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General => General discussion => Topic started by: stainesy on 26 April 2011, 11:20
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Ok my brother has a mk4 golf V6 4motion and a mk1 convertible.
Me him and his mechanic mate has decided to try a conversion. Running gear engine the lot.
He has asked me to ask you guys has this been done before buy any of you guys?
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Getting the 24v lump in a mk1 bay will require some chopping, and the floor pan will need replacing due to running gear.
Try VWvortex for any info, because in the years I've been on here, I've never seen anyone attempt it.
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Yeah we bo there will be a lot off chopping involved. We are up for the challenge.
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Powernut put a turbo 2.8/3.2 in his mk1 caddy with all the 4wd system. Take a look for his threads.
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Will need a lot of costom parts unless you plan on having some wide arches.
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Good thing about Mk1's is that chrome can actually look good. :tongue:
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9656/79615074cd8.jpg)
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Good thing about Mk1's is that chrome can actually look good. :tongue:
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9656/79615074cd8.jpg)
What is that? Think I'm in love
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Mk1 R32 twin turbo 4WD build thread (http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11983)
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Mk1 R32 twin turbo 4WD build thread (http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11983)
that's possibly the best build thread ever!
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hope you and your mate can weld lol
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Major ballache with the DVLA in getting on the road even if you did manage to do it.
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At the moment we are deciding what to do. It aint my cars so I'm just getting involved as its my brother and would be cool to work on a project like that. He wants to do something insane with oldschool golf. And he already has a 4 motion and a mk1 caby so we are looking into what to do and what's involved. His mate has done a few mad builds in the past already.
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Have a look at the "wheels are too big" thread in this section.
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It would be quite cool, but a V6 in a Mk1 is a bit of a heavy choice.
If you've already got it though, may as well!
What's wrong with the Mk4?
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It would be quite cool, but a V6 in a Mk1 is a bit of a heavy choice.
If you've already got it though, may as well!
What's wrong with the Mk4?
its a mk4.. :grin:
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Nah, I agree.. Mk4s are cack.
But why rip apart a working car when you could sell it, buy a sensible, cheap run around while the conversion is taking place and get a decent donor car which has been written off?
There's a guy on here called gl48lee who is trying to shift an AGU engine, box, dash, ECU, turbo, intercooler... the lot.
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He can't stand the mk4 but like the power and handling if u no what I mean. He got other cars so he just wants a mad project to do.
He don't mind buying a car to convert ither. Would the conversion be easyer on a mk2 golf as its bigger?
We are looking at making a wicked oldschool car out of his 4motion and an old golf.
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personally that engine would be crap in a mk1.. better off putting a 4wd 1.8t lump in.. atleast it will be f**king fast and handle really well.. the v6 will just veer off into a ditch lol get a written off S3 and just drop everything and scrap the shell..
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What he said ^^ that's what I meant by heavy choice.
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Much easier if you start with a Syncro
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syncro is 5dr only which can be off putting in a project
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Yeah... do a DH, drop an ABF into a syncro, job done.
If want to be more adventurous a TFSI or similar into a Mk1 with AWD would be epic.
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'I want a mad project'
'Why not drop an ABF into a syncro'
:huh:
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personally that engine would be crap in a mk1.. better off putting a 4wd 1.8t lump in.. atleast it will be f**king fast and handle really well.. the v6 will just veer off into a ditch lol get a written off S3 and just drop everything and scrap the shell..
how much heavier is the v6 engine?
stainesy - do it :afro:
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4929794-MK1-Golf-Four-Wheel-Drive-with-MK5-R32-Turbo-Lump-%28Under-Construction%29
Exactly what you want to do just with a 3.2 instead of 2.8
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personally that engine would be crap in a mk1.. better off putting a 4wd 1.8t lump in.. atleast it will be f**king fast and handle really well.. the v6 will just veer off into a ditch lol get a written off S3 and just drop everything and scrap the shell..
how much heavier is the v6 engine?
stainesy - do it :afro:
Dont think there is major difference in weight but a highly tuned 1.8t would be a lot better.. the v6 in the mk4 is a pretty lousey engine with next to no tuning potential unless your going supercharged or turbo charged which would be bloody expensive for litte gains.. 1.8t is already good for 290bhp which the right setup and parts are fruitfull.. Its just my opinion :smiley:
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personally that engine would be crap in a mk1.. better off putting a 4wd 1.8t lump in.. atleast it will be f**king fast and handle really well.. the v6 will just veer off into a ditch lol get a written off S3 and just drop everything and scrap the shell..
how much heavier is the v6 engine?
stainesy - do it :afro:
Dont think there is major difference in weight but a highly tuned 1.8t would be a lot better.. the v6 in the mk4 is a pretty lousey engine with next to no tuning potential unless your going supercharged or turbo charged which would be bloody expensive for litte gains.. 1.8t is already good for 290bhp which the right setup and parts are fruitfull.. Its just my opinion :smiley:
except to go over that 290bhp on a 1.8t will require a better turbo, rods, pistons yadda yadda yadda. which will cost pretty much the same as a turbo, rods, pistonhs yadda yadda on a vr6. Except the vr6 will see much bigger gains. Theres no replacement for displacement.
i also fail to see how the vr6 motor is anymore likely to veer off into a ditch than the 1.8T :huh:
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except to go over that 290bhp on a 1.8t will require a better turbo, rods, pistons yadda yadda yadda. which will cost pretty much the same as a turbo, rods, pistonhs yadda yadda on a vr6. Except the vr6 will see much bigger gains. Theres no replacement for displacement.
i also fail to see how the vr6 motor is anymore likely to veer off into a ditch than the 1.8T :huh:
Beat me to it.
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I would back the 1.8T 4WD option. I have just never seen the point in VR's, just thirsty and make a nice sound. Surely with standard rods you can take the 1.8t to near enough 300 on the nose with good mapping on a KO4 with the trimmings (intercooler etc)? Anyhow, moving back on topic. Would be an awesome project to undertake, if you feel you and your mates have the talent to pull it off just go for it!
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I would back the 1.8T 4WD option. I have just never seen the point in VR's, just thirsty and make a nice sound. Surely with standard rods you can take the 1.8t to near enough 300 on the nose with good mapping on a KO4 with the trimmings (intercooler etc)? Anyhow, moving back on topic. Would be an awesome project to undertake, if you feel you and your mates have the talent to pull it off just go for it!
my bro and his mate have the tallent. i will be helping out with my kinda good knoledge of cars and i will be doing the custom airbrush work with a mate of mine when what ever they do is done.
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Dont think there is major difference in weight but a highly tuned 1.8t would be a lot better.. the v6 in the mk4 is a pretty lousey engine with next to no tuning potential unless your going supercharged or turbo charged which would be bloody expensive for litte gains.. 1.8t is already good for 290bhp which the right setup and parts are fruitfull.. Its just my opinion :smiley:
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My mate has a 4mo turboed and its kicking out near 400bhp so how can u say little gains it may be expensive but the 4mo with money is a weapon!
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Whatever you do combining the Golf1 and Golf4 4WD floorpan, as already said you're going to have to do a lot of work at the DVLA convincing them to give it a registration mark. What you're proposing will fail hard on the points system.
Syncros aren't 5-door only BTW.
Plenty of 3-door LHD ones around on the continent. LHD-RHD conversion will be a walk in the park in comparison to the rest of this little jaunt.
I would suggest that a Golf2 shell (especially a high-tunnel one) would put up with the power a lot better than a Golf1, especially a cabrio. For a start you're going to have to fabricate up mounts for the front subframe, which will be there on the G2 frame. You can also nail the Golf4 transmission under the Golf2 without completely cutting out and reinstating the floorpan. This is important because it means you'll avoid all the hassle with the DVLA, which is going to be a nightmare to get this on the road. I would suggest on a Golf1 you will only score a Q-plate. On a Golf2 frame you might be able to hold on to the original registration.
Hope your mate's got deep pockets, because what you're suggesting (or what I've put forward) is going to need them.
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This is mine.
http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=352978&hl=16v%20turbo&st=0
Got to do it on a hard to mark one :smiley:
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If your going to do it, do it properly with either a spaceframe chassis like the Z-cars mini's or a backbone chassis like the TVR golf and hang the body on it in a non-structural manner.