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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: lowdown on 07 November 2010, 21:32
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I went for a test drive yesterday in a DSG (not my first time) So whats the best way to "do it" ? Paddle it. Auto it? Stick shift it?
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I went for a test drive yesterday in a DSG (not my first time) So whats the best way to "do it" ? Paddle it. Auto it? Stick shift it?
There are quite a few members with just on leg. The right one.
Presumably you've still got both.
I suggest use them both whilst you can! :smiley:
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DSG is brilliant because it's so versatile , you can do anything with that box!! I use all the above depending on what mood I'm in (mostly paddles) but I do stick shift also. :drool:
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DSG is brilliant because it's so versatile , you can do anything with that box!! I use all the above depending on what mood I'm in (mostly paddles) but I do stick shift also. :drool:
:grin:
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am1w- I assume you are telling me to stay with a manual box. :rolleyes:
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am1w- I assume you are telling me to stay with a manual box. :rolleyes:
On a Golf R, I would go with the DSG, 100%.
It also suits the GTD very well.
I am split 50/50 between manual and DSG on a GTi.
I chose the manual as: (a) it was £1330 cheaper and (b) I am more used to manual gearboxes and like the greater control over the car.
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"Paddle it" everywhere except in slow traffic, then its back to D.
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am1w- I assume you are telling me to stay with a manual box. :rolleyes:
On a Golf R, I would go with the DSG, 100%.
It also suits the GTD very well.
I am split 50/50 between manual and DSG on a GTi.
I chose the manual as: (a) it was £1330 cheaper and (b) I am more used to manual gearboxes and like the greater control over the car.
No wonder you have a stiff neck Asker with that left leg of your's up and down :grin:
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No wonder you have a stiff neck Asker with that left leg of your's up and down :grin:
Steve, it's more like in and out rather than up and down! :grin:
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I like a bit of the old in out :laugh:
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am1w- I assume you are telling me to stay with a manual box. :rolleyes:
On a Golf R, I would go with the DSG, 100%.
It also suits the GTD very well.
I am split 50/50 between manual and DSG on a GTi.
I chose the manual as: (a) it was £1330 cheaper and (b) I am more used to manual gearboxes and like the greater control over the car.
Why DSG in the R?
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am1w- I assume you are telling me to stay with a manual box. :rolleyes:
On a Golf R, I would go with the DSG, 100%.
It also suits the GTD very well.
I am split 50/50 between manual and DSG on a GTi.
I chose the manual as: (a) it was £1330 cheaper and (b) I am more used to manual gearboxes and like the greater control over the car.
Why DSG in the R?
Here's a pretty good reason :smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1GeE2MXHE
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Here's a pretty good reason :smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1GeE2MXHE
this clip has come up before. its not a very well carried out test. how does he expect to get VW quoted figures when the test is in the wet?? :huh:
not to mention factor such as tyres, fuel load, that fatty sat in the driving seat. :lipsrsealed:
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Exactly... What the car really needs, mid pull away, is a redip of the clutch for just a split second and you are off like a scalded cat. He doesn't know how to get best out of it clearly. 4wd and getaways are a tricky art. I remember seeing the same thing on top gear and when stiggy got hold of the 4wd car he got it off the line and beat clarkson, even though clarkson had won in the previous car.... It's how u drive em...
And to boot even if you did beat me and my manual off the line I'd have your DSG round the first corner.... :wink:
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not to mention every one of those pull-aways sounded gay and the car looked like it was being pushed not driven. :lipsrsealed:
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not to mention every one of those pull-aways sounded gay and the car looked like it was being pushed not driven. :lipsrsealed:
Don't you mean ghay? :rolleyes:
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Always had DSG VW's, always will :wink:
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Always had DSG VW's, always will :wink:
+1 all the way :cool:
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I couldn't better 6.6 in my S3 in the wet (although it was hammering it down still)
Not had to chance for a dry run and still can't launch quattro very well :embarassed:
http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html (http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html)
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I couldn't better 6.6 in my S3 in the wet (although it was hammering it down still)
Not had to chance for a dry run and still can't launch quattro very well :embarassed:
http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html (http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html)
Are you manual or DSG??
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I couldn't better 6.6 in my S3 in the wet (although it was hammering it down still)
Not had to chance for a dry run and still can't launch quattro very well :embarassed:
http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html (http://www.dynolicious.com/results/c965718954ecb4ca235f3be795349ed1.html)
Are you manual or DSG??
looking at the graph i would say manual :nerd:
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I am split 50/50 between manual and DSG on a GTi.
I chose the manual as: (a) it was £1330 cheaper and (b) I am more used to manual gearboxes and like the greater control over the car.
I agree. If I had to order my GTI all over again, I would probably go with the manual. The DSG is good, but not nearly as good as everyone - including the press - says. BMW's proper 8-speed auto box on the new 5 Series, for example, is light years ahead.
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Always had DSG VW's, always will :wink:
+1 all the way :cool:
+1 too, been driving with DSG for the last six years and can't see me ever going back.
Simulated "AUTO" modes are good for the rush hour traffic, manual mode good for the twisties. :evil:
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As mentioned previously DSG is nothing new. Just clever marketing.
Autos have been around since the 50s and are a favourite of drivers in the U.S of A. :lipsrsealed:
Less of the 'keep up with the times' nonsense please.
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Yes but those are Automatic gearboxes with a torque convertor.
DSG is a manual gearbox with an automatic clutch, completely different technology
The only thing in common is you don't have a clutch pedal.
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Only difference is its a much faster and slicker change. Still Automatic.
As for 'manual mode' Automatics have always had this using the gear lever. R - P -D -1-2-3-4-5 etc.
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Always had DSG VW's, always will :wink:
Never had an Automatic. Never will. :wink:
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Only difference is its a much faster and slicker change. Still Automatic.
As for 'manual mode' Automatics have always had this using the gear lever. R - P -D -1-2-3-4-5 etc.
Nope, two clutches and requires the driver to change gear. An auto will not even slightly hold a gear for you and changes instantly.
I'd ring up Ferrari, Porsche and bugatti and let them know there thousands of pounds investment is years old.
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It's still an Automatic.
Fast change -yes. Slick - yes.
Driver choice and anticipation - no.
Yes, you can manually change, but what's new - Automatics have always allowed 'manual' gear change.
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It's still an Automatic.
Fast change -yes. Slick - yes.
Driver choice and anticipation - no.
Yes, you can manually change, but what's new - Automatics have always allowed 'manual' gear change.
Driver choice and anticipation - no.
^^ wrong my friend upto you with DSG that's what the paddles are for :smug:
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1973 Automatic BL Mini Clubman.
I could select 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc whenever I wanted and it would stay in that gear.
OK no paddles but still the same. Just quicker.
Don't get it.
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It's still an Automatic.
Fast change -yes. Slick - yes.
Driver choice and anticipation - no.
Yes, you can manually change, but what's new - Automatics have always allowed 'manual' gear change.
Have you tried it?
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
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Yes. In a 1.4 TSi Golf.
Fast changing, smooth and refined.
But still an Automatic.
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
Go back? What, to the 1970s?? :huh:
Autos are nothing new, DSG is simply VWs name for their new Auto box.
VW Golf GTI Automatic wouldn't sound so good would it. :wink:
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
Go back? What, to the 1970s?? :huh:
Autos are nothing new, DSG is simply VWs name for their new Auto box.
VW Golf GTI Automatic wouldn't sound so good would it. :wink:
I give up :grin:
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
Go back? What, to the 1970s?? :huh:
Autos are nothing new, DSG is simply VWs name for their new Auto box.
VW Golf GTI Automatic wouldn't sound so good would it. :wink:
You clearly have not tried it and are just trolling.
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Ignorance is bliss I guess :rolleyes:
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
Go back? What, to the 1970s?? :huh:
Autos are nothing new, DSG is simply VWs name for their new Auto box.
VW Golf GTI Automatic wouldn't sound so good would it. :wink:
You clearly have not tried it and are just trolling.
As just mentioned I have tried the DSG and really do not understand the hype. It is a modern automatic gearbox with a more obvious 'manual' option than older versions.
Still an Auto.
I've been on here a good while, my views on Automatics have been made clear. Never been called a troll before :embarassed:
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(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/darrong/images-1.jpg)
Again....
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If you had a DSG for a week , I don't think you would go back to manual? :undecided:
Go back? What, to the 1970s?? :huh:
Autos are nothing new, DSG is simply VWs name for their new Auto box.
VW Golf GTI Automatic wouldn't sound so good would it. :wink:
You clearly have not tried it and are just trolling.
As just mentioned I have tried the DSG and really do not understand the hype. It is a modern automatic gearbox with a more obvious 'manual' option than older versions.
Still an Auto.
I've been on here a good while, my views on Automatics have been made clear. Never been called a troll before :embarassed:
Explain how it's an auto.
I fail to see how a car with two clutches and a manual gearbox can be classed as an auto, a clutch pedal does not define a manual, it's merely an ancient way of disengaging the gearbox.
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Golfti Jesus loves you but everyone else thinks your Troll Cnut :laugh:
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Obviously its an auto - with a 'manual' option.
As I keep saying - what's new apart from the speed of the gear change?
Automatic gearbox under various namesover the last 50 years -change and hold gear by moving the gear lever. Or put it in A and let the car choose. Still don't see what's so revolutionary.
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Obviously its an auto - with a 'manual' option.
No, it's a Manual with an 'Auto' option.
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Sales of GTIs over the last year or so have been 50/50 (ish) manual to DSG.
Obviously plenty of you like DSG and plenty don't.
I don't.
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Obviously its an auto - with a 'manual' option.
As I keep saying - what's new apart from the speed of the gear change?
Automatic gearbox under various namesover the last 50 years -change and hold gear by moving the gear lever. Or put it in A and let the car choose. Still don't see what's so revolutionary.
You don't see it through ignorance or stupidity?
It's a manual gear box with two clutches, you just don't use a clutch pedal.
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Golfti Jesus loves you but everyone else thinks your Troll Cnut :laugh:
Steve30
That is really not very nice.
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Sales of GTIs over the last year or so have been 50/50 (ish) manual to DSG.
Obviously plenty of you like DSG and plenty don't.
I don't.
Would this be the same if the prices were equal. :rolleyes:
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Sales of GTIs over the last year or so have been 50/50 (ish) manual to DSG.
Obviously plenty of you like DSG and plenty don't.
I don't.
I used to be like you would never go near a DSG, then I had one as a loan car for week never looked back, that was 4 yrs ago. Since then ive had 4 cars all DSG :smug:
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Obviously its an auto - with a 'manual' option.
As I keep saying - what's new apart from the speed of the gear change?
Automatic gearbox under various namesover the last 50 years -change and hold gear by moving the gear lever. Or put it in A and let the car choose. Still don't see what's so revolutionary.
You don't see it through ignorance or stupidity?
It's a manual gear box with two clutches, you just don't use a clutch pedal.
Stupidity it would seem. I'll wait for a bit of 'manual' support tomorrow as I'm on my own against the DSG crowd tonight.
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Golfti Jesus loves you but everyone else thinks your Troll Cnut :laugh:
Steve30
That is really not very nice.
Only joking mate :grin:
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You don't see it through ignorance or stupidity?
It's a manual gear box with two clutches, you just don't use a clutch pedal.
Manual suggests that everything is done manually, from the selecting of which gear to be in, to the changing of gears.
With DSG it's not...it may well be an Automated Manual design, but it will still only do what the computer program allows...that, to me, removes any fully manual option...so it can't be difined as a manual.
It's very clever, and suits many people...but it sure isn't a manual control function.
Manual - the very term when referring to a control action - refers to a state that will not change without an outside command. DSG will take command of certain situations even if 'Manual' control is selected and effect a change. That is an automatic control function, no matter how you dress it up.
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I thing the problem here is that there are really three types of gearbox.
Fully Manual
Auto Clutch Manual (DSG)
Fully Automatic
The problem just seems to be when someone just says a DSG is the same as a Torque convertor Automatic when it clearly isn't.
Likewise the DSG could not be called a full manual, as you have rightly said, if you hit the rev limiter or the car is about to stall the computer will take over and change gear.
I don't like Automatic gearboxes either but I love my DSG.. :smiley:
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Why won't it let you select second to move off in, in snow? That scuppered me a couple of times last winter.
We've had snow already, and the winter tyres don't go on for ten days....
Rolfe.
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Why won't it let you select second to move off in, in snow? That scuppered me a couple of times last winter.
We've had snow already, and the winter tyres don't go on for ten days....
Rolfe.
Because the computer say no.
Just like all the best 'manual' gearboxes...oh, no. Maybe not...
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Why won't it let you select second to move off in, in snow? That scuppered me a couple of times last winter.
We've had snow already, and the winter tyres don't go on for ten days....
Rolfe.
Just take your foot off the pedals and it starts off from a standstill itself, it was excellent in the snow last year.
Once you get going it is easy to select second and because there is no disruption in drive, unlike a manual, it just keeps driving :smiley:
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Once you get going it is easy to select second and because there is no disruption in drive, unlike a manual, it just keeps driving :smiley:
Hmm...
But with a manual, you pull away in second and suffer no disruption to drive as you leave it in second and don't dip the clutch...it just keeps driving. :smiley:
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That's right so they both give the same result in the end :smiley:
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The mk6 DSG must be better than the mk5 in the snow as the one i tried to get out the car park was so abrupt it just sat there spinning. :sad:
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That's right so they both give the same result in the end :smiley:
Not if you want to pull away in 2nd with idle revs, they don't.
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Why won't it let you select second to move off in, in snow? That scuppered me a couple of times last winter.
We've had snow already, and the winter tyres don't go on for ten days....
Rolfe.
Just take your foot off the pedals and it starts off from a standstill itself, it was excellent in the snow last year.
Once you get going it is easy to select second and because there is no disruption in drive, unlike a manual, it just keeps driving :smiley:
I caught on to that after a bit, but it didn't always work. Sometimes the snow was just too deep anyway I think.
I think there are different skills to driving a DSG, as the OP implies, and those of us schooled on manuals need to learn some different approaches to get the best out of the technology.
And winter tyres seem like a good idea too....
Rolfe.
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That is easy :laugh:....... you drive a GTI DSG by putting your foot down and grasp your steering wheel...isn't life simple..
Your only problem is getting to "feel" the amount of power you give it on the edge of wheelspin...
I am truly amazed that every "manual-lover" thinks he is the Stig.....because in 99 percent of the other cases you are the losing one against a traffic light sprint... :evil:
Besides it is really not 2010 if your soffisticated engine has to be controlled by a wannabee Schumacher fumbling with a stick in a pre-cut hole trying to get the exact moments right.... :lipsrsealed:
The comfort in daily use is.....a gift from heaven...
Do not forget you can still get your "feeling of control" by the paddle or stick...whatever makes you happy...
All those huge advantages at a moderate price......it is a no-brainer.....full stop (unless you are on a budget).... :cool:
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Above +1 :wink:
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That is easy :laugh:....... you drive a GTI DSG by putting your foot down and grasp your steering wheel...isn't life simple..
Your only problem is getting to "feel" the amount of power you give it on the edge of wheelspin...
I am truly amazed that every "manual-lover" thinks he is the Stig.....because in 99 percent of the other cases you are the losing one against a traffic light sprint... :evil:
Besides it is really not 2010 if your soffisticated engine has to be controlled by a wannabee Schumacher fumbling with a stick in a pre-cut hole trying to get the exact moments right.... :lipsrsealed:
The comfort in daily use is.....a gift from heaven...
Do not forget you can still get your "feeling of control" by the paddle or stick...whatever makes you happy...
All those huge advantages at a moderate price......it is a no-brainer.....full stop (unless you are on a budget).... :cool:
If getting away from the traffic lights 0.1 seconds quicker is your prime concern...go for your life. Order DSG, it's faster.
In fact, if saving 0.1 of a second is your prime concern, buy a faster car.
If however, you want to be involved...DSG doesn't cut in in the same way a manual does...if VW had even remotely trid to give the 'paddles' some feel in may have helped, but they didn't. It's just a micro-switch, much as you get on a PS3...and about as rewarding.
DSG may be faster off the line, may give better economy on paper, may be better in traffic...but it bores the tits off me, so as long as I have two arms and two legs that work, and the Government don't find a way of taxing involvement...I'll spec a manual. Hell, I'd pay the cost of DSG NOT to have it.
You don't have to be the stig to remember you are human...and to remember how to have fun in a car.
If more people were more aware of the car they were driving - by the car doing less for you - then maybe the driving standards would be higher!
...and you don't need to think about how much power to give it...XDS/TCS does that for you.
Modern cars are designed for the brain dead with little skill.
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^^^Agreed
no one questions the technology or its efficiency. it simply removes the fun from driving. you find that your right foot becomes proportional to your speed. when that speed doesnt come you are left wanting to be in a lower gear... habit means you often forget that you can change down manually, but i would rather be in the correct gear in the first place
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...............0.1 second faster....I have just caught another Stig... :laugh:
Modern cars for the brain dead...ahum...tell that to Schumacher...The gloriuos F1 has given us better cars each year....please go on... :cool:
If you are still driving a mind-boggling Austin 7 with a manual you should be taken off the road....it is simply dangeroust in traffic... :wink:
(http://www.communigate.co.uk/lancs/armylife/phpr3Awjn)
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^^^Agreed
no one questions the technology or its efficiency. it simply removes the fun from driving. you find that your right foot becomes proportional to your speed. when that speed doesnt come you are left wanting to be in a lower gear... habit means you often forget that you can change down manually, but i would rather be in the correct gear in the first place
Use the paddle or the stick...if you are not satisfied...."how can you forget if you are/become aware of that "disadvantage".... :huh:
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^^^Agreed
no one questions the technology or its efficiency. it simply removes the fun from driving. you find that your right foot becomes proportional to your speed. when that speed doesnt come you are left wanting to be in a lower gear... habit means you often forget that you can change down manually, but i would rather be in the correct gear in the first place
Use the paddle or the stick...if you are not satisfied...."how can you forget if you are/become aware of that "disadvantage".... :huh:
... where are your paddles when you are going around a corner?? :rolleyes:
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I have posted many time on another forum about my time with our mk5 GTI. I had access regular to another mk5 with DSG and regular drove the same routes. One week using one car the next week the other car or swopping daily. The DSG 3door was more or less fully loaded our mk5 5door was basic spec. I got bored in the DSG i may as well been in a 1.0 tin box auto or the bus. Hell i had more fun in a mk2 pandaSelecta CVT! I lost concentration in daily use to the point once or twice i scared myself, the padels felt cheap and nasty and just got bored of them. I loved getting back into the manual version and 90% of my driving was city traffic the lack of feel and in control i found with the DSG, snatchy starts or selecting the wrong gear at roundabouts started to really piss me off. Plus it avaraged 10% less mpg than i was getting in the manual. The way in snow it just sat there and its tyres went round and round were as our manual one got moving. (Never understood why the GTI never got that button the TDIsport DSG got to reduce torque and help in winter conditions) The way it decided if you were near the rev limit to change up for you if you were trying to have some fun with the padels.
Too many disadvantages and niggles for me to go for DSG this time, Some i granted are fixed by the revo map but you should not have to have this done it should be like that or better from the factory.
Oh and anyone that does traffic light races is just a knob.
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...............0.1 second faster....I have just caught another Stig... :laugh:
Modern cars for the brain dead...ahum...tell that to Schumacher...
Schumacher wasn't the best example...he did little of note this year.
Modern cars insulate like never before...so people are less aware of the road conditions, other motorists or their speed = worse and worse driving standards.
The gloriuos F1 has given us better cars each year....please go on... :cool:
Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is any direct link between your FWD shopping car and an F1 machine?
Please, don't insult me.
Next you'll be trying to tell me your rear diffuser actually works and is not merely a work of fashion.
If you are still driving a mind-boggling Austin 7 with a manual you should be taken off the road....it is simply dangeroust in traffic... :wink:
No, not at all...but I'm also not exactly driving a Golf either...I just get in and it goes where I point it with 10% effort.
There is little skill involved...
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^^^Agreed
no one questions the technology or its efficiency. it simply removes the fun from driving. you find that your right foot becomes proportional to your speed. when that speed doesnt come you are left wanting to be in a lower gear... habit means you often forget that you can change down manually, but i would rather be in the correct gear in the first place
Use the paddle or the stick...if you are not satisfied...."how can you forget if you are/become aware of that "disadvantage".... :huh:
Ahh yes...those oh-so-efficient but totally lacking in feel, microswitches.
At least other makers have the ability to engineer some 'feel' into the mix...SMG, E-Gear etc.
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Thats actually a good point. The DSG cars should have to pay an insurance premium as there more likely get pinched by 10 year olds or less tealeafs, as any idiot can drive a DSG car. :evil:
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Hahahahahahaha....on the one hand you speak about fun and getting quicker and on the other hand you condemn an innocent traffic sprint.... :huh:
Okay I am now going to admit for the record that I am no good as a (racing) driver...Hell I even do not see myself as a perfect chauffeur....I am as average as average can be....and would you believe that the avarage driver on the road is awfull.....so......THANK YOU SWEET LORD ABOVE..... for DSG/ESP/ABS/XDS/TCS/CBS/ETC ETC ETC......I now can feel a bit like Schumacher....in my own little racing car ......now who is having all the fun... :evil:
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......now who is having all the fun... :evil:
ME!!! in my manual :evil:
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Oh and anyone that does traffic light races is just a knob.
There are only 2 knobs worth considering IMO: Your own (if you are male) and that of the Ed30.
I'll leave the paddling to ducks and dicks. :evil:
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The Merc I sometimes drive is a 7 speed auto and bores my sh!tless just as a DSG would.
Paying an extra £1300-£1400 for DSG just to be a semi-driver seems a bit pointless to me.
Do you think that DSG is a substitute for frustrated chauffeurs?
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It is at least remarkable that there seems to be some sort of aggression towards the DSG drivers.....might it be that they are quicker (by more than 0.1 second)... :kiss:
It is a bit uneasy (to say the least) to be among a lot of skillfull drivers who know what is best for you... :nerd:
Why do I get the idea that you are all taking turns wearing the helmet in the Top Gear series... :shocked:.
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.......just as a DSG would.
You mean to say you are ASSUMING here..... :smug:
BTW I must admit that my car and the DSG judgement is based on a remap...that is a totally different ballgame...or maybe it proves my point even stronger :evil:
It is all so personal my friend...but great stuff to exchange one point of view... :wink:
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Nothing to do with speed or aggression or the utter laziness of most drivers.
All to do with total involvement in the art of good driving which is fast disappearing.
Now go and play with your plastic paddles while I enjoy playing with my substantial knob. :laugh:
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Why do I get the idea that you are all taking turns wearing the helmet in the Top Gear series... :shocked:.
You seem to be hung up on this image of a racing driver.
I'm not a racing driver.
I don't live on a race track.
I don't own a racing car.
I want to be able to have fun in my FWD hatchback...so I'll choose the option that lets me do that, is more involving...but slower.
Does that sound like Stig behaviour?
Thought not.
I'll stick to enjoying one of the few free pleasures left...at least until that liberty is removed and I'm forced to drive a spako-matic by a company/gorvernment that decides I'm no longer able to work gears and a clutch for myself.
No hostility...just enjoying my rights.
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Spako-matic! LMFAO! :laugh: :laugh:
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Nothing to do with speed or aggression or the utter laziness of most drivers.
Off on a tangent I know...
But modern cars:
Park themselves, because people have lost the ability to know where the extremities of their vehicle are, and as such cannot park it.
They have a camera to see hehind, because drivers are too lazy to turn round.
They have automatic lights because drivers are too thick to realise the light level has dropped and they can't see/bee seen.
They have automatic wipers to save the terminally lays from having to extend a finger and manually activate the wipers.
They have automatic gearboxes to save people from changing gear themselves.
They have cruise control to save people from actually having to use the other of their legs that DSG doesn't relegate to 'not required'.
They have ABS/ESP/TCS etc, which whilst being perfectly valid safety systems, they allow the stupid and the lazy to let the car sort out poorly judged applications of brakes, throttle and cornering ablilty.
They have tyre pressure warning systems that whils warn you of a ligitimate de-pressurising tyre, also allow the lazy to never check their tyre pressures,...and hence never bother checking the condition of their tyres.
Which allows the driver to make swift, relatively safe and speedy progress whilst completely insulated from all road conditions, oblivious to those round about them...and frees up their limiterd attention span to let them play with their touch screen in car media systems.
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"I went for a test drive yesterday in a DSG (not my first time) So whats the best way to "do it" ? Paddle it. Auto it? Stick shift it?"
Remember this? It's the question at the begining of this thread and there is no reference to manual vs DSG anywhere.....
DSG drivers will always love their DSG boxes just as Manual box drivers will always love their manual boxes.
Enjoy your cars drivers ;-)
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Nothing to do with speed or aggression or the utter laziness of most drivers.
Off on a tangent I know...
But modern cars:
Park themselves, because people have lost the ability to know where the extremities of their vehicle are, and as such cannot park it.
They have a camera to see hehind, because drivers are too lazy to turn round.
They have automatic lights because drivers are too thick to realise the light level has dropped and they can't see/bee seen.
They have automatic wipers to save the terminally lays from having to extend a finger and manually activate the wipers.
They have automatic gearboxes to save people from changing gear themselves.
They have cruise control to save people from actually having to use the other of their legs that DSG doesn't relegate to 'not required'.
They have ABS/ESP/TCS etc, which whilst being perfectly valid safety systems, they allow the stupid and the lazy to let the car sort out poorly judged applications of brakes, throttle and cornering ablilty.
They have tyre pressure warning systems that whils warn you of a ligitimate de-pressurising tyre, also allow the lazy to never check their tyre pressures,...and hence never bother checking the condition of their tyres.
Which allows the driver to make swift, relatively safe and speedy progress whilst completely insulated from all road conditions, oblivious to those round about them...and frees up their limiterd attention span to let them play with their touch screen in car media systems.
Funny I am thrilled with all these features and I am driving this thing more than all my previuos less luxuriuos car...but as the doc ordered each enjoy your car..... :smiley:
@AMW1 .....please enjoy your knob while I have it done for me.......each his own :wink:
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That is easy :laugh:....... you drive a GTI DSG by putting your foot down and grasp your steering wheel...isn't life simple..
Your only problem is getting to "feel" the amount of power you give it on the edge of wheelspin...
I am truly amazed that every "manual-lover" thinks he is the Stig.....because in 99 percent of the other cases you are the losing one against a traffic light sprint... :evil:
Besides it is really not 2010 if your soffisticated engine has to be controlled by a wannabee Schumacher fumbling with a stick in a pre-cut hole trying to get the exact moments right.... :lipsrsealed:
The comfort in daily use is.....a gift from heaven...
Do not forget you can still get your "feeling of control" by the paddle or stick...whatever makes you happy...
All those huge advantages at a moderate price......it is a no-brainer.....full stop (unless you are on a budget).... :cool:
If getting away from the traffic lights 0.1 seconds quicker is your prime concern...go for your life. Order DSG, it's faster.
In fact, if saving 0.1 of a second is your prime concern, buy a faster car.
If however, you want to be involved...DSG doesn't cut in in the same way a manual does...if VW had even remotely trid to give the 'paddles' some feel in may have helped, but they didn't. It's just a micro-switch, much as you get on a PS3...and about as rewarding.
DSG may be faster off the line, may give better economy on paper, may be better in traffic...but it bores the tits off me, so as long as I have two arms and two legs that work, and the Government don't find a way of taxing involvement...I'll spec a manual. Hell, I'd pay the cost of DSG NOT to have it.
You don't have to be the stig to remember you are human...and to remember how to have fun in a car.
If more people were more aware of the car they were driving - by the car doing less for you - then maybe the driving standards would be higher!
...and you don't need to think about how much power to give it...XDS/TCS does that for you.
Modern cars are designed for the brain dead with little skill.
I totally agree with you there. Manual all the way. Whether I'd pay to have it, well not too sure about that, but good for you.
To be honest I love the involvement, and the fact that you don't get it right ALL of the time. When you do the perfect start it feels all the more satisfying. It's like a metaphor for life, with it's highs and crashing lows, especially when you fluff it up, like I did once when I was trying to race my mrs off the line...God I've never heard the end of it!
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I would personally say , that if my current car was manual, i would be seriously considering selling up, but for me, and only me :laugh: think the dsg, is the one thing that i absolutely love about my old bird Mk5.
Im on my 4th dsg car, have driven manual Vw's when having Courtesy cars, i hated using a clutch, same as people using dsg as a Test drive and not ownership.
We all enjoy different things about driving.
I love the fact that my car can keep up with more powerfull cars, when they are struggling to find a gear in a hurry, i just cruise up and pass, with no problem, and with an almost school smerk :embarassed:.
One thing though, living in a Town, and not the countryside, dsg is a god send for me personally. £1300 is a no brainer extra.
Perhaps a manual in the countryside, may be better suited?? and enjoyable or "engaging" as been said.
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Saintly Steve: The DSG + Verdys are a match made in Heaven for you, I presume? :grin:
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Drive a DSG by pointing and pressing. In between visits to the Dealer to get the mechatronics unit replaced, until the warranty runs out........................
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Drive a DSG by pointing and pressing. In between visits to the Dealer to get the mechatronics unit replaced, until the warranty runs out........................
How to win friends and influence people, the stokeballoon way! :grin:
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Drive a DSG by pointing and pressing. In between visits to the Dealer to get the mechatronics unit replaced, until the warranty runs out........................
Never had a Mech's unit replaced. 51k and without a missing a beat. :rolleyes:
Mine doesnt fail cus i dont leave it in D all day long :wink:
It gets used as it should :drool:
@ the Ballon man :laugh:
Hmm, lets think how many cluches have failed in manual cars, after a remap shall we :smug:
Nowt wrong with my mechs unit :cool:
and the vast majority aswell Dave. :lipsrsealed:
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Mine doesnt fail cus i dont leave it in D all day long :wink:
It gets used as it should :drool:
Ah ...he misses the true manual mode. Fair enough. :wink:
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Drive a DSG by pointing and pressing. In between visits to the Dealer to get the mechatronics unit replaced, until the warranty runs out........................
Never had a Mech's unit replaced. 51k and without a missing a beat. :rolleyes:
Mine doesnt fail cus i dont leave it in D all day long :wink:
It gets used as it should :drool:
@ the Ballon man :laugh:
Hmm, lets think how many cluches have failed in manual cars, after a remap shall we :smug:
Nowt wrong with my mechs unit :cool:
and the vast majority aswell Dave. :lipsrsealed:
:smiley:
even got its own site..............
http://www.dsgproblems.co.uk/ (http://www.dsgproblems.co.uk/)
ps don't have a remap, no clutch issues here. new clutch Circa £500, mechatronics - just sell your left leg!
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Perhaps your old Cayman dave, might of been more comfortable to drive if you didnt have to press the third pedal :laugh:
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:smiley:
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Drive a DSG by pointing and pressing. In between visits to the Dealer to get the mechatronics unit replaced, until the warranty runs out........................
Never had a Mech's unit replaced. 51k and without a missing a beat. :rolleyes:
Mine doesnt fail cus i dont leave it in D all day long :wink:
It gets used as it should :drool:
@ the Ballon man :laugh:
Hmm, lets think how many cluches have failed in manual cars, after a remap shall we :smug:
Nowt wrong with my mechs unit :cool:
and the vast majority aswell Dave. :lipsrsealed:
:smiley:
even got its own site..............
http://www.dsgproblems.co.uk/ (http://www.dsgproblems.co.uk/)
ps don't have a remap, no clutch issues here. new clutch Circa £500, mechatronics - just sell your left leg!
6 guests and no users..................................... says it all doesnt it :laugh: :laugh:
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Obviously no users. Their cars a kaput! :kiss:
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Just traded my MK5 DSG in, 70000 miles 5 years old no problems :smiley:
Enjoying the MK6 just as much ..
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Its a really busy site aswell asker :wink:
Its that popular, no one posts in it :laugh:
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There was always Hurdys' DSG ED30 running nitrous
0-60mph = 4.4 seconds.......0-100mph = 8.8 seconds.
1/4 mile pre test = 12.4 @ 122mph
438.7hp and 510lbft
No issues either :evil:
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Its a really busy site aswell asker :wink:
Its that popular, no one posts in it :laugh:
Shame! :grin:
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:smiley:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dsg+problems (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dsg+problems)
I hope that VW finally see sense and give DSG owners a 10 Year warranty as in the US. I hope none of you have any problems, but you must admit that the DSG box is not fully reliable. Too many problems for VAG to ignore you would hope, but I fear they will still deny problems.
I like a manual, you like a auto (Sorry!) DSG. Would be boring if we all liked the same in our cars.
End of my trip, boat heading back to the harbour!
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hi guise (and gals)
not been on for a while, but nice to see the ole "DSG is better than manuel sukkoz!!!!1111" arguments are still as healthy as ever.
reading through the posts, it mostly seems to be one extreme of opinion to another, but i like both and can see the benefits of having DSG over manual. some of you may remember i have a manual and i'm quite happy with it. Actually to some extent I don't really know what I'm missing because i only tried DSG a couple years ago on a test drive, but i was nonetheless impressed. however i personally just don't see £1300 as an amount of money worth spending on this extra.
Whilst i still have a left leg that works i would prefer just driving the way i've known for 10 years, 3 pedals and a stick in the middle i have to poke about every so often - and the GTI manuals are really nice to use, the clutch pedal isn't super heavy as opposed to performance-esque cars of years gone by, moving the stick it slots nicely into place and doesn't require training in the gym twice a week to operate. yes i suppose pressing a couple of paddles behind the wheel is easier. and you get off the line quicker and you can beat boi racers more easily in a DSG. and it's more fuel efficient - blah blah blah. But i just don't see the DSG will add to my own driving experience. for me the GTI is already a great car in manual format, and i'm happy with it. I still think DSG is an impressive innovation though, and it's nice we're given the choice in options - obviously for some drivers DSG enhances the GTI experience greatly, and it's nice that drivers can enjoy this.
and as for the question whether DSG is really a 'manual with 2 clutches' - well, if you were taking a practical driving test in a DSG, would you qualify with a manual license?? Any driving examiners in the house? i don't know anybody who has taken a test in a DSG before, however i would guess that although the underlying technical mechanics could be argued to be 'manual', the way you operate DSG is still automatic in style, and the DVLA would award an automatic license to reflect as such. and correct me if i'm wrong but nobody will be doing Russ Swift style J-turns in a DSG; that's only possible with the fine control you get from a manually operated clutch plate.
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however i personally just don't see £1300 as an amount of money worth spending on this extra.
Put a 6 speed sequential in there, and that's a gearbox I'd never complain about not having to use the clutch (except off the line!) and I'd happily pay twice DSGs cost for it...
I can dream...
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I hope that VW finally see sense and give DSG owners a 10 Year warranty as in the US.
This was due to the DSG recall, due to a faulty temperature sensor, which involved 53300 cars only in the US.
It didn't apply to the UK.
There is probably as much chance of a turbo failure or some other catastrophic internal engine failure as any failure of the DSG
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well, if you were taking a practical driving test in a DSG, would you qualify with a manual license??
we have a similar system in New South Wales (Oz), when a learner drivers sits for their provisional license. you sit for a manual or auto license (when you qualify for a full license, the manual or auto license no longer exists, you can drive either). A manual license means you need to sit for the exam in a car with a clutch pedal.
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I hope that VW finally see sense and give DSG owners a 10 Year warranty as in the US.
This was due to the DSG recall, due to a faulty temperature sensor, which involved 53300 cars only in the US.
It didn't apply to the UK.
There is probably as much chance of a turbo failure or some other catastrophic internal engine failure as any failure of the DSG
in the words of Journey
Just a small town girl................Living in a lonely world.............
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I thought your boat had sailed into the sunset :laugh:
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:grin:
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Nothing to do with speed or aggression or the utter laziness of most drivers.
Off on a tangent I know...
But modern cars:
Park themselves, because people have lost the ability to know where the extremities of their vehicle are, and as such cannot park it.
They have a camera to see hehind, because drivers are too lazy to turn round.
They have automatic lights because drivers are too thick to realise the light level has dropped and they can't see/bee seen.
They have automatic wipers to save the terminally lays from having to extend a finger and manually activate the wipers.
They have automatic gearboxes to save people from changing gear themselves.
They have cruise control to save people from actually having to use the other of their legs that DSG doesn't relegate to 'not required'.
They have ABS/ESP/TCS etc, which whilst being perfectly valid safety systems, they allow the stupid and the lazy to let the car sort out poorly judged applications of brakes, throttle and cornering ablilty.
They have tyre pressure warning systems that whils warn you of a ligitimate de-pressurising tyre, also allow the lazy to never check their tyre pressures,...and hence never bother checking the condition of their tyres.
Which allows the driver to make swift, relatively safe and speedy progress whilst completely insulated from all road conditions, oblivious to those round about them...and frees up their limiterd attention span to let them play with their touch screen in car media systems.
In my opinion it all began when they started putting windscreen washers on cars because people were too lazy to get out and clean them themselves.
I hate technological advancements.
<winky face thing>
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In my opinion it all began when they started putting windscreen washers on cars because people were too lazy to get out and clean them themselves.
I hate technological advancements.
<winky face thing>
I'm with you genius...who needs dampers or pneumatic tyres?
Technology is great...but technology that turns the drivers of increasingly heavier weapons, into unaware idiots is not so fine.
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Spako-matic! LMFAO! :laugh: :laugh:
Made me spill my coffee. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: