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Title: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 06 June 2011, 22:46
Noticed it initially as i was driving home from work and tonight when i parked up, when i pull away in first feels a bit juddery and feels similar when i put it in reverse

just doesn't seem as smooth as it used to be?
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 07 June 2011, 12:40
Could this be the clutch going? Ill nbeed to check the service history which does go back to 91' to see if it has been changed but could this be a sign its going

other threads ive read could be something like the engine mounts?
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: mk2bal on 07 June 2011, 12:55
Could be anything really, juddering means something is moving..do u feel it through pedals, or seat, or dash or whole car etc?? Have a mate watch engine whilst you try to move off in 1st with h/brake on, if mounts are going you'll see movement. If you've got no mates rock the engine by hand-it shouldn't move
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 07 June 2011, 13:21
Could be anything really, juddering means something is moving..do u feel it through pedals, or seat, or dash or whole car etc?? Have a mate watch engine whilst you try to move off in 1st with h/brake on, if mounts are going you'll see movement. If you've got no mates rock the engine by hand-it shouldn't move

feels more liek the pedals and its only when your pulling away after that its fine, just seems like everythign that can go wrong is going wrong at the moment
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: mk2bal on 07 June 2011, 21:22
To be fair mines just started juddering slightly in 1st/reverse, when moving off, not noticeable at other times/speeds. I've just done an 02a conversion, using a new sachs vr6 clutch, so I think maybe the 2nd hand flywheel I used may have benefitted from a skim/reface.. I noticed it from the word go with the new box, and have checked everything else over a few times now, so am pretty sure its my fly. It could well be the clutch/fly in your case as well..? 
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: Sam on 08 June 2011, 00:21
Try going up hill and trying to pull in a higher gear, if it does the same thing its the clutch on its way out
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 08 June 2011, 08:45
Try going up hill and trying to pull in a higher gear, if it does the same thing its the clutch on its way out

so basically go up hill in 3rd or somehting and see what happens? I did get in cotnact with a mte who is a mechanic and he said If i supply the part he would charge £120 to fit it he did also mention to look at uprating the flywheel as well which wasnt a bad shout

I really hope its not the clutch as I need to replace my bloody exhaust as well
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: delirical on 08 June 2011, 14:18
I feel for you mate, glad mine is not a daily otherwise i can imagine i would be up to my eyeballs in repairs  :undecided:
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: SoundillusioN on 08 June 2011, 16:30
Try going up hill and trying to pull in a higher gear, if it does the same thing its the clutch on its way out

so basically go up hill in 3rd or somehting and see what happens? I did get in cotnact with a mte who is a mechanic and he said If i supply the part he would charge £120 to fit it he did also mention to look at uprating the flywheel as well which wasnt a bad shout

I really hope its not the clutch as I need to replace my bloody exhaust as well

Well i'd say pull of in second rather than 3rd.  Maybe try on a flat road first too.  How high is your biting point for the clutch?

Also when cruising in top gear, how far  do you have to put the clutch pedal down before it starts slipping?
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: mk2bal on 08 June 2011, 16:51
That will only indicate if friction plate is worn, not necessarily warped, unless that is another symptom when worn (juddery)? It could have a warped fly, and the clutch still be ok, not splitting hairs just saying its a possibility.. If its something that has progressed it most likely is the clutch rather than fly, but my clutch is brand new, so more likely the flywheel in my case...
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 08 June 2011, 16:52
well it doesnt seem too bad today, the bite point is not too high or low going to replace my oil temp sensor tomorrow when i get it from vw then once the oil light goes out ill give it a try ;)
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: SoundillusioN on 08 June 2011, 16:54
That will only indicate if friction plate is worn, not necessarily warped, unless that is another symptom when worn (juddery)? It could have a warped fly, and the clutch still be ok, not splitting hairs just saying its a possibility.. If its something that has progressed it most likely is the clutch rather than fly, but my clutch is brand new, so more likely the flywheel in my case...

No that's a fair point, I only butted in because I saw fecked clutch talk and pulling off up hills etc.

Well I hope for his sake it's neither of the above..... It's hard to tell what the juddering is when reading about it, might not even be the clutch...
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: mk2bal on 08 June 2011, 18:34
Yeah exactly we could be way off the mark.. Some problems just can't be diagnosed without seeing/ hearing them yourself, and sometimes people describe the symptoms all wrong, which leads to a poor diagnosis. Not saying matey has on this one, but I have read a few and thought 'how the hell do they expect an accurate answer to that?!' Fingers crossed its a bolt loose or a worn mount!
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 08 June 2011, 21:40
Yeah exactly we could be way off the mark.. Some problems just can't be diagnosed without seeing/ hearing them yourself, and sometimes people describe the symptoms all wrong, which leads to a poor diagnosis. Not saying matey has on this one, but I have read a few and thought 'how the hell do they expect an accurate answer to that?!' Fingers crossed its a bolt loose or a worn mount!

well the thing is its just passed an MOT with out any advisories  :sad:
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: Wayne on 08 June 2011, 23:46
Could be an engine mount in trouble  :smiley:
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 09 June 2011, 08:06
Could be an engine mount in trouble  :smiley:

hopefully its this, its hasnt been too bad the last couple of days but ill look into it  :smiley:
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 June 2011, 09:25
well the thing is its just passed an MOT with out any advisories  :sad:

The things we're talking about wouldn't get flagged on MOT advisories.  :wink:
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 June 2011, 10:57
Yeah exactly we could be way off the mark.. Some problems just can't be diagnosed without seeing/ hearing them yourself, and sometimes people describe the symptoms all wrong, which leads to a poor diagnosis. Not saying matey has on this one, but I have read a few and thought 'how the hell do they expect an accurate answer to that?!' Fingers crossed its a bolt loose or a worn mount!

well the thing is its just passed an MOT with out any advisories  :sad:

Well if it is clutch related and it wasn't juddering then, it wouldn't be picked up by Mr MOT man.  You can have quite a few things wrong with a car that isn't an issue for an MOT.  If your car is safe to be on a public road it doesn't mean that it won't run like a bag of sh*t (not saying yours does btw) ... Take my car for example!.. Since 2 hours after the MOT I was having issues, My exhaust failed big time yet it was fine during the MOT.  Car was spluttering to and from the test station and quite "juddery" at low speeds due to poor engine timing.  Still got me a ticket with no advisories.. something to think about.  We can all have a look at the weekend now can't we, i'm sure between us we'll figure out what's up with it.
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 09 June 2011, 11:09
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 June 2011, 11:14
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!

Because of the way this problem comes across i doubt it's a mount but deffo worth a look.  Whats up with your zorst?
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 09 June 2011, 13:31
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!

Because of the way this problem comes across i doubt it's a mount but deffo worth a look.  Whats up with your zorst?

its blowing from the centre section
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 June 2011, 13:46
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!

Because of the way this problem comes across i doubt it's a mount but deffo worth a look.  Whats up with your zorst?

its blowing from the centre section

Same as mine if its the manifold end..... well until I bodged it the other day.. It's the place that gets the most stress from engine movement. I'm getting it fixed though as the rest of the system is fine, fook replacing it, it's lasted what, nearly 30 years!  :grin:  IS it an OEM zorst or after market?
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: the_stink on 09 June 2011, 15:33
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!

Because of the way this problem comes across i doubt it's a mount but deffo worth a look.  Whats up with your zorst?

its blowing from the centre section

Same as mine if its the manifold end..... well until I bodged it the other day.. It's the place that gets the most stress from engine movement. I'm getting it fixed though as the rest of the system is fine, fook replacing it, it's lasted what, nearly 30 years!  :grin:  IS it an OEM zorst or after market?

looks like and aftermarket one, was looking at a custom infinity exhaust, a few people i know down this way have used them and have recomended them got quoted £270inc vat for a custom cat back exhaust, said it would take 2-3 hours to fabricate and fit

would of had enough if my mot wasnt so high! but we will see but again with this potential issuse (i hope its just me being paranoid) that may have to wait a month or 2
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 June 2011, 15:16
Talk to Beavis about pipes - he just got a custom system made for his Golf2.  Job was done up Yate somewhere.
Title: Re: 1st / reverse feels a bit juddery
Post by: jamrock on 11 June 2011, 00:21
well ill look at the engine mount first then if its not that well looks like more money is being spent, I need to get a new exhaust as well!

Because of the way this problem comes across i doubt it's a mount but deffo worth a look.  Whats up with your zorst?

its blowing from the centre section

Same as mine if its the manifold end..... well until I bodged it the other day.. It's the place that gets the most stress from engine movement. I'm getting it fixed though as the rest of the system is fine, fook replacing it, it's lasted what, nearly 30 years!  :grin:  IS it an OEM zorst or after market?

looks like and aftermarket one, was looking at a custom infinity exhaust, a few people i know down this way have used them and have recomended them got quoted £270inc vat for a custom cat back exhaust, said it would take 2-3 hours to fabricate and fit

would of had enough if my mot wasnt so high! but we will see but again with this potential issuse (i hope its just me being paranoid) that may have to wait a month or 2

did mk2's come with a cat??

i thought it would be a straight through system  :undecided: