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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Thom89 on 06 May 2011, 19:17
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So, yesterday I ordered an O/S front wing for a Mk2, while I was at it, I asked parts guy, what the stock situation was like for front wings, he checked and replied that there were around 5 of each side available... good news! and I would get mine the following morning, even better..
The wing arrived as promised, but interestingly the wing looked to be in a shinier primer, that they used to come in, wing was stamped with the usual VW/Audi logo, as it should be, and all the stickers on it were all in the latest VW font.
The wing itself, has a few production marks, that you would associate with very worn tooling, and the closing panel attached to the rear of the wing looked like it had been spot welded by hand, rather than machine, this is a good thing as that panel on earlier pressings was in the wrong place, and caused problems when fitting, achieving a correct door gap, the wing will still need a fair amount of work, to suit my needs, but is perfectly adequate to put straight into service..
I'm sure this wing is new, new stock, and not new, old stock, which means that it looks like VW are still producing these parts...
So absolutely no excuse to fit poor quality, pattern parts, and as long as there is a demand for these panels, hopefully VW will carry on making them :cool: :cool:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/ffd07a65.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/6393b154.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/5da5d553.jpg)
Thom
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how much?!?!? :smiley:
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Didn't see the invoice tbh, but I think just under a hundred, will check tomorrow.
Thom
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Not bad might get me a set
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just under a hundred for both or each?
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That's each...
Thom
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I hope they continue selling old parts.
Strictly genuine panels and genuine bumpers ftw
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That's each...
Thom
two thirds of what I bought my beater for :grin:
But good to know if I ever have a car that it's worthwhile putting OEM ones on
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Good to see they are still making panels. :cool:
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I hope they continue selling old parts.
Strictly genuine panels and genuine bumpers ftw
Fcuk off!
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I hope they continue selling old parts.
Strictly genuine panels and genuine bumpers ftw
stuck record :grin: :tongue:
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I have a wing on my car from KGB in bristol, non genuine and its spot on. Once all the old sealant was removed from the shell it fitted perfectly..... Just had a dent from transport :rolleyes:. It can be pot luck with non gen parts.
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There is an article In this months golf+ that says vw heritage/bigboys toys have recently done a deal with vw Wolfsburg which enables them access to the giant warehouse vw have FULL of genuine parts and it states that also in this warehouse is all of the original tooling which they also now have access to
This is surley evidence that vw is committed to keeping our mk1-mk2's etc alive and kicking :cool:
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There is an article In this months golf+ that says vw heritage/bigboys toys have recently done a deal with vw Wolfsburg which enables them access to the giant warehouse vw have FULL of genuine parts and it states that also in this warehouse is all of the original tooling which they also now have access to
This is surley evidence that vw is committed to keeping our mk1-mk2's etc alive and kicking :cool:
If its true, then that is fantastic news, cant comment on the Golf+ article, though I'll try to get a copy tomorrow :cool:
One of the reasons that I started this thread, was because VW are very aware of how important their older products are to people, and probably at the time of mk2 being dropped from production, weren't aware, like any of us, that the water cooled cars, would in the future, have such a wide following, not just in the UK, or Europe, but worldwide.
Thom
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Very interesting read that in Golf+ :afro:
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Very interesting read that in Golf+ :afro:
Evening John! yeah would be great if more genuine panels were available, most important bit would be the "Body Side Assembly" for a 3 door, just that panel alone would cover the rear 1/4 A and B post and sill. all in one assembly, or chopped into smaller sections to keep the price down, cars also taking quite a hard side swipe could also be easily repaired...
Thom
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That'd be excellent. Would save a fair few from the heap.
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how much?!?!? :smiley:
Checked today, price was £98+vat iirc this is about £10 more than when I bought mine around 6 years ago, so still value for money in my opinion.
Thom
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Got a bargain when I got mine then, £50 for two! :smug:
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Got a bargain when I got mine then, £50 for two! :smug:
Nice one Lewy :wink:
Thom
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are the G60 arches much more expensive to buy new ??
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Not too sure if they are available new, but I should think they were a tad more pricey due to the rarity of the car.
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are the G60 arches much more expensive to buy new ??
You mean arch trim or wing?
I have a new G60 wing which was one of the last and apparently the other side has been unavailable or some time
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Hmm, might need to track down this Golf+ anyone know exactly what parts will be available through VW Heritage?
I have 2x new G60 front wings, but I wouldn't mind some other bits of trim, like OEM roof / rain gutter mouldings and the textured sticker for the tailgate around the back window.
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Nah, it's a bit vague at the moment, early days I think.
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The textured decal is available from VW classic parts, and www.volkswagenstickers.co.uk.
The gutters are a different story.......
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Aren't G60 wings identical to standard Mk2 wings... just modified by having part of the arch cut away?
Thom
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yeah, and iirc no ariel hole?
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Aren't G60 wings identical to standard Mk2 wings... just modified by having part of the arch cut away?
Thom
And have 2 rectangular slots cut into the top to hold the arch on.
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which work reeeeeeaally well.
Not!
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So, fitted the said wing today, and it has to be said that fitment is superb, probably due to the closing panel at the rear of the wing now being positioned in the correct place (See my first post for explanation) the important thing is that the wing can be fitted without having to force anything into submission, the panel itself though will require plenty of work to get perfectly straight, and ripple free, but thats a different story
This first pic shows the upper swage line close to where the flasher repeater fits, note how the swage has lost its definiton, compared to the swage on the door, this is due to worn out tooling in the factory, god knows how many millions of these things were stamped out!
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/10be1b03.jpg)
2nd pic shows the wing fitted (not permanently) and an even gap top to bottom, top swage lines up nicely, but the lower one appears to be out of line by a couple of mm, this is because the wing has a very slight bow to it down the rear edge, placing the wing on the floor, and gently applying a little pressure to the panel will sort this out. Also notice that the reflection of the florescent light runs through the door, and carries on in the same direction as it passes through the wing, thats something you rarely get when fitting pattern parts
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/6e94e3d7.jpg)
When the wing get its final fit, the car will be sitting on it wheels on a level floor, with the strut brace slackened off, just to make sure that the shell is under no stress whatsoever...
Thom
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:nerd:
that's all right now.
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That looks really good mate.. Have you had to trim much off of that wing to get it how it sits at the moment ??
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I just picked up a genuine door and 2 wings for 20 quid, :cool:
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That looks really good mate.. Have you had to trim much off of that wing to get it how it sits at the moment ??
I've trimmed nothing off it... interestingly though, the OE wing that the car came out the factory with, didn't fit the way it should have,
because the closing panel was welded in the wrong place, the car itself is a very late model, and pretty much all the existing panels are showing the telltale signs of worn tooling
Will be doing a build thread on this in a month or so, with the owners permission :lipsrsealed:
Thom
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Well i want to buy 2 new front wings for mine.. but... I dont like the fact the swage lines are more rounded.. they are very noticeable in them pics is it that bad in real life ??
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Well i want to buy 2 new front wings for mine.. but... I dont like the fact the swage lines are more rounded.. they are very noticeable in them pics is it that bad in real life ??
That top pic was taken VERY close, and door gap looks wide, in fact its a little over the width of a pound coin! the wing that this new wing is replacing, was, as I've already said, the OE factory fit wing, that also is displaying the same rounded swages, and extra radius to the rear edge, a little careful hammer and dolly work will soon have this literally better than new, I must emphasise though that these wings are miles better than any pattern part you could ever buy, but, I'm quite fussy about how I like things to fit.
These wings could be given 4/5 coats of Hi build primer, block sanded, fitted and painted with no problem they're that good :cool:
Thom
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Thanks for that info Thom will have to get a couple of wings when moneys a bit better.. I can fit G60 arch covers for a standard wing fine cant i ?? Sorry for 21 questions lol :smiley:
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Thanks for that info Thom will have to get a couple of wings when moneys a bit better.. I can fit G60 arch covers for a standard wing fine cant i ?? Sorry for 21 questions lol :smiley:
I'm sure you can fit G60 arches as discussed elsewhere in this thread, could do with someone putting up some pics for reference of some genuine G60 wings.... anyone?
Thom
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Fitment looks good, but like you said...the swage ! wow.
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Thanks for that info Thom will have to get a couple of wings when moneys a bit better.. I can fit G60 arch covers for a standard wing fine cant i ?? Sorry for 21 questions lol :smiley:
I'm sure you can fit G60 arches as discussed elsewhere in this thread, could do with someone putting up some pics for reference of some genuine G60 wings.... anyone?
Thom
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5215M.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5217M.jpg)
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ooohh when did you buy them ??
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Oh I know all about worn tooling. I used to drive minis!
The front subframe on my wifes 1996 mini had a total of 17 shims in it to get to line up straight and true FROM THE FACTORY! Had a nightmare fitting that thing back in after an engine swap I can tell you.
Nick
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Thanks for that info Thom will have to get a couple of wings when moneys a bit better.. I can fit G60 arch covers for a standard wing fine cant i ?? Sorry for 21 questions lol :smiley:
I'm sure you can fit G60 arches as discussed elsewhere in this thread, could do with someone putting up some pics for reference of some genuine G60 wings.... anyone?
Thom
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5215M.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5217M.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5213M.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/aquablue27/My%20car%20thread%20pics/IMG_5214M.jpg)
Thanks :wink:
Interesting, no flasher repeater holes?
Thom
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Thom
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I hope they continue selling old parts.
Strictly genuine panels and genuine bumpers ftw
Here Here.
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ooohh when did you buy them ??
Nearly 3 years ago, although I bought 2 of the last 3 Drivers side ones last July-one used on my car after a stupid woman drove through a red light into me!
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Thom
Thom,
Nice to see you have picked up my mantle of being a "VAG Parts Snob".
When I bought my car and took it to a body shop the first thing the guy said that wing is a patten one... To me at the time I didn't know any better til he pointed out a number of things that are wrong with them...
The panels don't fit like your pictures without a massive amount of work - which most body shops won't do (My son had a patten one fitted as VW had sold out at the time - and it was shocking do he took it back and it came back better but not brilliant).
It's not just the swage lines that show up on patten wings its around the front too - Patten ones just don't have the sharp angles or the nicely rolled finish where the fold over... I know its anal but I did notice a massive difference between what was fitted when I bought the car to what it has on now.
I know to some peeps it makes not one bit of difference but for a few quid - to me the anal one it don't seem worth wasting the money on patten parts, unless there is no choice...
And to think I have been slagged off by certain peeps on here for sticking to my OEM parts that are sprinkled with "VW Fairy Dust" - I don't see them making much noise on this thread....
For ME OEM all the way (Well Most of the time!!)
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If it's reasonable price then OEM all the way. But if there is something that does job just as well and is half the price then there is no point in spending money for the sake of it.
I've forked out for OEM waterpump tensioner etc from the dealer. Having said that, my local VW parts guy is a total c0ckhead and has the attitude of why don't you buy a new Golf? :rolleyes:
Do get pissed off with people jacking up the prices and making people who don't make a lot of money struggle to get parts for the old vw's.
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G60 Wings...
I've just had an email from BBT or now "VW heritage Watercooled" saying that the 021D has just been re-made by VW Classic parts in Germany....
(http://www.etkashop.com/vwcp/marktpics/markt_marktid112/shopsystemid1/stage2/rev265/zoom/191_821_021_d_kotfluegel.jpg)
167.20 Euro - OUCH!!
Wings not much use without the arches...IMO
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G60 Wings...
I've just had an email from BBT or now "VW heritage Watercooled" saying that the 021D has just been re-made by VW Classic parts in Germany....
(http://www.etkashop.com/vwcp/marktpics/markt_marktid112/shopsystemid1/stage2/rev265/zoom/191_821_021_d_kotfluegel.jpg)
167.20 Euro - OUCH!!
Wings not much use without the arches...IMO
So did the G60/ 16v not have side repeaters from the factory if there aren't any holes for them? Though all 90spec cars had them and it was only really early cars that had badges?
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I think only USA version cars didn't have indicators... I guess you have to drill your own holes...
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I think only USA version cars didn't have indicators... I guess you have to drill your own holes...
For that price I would expect them to fit themselves.
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Does seem a big difference between the standard ones and the G60 ones... Just for a couple of slots...
So it's not just Ebay that pumps up the price!!
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It seems that the G60 items are expensive for what they are! 167.00 Euros = 146.36 British pounds sterling + the dreaded VAT I'm sure, compared to the £98 + Vat for the standard wing... However a couple of points, If you were putting back together a Pukka G60, on a nut and bolt rebuild, then I at least would want the invoice showing the G60 wings part No's as part of the cars provenance, which I believe in the near future, will become more and more important on Mk2s...
My 2nd point about the price, to have a body shop modify a standard OE wing, to G60 spec could cost easily 1hr+ each wing, and end up nearly being on par with the G60 items, horses for courses really
For anyone wanting OE wings, but to G60 spec, but not bothered about the paperwork, then yes, go for the OE items and modify to G60 spec... looks easy enough :wink:
Thom
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Maybe someone with new G60 wings could put the size place and dimensions of the slot then someone like me could just dremel the 2 slots ?? Would be an easier option IMO..
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Have the G60 wings got a wider arch to go with the wider spats?
Nick
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Have the G60 wings got a wider arch to go with the wider spats?
Nick
I was wondering that too.... It "looks" wider like a rolled arch...
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I'm sure its the same pressing, just been trimmed... the original standard wing comes with the flasher repeater hole punched, but also interestingly, the holes for the standard GTI rub strip are marked with a dot punch, (leaving the body shop to drill the holes) but not punched out. But by the looks of it, the G60 version has the holes punched, to receive the clip that locates in the "rub strip" part of the wheel arch, so Im guessing now, but I would say that the dot punch marks that are on a standard GTI wing are actually there for the benefit of the factory to produce G60 wings?
Either way, both wings are in production :cool: :cool:
Thom
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Maybe someone with new G60 wings could put the size place and dimensions of the slot then someone like me could just dremel the 2 slots ?? Would be an easier option IMO..
It's not just the 2 slots, it's the stepped-up bit in the middle too. To be honest unless you are very patient and very good with metal/very accurate you might as buy the G60 ones as if you get it wrong thats quite costly messing up some new genuine standard wings. What it would cost a garage to do that would bring it to around the same price as a G60 wing (and that's if they do it right!), so you might as well buy the genuine thing that doesn't need any work doing on it!
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Have the G60 wings got a wider arch to go with the wider spats?
Nick
No, just the same.
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Sod fannying around with g60 items, and cutting holes, leave the wing complete with no holes and snap the plastic lug off the arch, then rivet the arch. Jesus christ, dremelling the wing- whatever next?! I might remove my rear g60's, plastic weld a lug onto them, then dremel my rear quarter to accept the lug. Yeah that's a good idea what do you reckon??!!!
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Sod fannying around with g60 items, and cutting holes, leave the wing complete with no holes and snap the plastic lug off the arch, then rivet the arch. Jesus christ, dremelling the wing- whatever next?! I might remove my rear g60's, plastic weld a lug onto them, then dremel my rear quarter to accept the lug. Yeah that's a good idea what do you reckon??!!!
Why not just tigerseal it you pikey b*stard! :grin: You're ruining a standard item anyway :tongue:
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Sod fannying around with g60 items, and cutting holes, leave the wing complete with no holes and snap the plastic lug off the arch, then rivet the arch. Jesus christ, dremelling the wing- whatever next?! I might remove my rear g60's, plastic weld a lug onto them, then dremel my rear quarter to accept the lug. Yeah that's a good idea what do you reckon??!!!
Why not just tigerseal it you pikey b*stard! :grin: You're ruining a standard item anyway :tongue:
Self tappers FTW
Thom
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Hey-o did somone say Tech screw!?
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Nah araldite is the best way, so much that it never comes off and if it does it takes paint with it. Brilliant stuff araldite, its what's holding the rest of my bodykit on, including the 8ft aerofoil wing out back!! And my fast n furious side decals aint never coming off thanks to the 'dite
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Nah araldite is the best way, so much that it never comes off and if it does it takes paint with it. Brilliant stuff araldite, its what's holding the rest of my bodykit on, including the 8ft aerofoil wing out back!! And my fast n furious side decals aint never coming off thanks to the 'dite
Atleast no one could say the mk2 section doesnt have a sense of humour :grin: :grin:
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If you are going to use araldite I suggest you prep and leave both surfaces with brake fluid for 24 hours to ensure a clean bond.
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Nah I prefer cv joint grease as a sort of 'keying' primer.. Whilst were on the topic, I'm after some 3 spoke alloys to fit under my rudeboy wheel arches if anyone knows?? Also some sort of badboy bonnet would be awesome, the more/bigger the vents the better really.. I'm even feeling a turbo whistler exhaust attachment and an electronic dump valve on the cards soon... What do you guys think??
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Nah I prefer cv joint grease as a sort of 'keying' primer.. Whilst were on the topic, I'm after some 3 spoke alloys to fit under my rudeboy wheel arches if anyone knows?? Also some sort of badboy bonnet would be awesome, the more/bigger the vents the better really.. I'm even feeling a turbo whistler exhaust attachment and an electronic dump valve on the cards soon... What do you guys think??
Have you considered upping the ante with an electronic supercharger?
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I have read alot about those electric superchargers, I recon Im gonna convert from Turbo 16v to Electric 16v.
Somthing like this, listen to her wine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIXHvlmLux0
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Sounds like "putting some shelves up"
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:undecided: :undecided: :evil: :evil: :wink:
Thom
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Good seeing you tonight Sat, the Golfs looked great on the car park together as the sun went down, James took loads of pics, and no doubt some of your car, I'll see if i can post some up tomorrow
Back on topic, I will soon be posting some pics of the new wing fitted
Thom
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I love research - see below regarding the differentials between the standard and G60 item..
Standard Wing Part No: 191 821 021E
Edition 1's with chassis number upto F >>1G-LW400-000* = Part No: 191 821 021E (ETKA note: adapt with workshop equipment)
G60, Edition 1 & Blue Edition chassis number from 1G-LW400-001>>* = Part No: 191 821 021D
Standard wheel housing liner Part No: 191 809 961G
G60, Edition 1 & Blue Edition wheel housing liner (Chassis number from 1G-LW400-001>>*) Part No: 191 809 961B
So by reading and looking at all of that, the early G60/Edition 1's must have just been fitted with modified standard wings, until such a point that dedicated tooling was made available to press out the G60 specific items.
PS. No side repeater holes on the dedicated G60 wing either as those special models wore a badge instead and I am assuming for standard wings that were modified must have the badge just covering the side repeater holes.
*Also please note the above parts numbers are for the left hand side, if you +1 on the very last digit of each part number, this will give the part numbers for right hand side.
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Thats very good info above.. and it does show you must be easily able to mod a standard wing as VW did it..
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There is an article In this months golf+ that says vw heritage/bigboys toys have recently done a deal with vw Wolfsburg which enables them access to the giant warehouse vw have FULL of genuine parts and it states that also in this warehouse is all of the original tooling which they also now have access to
This is surley evidence that vw is committed to keeping our mk1-mk2's etc alive and kicking :cool:
If its true, then that is fantastic news, cant comment on the Golf+ article, though I'll try to get a copy tomorrow :cool:
One of the reasons that I started this thread, was because VW are very aware of how important their older products are to people, and probably at the time of mk2 being dropped from production, weren't aware, like any of us, that the water cooled cars, would in the future, have such a wide following, not just in the UK, or Europe, but worldwide.
Thom
I hope this is true as VW promotes with the mk1 GTI and mk2 GTI yet does not help us out with support of parts. I would love to do a nut and bolt restore on the mk2 and another mk1 but the supply of genuine quality body panels is not great. I found it easier to source 50s british car stuff than 80/90s VW which is just mad.
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There is an article In this months golf+ that says vw heritage/bigboys toys have recently done a deal with vw Wolfsburg which enables them access to the giant warehouse vw have FULL of genuine parts and it states that also in this warehouse is all of the original tooling which they also now have access to
This is surley evidence that vw is committed to keeping our mk1-mk2's etc alive and kicking :cool:
If its true, then that is fantastic news, cant comment on the Golf+ article, though I'll try to get a copy tomorrow :cool:
One of the reasons that I started this thread, was because VW are very aware of how important their older products are to people, and probably at the time of mk2 being dropped from production, weren't aware, like any of us, that the water cooled cars, would in the future, have such a wide following, not just in the UK, or Europe, but worldwide.
Thom
I hope this is true as VW promotes with the mk1 GTI and mk2 GTI yet does not help us out with support of parts. I would love to do a nut and bolt restore on the mk2 and another mk1 but the supply of genuine quality body panels is not great. I found it easier to source 50s british car stuff than 80/90s VW which is just mad.
This is True with all VAG cars.. I have an Audi S2 1993 & parts are very hard to get and then cost the earth...
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So, back on track with the Restoration, new O/S wing was finally fitted some time ago, aligned very carefully with the bare door shell, that was weighted to duplicate the weight of the glass and inner gubbings etc, and then locked into place, using the O/E spire bolts, that had been cleaned of loose paint etc.
The wing itself dropped into place a treat, with very minimal tweaking. The panel did, as previously discussed, need some very minor filler work, to get it 100% straight, and ripple free. The body shell is now totally painted, and polished, doors will be re fitted next week, so you'll just have to wait for the pics :evil:
Thom
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Can't wait to see this. Tom you are one of the best at bodywork. Tom Foose/ Tom Coddington of the UK :cool:
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Look forward to seeing the fruits of your labour Thom. :nerd:
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Couple of teaser pics for you, this wing was dragged back into shape with a Body Rasp, making it tight as a drum, pulling out all the factory production imperfections, the filler is largely to fill the score marks, made by the Rasp! worn tooling is responsible for the "high spots" in the top section to the left hand side of the wing, by no means bad, but there all the same...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/cff4a5b3.jpg)
Door was given the same treatment as the wing, both were rubbed down in unison, to ensure that after paint, any reflections would carry straight through the side of the car, without any deviation...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/thom62/a2bfb47f.jpg)
Thanks for the compliments chaps. Satty, I love you :grin:
Thom
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Can't wait to see this. Tom you are one of the best at bodywork. Tom Foose/ Tom Coddington of the UK :cool:
Chip Langton sounds better. :wink: