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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: mr magoo on 28 August 2010, 17:40
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Hi All
I've had my MkV Ed30 from new - about 2.5 years now, I'm beginning to wonder if it's time for a change. I do really love it but you can have too much of a good thing, you know?
I was wondering, and apologies if I'm repeating previous queries, about getting a MkVI. I probably won't go for a MkVI GTi (even though it looks :kiss: :cool:), 210PS cf 230 etc etc, I'm thinking of plumping for an R instead.
Any thoughts on whether it'd be 'worth' it please? Will I really notice much of a difference?
Also - how much smaller is the R boot compared to a 2wd MkV or MkVI.
Cheers
Martin
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The R is faster than the Ed30 and the GTi. No contest. It has a smaller boot than a 'rocco.
I did not go for the R, not because it had a smaller boot or because it seemed overpriced, but because I did not require the extra performance and also could not accept the pretty dismal fuel economy from daily driving in London.
Try before you buy.
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If you can justyfi R money then I would take it evrey time over the ED30 , its much better to Drive than the Mk5 smoother and more refined, or get the GTI go for a re-map. The ed30 is very nice car i used to have one :cool:
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I like the 4WD of the R, but that's about it. I think the GTI looks a lot nicer/classier.
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+1
Froggy: Now you'll have R owners huffing and puffing!
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The R is faster than the Ed30 and the GTi. No contest. It has a smaller boot than a 'rocco.
Try before you buy.
I too would suggest a drive...
The R will be quicker off the line and easier to drive fast out of junctions/off roundabouts...but ultimately, with far higher driveline losses and more weight, isn't any faster once you get through 2nd and away from heavy foot induced wheelspin.
You will be able to use more throttle more often with the R...but I wouldn't expect it to be noticably faster than your Ed 30 and certainly not hugely more fun, if at all.
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I thought the R was a brilliant drive but I somehow disliked its snout. However, it is gradually growing on me.
What I really dislike are the side-skirts which are the same as those on a Golf Bluemotion!
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What I really dislike are the side-skirts which are the same as those on a Golf Bluemotion!
ETTO! I think its pathetic that they've botched the sideskirts on the GTI by putting naff black plastic in their place.
Almost as criminal as making the bottom 1/3rd of the MK5 GTI's bumper black.
I've gone from an ED30 to an R, and the R feels significantly quicker. Much easier away at junctions in the wet too. As above - try before you buy. The boot in the R has less volume than the Scirocco, but is a much more practical space. The boot is about 3" less deep due to the 4wd. I can still fit my golf clubs and huge trolley in the boot - but I do have to take the shelf out. I had to take the shelf out in my ED30 too though.
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The side skirts on the GTi have a semblance of design flair unlike the long colour coded lump on the R and the Bluemotion.
Each to their own.
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... O I forgot! The rear diffuser on the R is ace!
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i've never drove the Edition 30 or the R, but just considering the basics like cost, running costs, comfort and that sort of thing, personally I'd keep the Edition 30. Actually I almost bought second hand Edition 30, the only thing that put me off was it was 3 door instead of 5 door and i really wanted 5.
I think the R is just too expensive for what it is. coupled with the increased running costs and insurance, i couldn't justify the costs to myself. i suppose 4WD on the R would be useful during the winter, but that alone would not make me consider it
the end of the day though, it's your dough, if you fancy the R, fair play to ya, just go for it.
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Thanks for the responses all.
Regarding running costs - not too much of a concern as I'm likely to run it through my business. Anything the business doesn't spend the taxman gets (overly simplistic I know) - so where's the incentive to save :laugh:
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Go try the R, if you can find one! It's a great motor. And looks wise, I initially thought it was a little plain when I first saw it in the flesh, but it's really grown on me, and now I'm totally smitten!!!
When I drove it down through France and Italy it was unbelievable how much attention it got. I felt like I was driving a Ferrari. Seriously, people videoing and taking photos etc. Never had a car that had that effect before. :huh:
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If you don't mind the running costs or the smaller boot, the R is king. Stick with non-black 18" wheels though. O, go for the DSG with it.
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White Golf R with 19" gloss black alloys = H.O.T! :kiss:
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Gloss Black = Gross Chav
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Manual all the way!! You're the boss, not the computer..and besides, it means you can eat more pies :laugh:
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Disagree there mate got to be DSG R , paddle shift R oh yes now that would make me smile from here to Scotland :drool:
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Oh and I'd recommend the 19's in silver with ACC they're not too bad on your back!!
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ACC a must whatever the shoes!
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Steve the DSG on the R is a bit temperamental, from what I've heard from the other R owners anyway. Lots of threads about it always being in the wrong gear and losing drive, add that to a large turbo and it can take a while to spin up properly. Its caught me out a few times in the manual, when I was getting used to it. Personally I prefer to drive my cars with manual, although in town I sometimes wish I had an auto :smiley:
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Steve the DSG on the R is a bit temperamental, from what I've heard from the other R owners anyway. Lots of threads about it always being in the wrong gear and losing drive, add that to a large turbo and it can take a while to spin up properly. Its caught me out a few times in the manual, when I was getting used to it. Personally I prefer to drive my cars with manual, although in town I sometimes wish I had an auto :smiley:
In that case you need a DSG map put on, now your talking a proper motor :grin:
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... And make sure the rear bumper is not wonkey!
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You may get a more biased which maybe what your after on the R forum.
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i've never drove the Edition 30 or the R, but just considering the basics like cost, running costs, comfort and that sort of thing, personally I'd keep the Edition 30.
Well you're in a great place to judge having driven neither.
I owned an ED30 for around 20 months, and have had my R since April - and I can quite happily confirm that the R gets better MPG and is as comfy if not comfier than the ED30 to drive. I'm on 19's and have ACC.
I have a 3 year servicing plan for £250 - which the dealer gave me free - so my running costs should only be petrol and maybe a set of tyres over the 3 years I'll keep the car. I only drive about 6-8k miles a year, so I should avoid any big expences.
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Well thanks again for everyone's comments.
Here are my thoughts on the options:
5 door
Prob silver with silver 19's - or one of the blues (my Ed30's steel grey).
DSG, AAC
RNS510 - but is it true I can't have DAB as well?
Lux pack - folding mirrors etc
Winter pack
Recaro seats
iPod and phone prep
Armrest
Cruise
Front / Rear parking sensors
Electric rears (standard on the Ed30 but not on the R :huh:)
MFSW
then the boring stuff like alarms.
That little lot pushes it up to around 41k! Though it will most likely be my company, not me, paying for it.
Anything important I've missed? :laugh:
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yes there is ,get yourself a porsche caymen at sort of money?? :grin:
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Fair point - but I don't want a Cayman - I need something that's practical and doesn't shout about itself.
911 one day though - when the kids grow up :laugh:
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Anything important I've missed? :laugh:
Yup... the reversing camera!
For £155 its rude not to take it. You'd be surprised how much you use it, and its a nice gimmick.
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The R all day long over the ed30 :cool:
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Don't you get an armrest, mfsw, electric rear windows and alarm on the R anymore? Or are you in a different country? If you just don't get them anymore then thats shockin! :shocked:
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Very much in the UK - unless I'm reading the specs wrong, these things are now all options. M
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Very much in the UK - unless I'm reading the specs wrong, these things are now all options. M
I think you're reading it wrong, as they all come as standard now. I remember having to pay extra for my armrest in my ED30 though! I never really used it - it just looked terrible without it!
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I've had my R for 5 months now and previously owned an ED30 for over a year and my thoughts are similar to p3eps and Danno above
IMHO the R is a better car to drive, being faster and completely planted at all speeds and in all conditions.
Running costs for my R are about the same as my ED30, with mpg, tax and insurance only very marginally more expensive.
Official lap times for the R show just how fast it actually is compared to all previous fast Golfs, despite its AWD weight.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html 87th compared to 130th, 165th, 169th, 173th and 204th
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html 171st compared to 282nd, 296th, 307th, 331st
The R certainly feels much faster on the open road than my ED30 did
The only downside is the price :sad:
Some also don't like it''s rather "clinical" drive (i.e lack of excitement) but as a long term ownership prospect I find the R is a fantastic and practical all rounder, in all weather conditions :wink:
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Well thanks again for everyone's comments.
Here are my thoughts on the options:
5 door
Prob silver with silver 19's - or one of the blues (my Ed30's steel grey).
DSG, AAC
RNS510 - but is it true I can't have DAB as well?
Lux pack - folding mirrors etc
Winter pack
Recaro seats
iPod and phone prep
Armrest
Cruise
Front / Rear parking sensors
Electric rears (standard on the Ed30 but not on the R :huh:)
MFSW
then the boring stuff like alarms.
That little lot pushes it up to around 41k! Though it will most likely be my company, not me, paying for it.
Anything important I've missed? :laugh:
As you've got a Steel Grey already you probably decided not to consider another. I have one and in this colour and in my opinion the 2 colours are completely different. The Steel Grey on the R is much, much more metallic than the Mk5. If you can get a close look at a Steel Grey R, make the effort - you'll be very surprised! Stays cleaner a little bit longer than my black Mk5 Ed30 did :laugh:
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Prob silver with silver 19's - or one of the blues (my Ed30's steel grey).
If you're getting Reflex Silver, then I'd go for the Gloss Black 19" alloys. Otherwise, it looks too much like a normal cooking Golf.
RNS510 - but is it true I can't have DAB as well
Yes, I think you can have DAB. But, strangely, not in conjuction with the rear-view camera.
Lux pack - folding mirrors etc
Waste of money IMHO.
Winter pack
Another waste of money IMHO. It's just heated washer jets, which for ~£200 is a right royal rip-off.
Recaro seats
Don't bother - these are a massively overpriced option. Get your company to send you on a nice 2 week holiday instead with the money you save.
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Winter pack is Ace, bloody freezing last winter love my heated seats, so is lux pack when parking!! :grin:
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Winter pack is Ace, bloody freezing last winter love my heated seats, so is lux pack when parking!! :grin:
+ 1 Winter pack is a must. No one wants a cold botty against leather in winter. Folding mirrors also a must. For me I also like a sunroof. A black sunroof against a white car for instance gives a nice contrast.
My only critisim with the R is it doesn't look any more special then a GTI, which I feel it should do for the price tag. For instance if you compare the MK5 GTI to the Edition 30 then the Edition 30 wins hands down in the looks department. But I'm not sure you can say this about the look of an R to a GTI...?
This isn't to say I wouldn't buy one over a GTI. If I had the funds available at the time, then yes I would have brought an R as its the daddy of performance Golfs........ :smiley:
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On the R you get heated seats as standard with the leather. No need for the winter pack, or indeed a cold bottom. You might get a numb bum if you don't go for ACC with 19"s, and that might feel cold due to the blood loss!
Only joking, from what I hear its still acceptable.
Re it not looking any more special than the GTI ...that's why most of us brought it. Its a wolf in sheep's clothing. Actually, I now prefer its looks to the GTI. But hey i'm biased and very much in love!!!! :laugh:
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Winter pack is Ace, bloody freezing last winter love my heated seats, so is lux pack when parking!! :grin:
Here, here! Totally agree. Both worth every penny. Brilliant. :smiley:
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Luxury Pack on a GTi/GTD/R - £125 - Electrically foldable door mirrors, reverse activated kerb view adjustment on passenger's side.
Winter Pack on a GTi/GTD - £365 - Headlight washers, heated front seats, heated windscreen washer jets and low washer fluid warning light.
Winter Pack on an R - £345 - Headlight washers, heated front seats, heated windscreen washer jets and low washer fluid warning light.
Winter Pack - £20 cheaper on an R as it already comes with Headlight washers with the Bi-Xenons (standard).
All the above without the part-leather interior which is a waste of money.
Winter/Luxury Packs are not a waste of money.
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Winter/Luxury Packs are not a waste of money.
It depends which options you have already picked.
I had headlight washers / low washer light standard with my xenons, and headed seats standard with my leather seats.
If I choose the Winter Pack, the only thing extra I get for about £250 is heated water jets. Now THATS a waste of money!!
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Winter/Luxury Packs are not a waste of money.
It depends which options you have already picked.
I had headlight washers / low washer light standard with my xenons, and headed seats standard with my leather seats.
If I choose the Winter Pack, the only thing extra I get for about £250 is heated water jets. Now THATS a waste of money!!
:wink:
True
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Winter/Luxury Packs are not a waste of money.
It depends which options you have already picked.
I had headlight washers / low washer light standard with my xenons, and headed seats standard with my leather seats.
If I choose the Winter Pack, the only thing extra I get for about £250 is heated water jets. Now THATS a waste of money!!
:wink:
True
If you order part leather, which is a waste of money IMVHO, then I'd agree that the Winter Pack is adding insult to injury! :rolleyes:
Nice car, Golf R. :smiley:
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Not a fan of leather then I see!!! :smug:
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Not a fan of leather then I see!!! :smug:
Me too, unless it is of very high quality.
The leather in the Golf is 'painted' stuff, a great amount is part-leather, looks cheap, it wears very badly, puts a shine on woolen trousers and needs 'cooling' in summer. :rolleyes:
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Not a fan of leather then I see!!! :smug:
Me too, unless it is of very high quality.
The leather in the Golf is 'painted' stuff, a great amount is part-leather, looks cheap, it wears very badly, puts a shine on woolen trousers and needs 'cooling' in summer. :rolleyes:
I grant you it's not the best hide in the world, but it sure as hell beats fabric as an option. Cloth seats in a 35k motor.....! :sick:
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Not a fan of leather then I see!!! :smug:
Me too, unless it is of very high quality.
The leather in the Golf is 'painted' stuff, a great amount is part-leather, looks cheap, it wears very badly, puts a shine on woolen trousers and needs 'cooling' in summer. :rolleyes:
I grant you it's not the best hide in the world, but it sure as hell beats fabric as an option. Cloth seats in a 35k motor.....! :sick:
I dissagree there leather :sick: My seats are ace everytime someoen gets in the car I get a complement on the seats!
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Ok Steve, perhaps the retro tartan looks ok in a GTI/D, but have you seen the cloth option on the R? Not good. Leather was the only sensible option.
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Agreed - the standard seats in the R aren't really my cup of tea.
I like the ED30 ones best - tartan in the middle with leather bolsters. The best of both worlds.
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Agreed - the standard seats in the R aren't really my cup of tea.
I like the ED30 ones best - tartan in the middle with leather bolsters. The best of both worlds.
+1 :wink:
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Ok Steve, perhaps the retro tartan looks ok in a GTI/D, but have you seen the cloth option on the R? Not good. Leather was the only sensible option.
The standard titan black red jacara cloth seats are very nice indeed on the GTI and provide the retro look. However personally I love the leather seats as they give the cars interior an overall classier look and feel. Heated leather seats are a must and with the leather seats you get electronic lumbar support which is very good on the old 'Cilla Black'. The leather seats on the Mk6 are also a massive improvement on the Mk5 ones :smiley:
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Maw i thought the leather seats were same on the Mk5 as Mk6?
Are you saying the leather is different? I haven't notcied any change from my Mk5 GTI to Mk6 R
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Personally I love the jacara cloth in my GTI, having carried a number of passengers in the past year I've had many compliments on the tartan effect and 1 year on the cloth looks as good as new.
VW leather is not premium quallity and sags very quicklly which spoils that supposed premium feel.
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Personally I love the jacara cloth in my GTI, having carried a number of passengers in the past year I've had many compliments on the tartan effect and 1 year on the cloth looks as good as new.
VW leather is not premium quallity and sags very quicklly which spoils that supposed premium feel.
Come on Gizzy, get with the program..... you know you like the feel of leather on your bottom :grin:
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Personally I love the jacara cloth in my GTI, having carried a number of passengers in the past year I've had many compliments on the tartan effect and 1 year on the cloth looks as good as new.
VW leather is not premium quallity and sags very quicklly which spoils that supposed premium feel.
Come on Gizzy, get with the program..... you know you like the feel of leather on your bottom :grin:
That sounds like you & Asker both into leather (YMCA) :grin:
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Personally I love the jacara cloth in my GTI, having carried a number of passengers in the past year I've had many compliments on the tartan effect and 1 year on the cloth looks as good as new.
VW leather is not premium quallity and sags very quicklly which spoils that supposed premium feel.
Come on Gizzy, get with the program..... you know you like the feel of leather on your bottom :grin:
That sounds like you & Asker both into leather (YMCA) :grin:
I believe Asker is a 'man of the cloth' :grin:
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^Amen to that brother :grin:
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Maw i thought the leather seats were same on the Mk5 as Mk6?
Are you saying the leather is different? I haven't notcied any change from my Mk5 GTI to Mk6 R
You may well be right tbo.... sorry to clarify I owned a Mk5 GT before the Mk6 GTI and in comparing the leather seats with these cars the leather seats in the Mk6 are a step up in quality (but so is the overall interior).
My Mk5 was a 57 plate which I owned for 3 years and the leather didn't mark, stretch or become jaded looking in that time. I also didn't really ever use leather cleaning and conditioning products on the seats. The seats looked as good as new when I traded in the car to be fair.
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You three have me in stitches!
In the middle of a clinic and the nurse wondered why I was laughing. :laugh:
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You three have me in stitches!
In the middle of a clinic and the nurse wondered why I was laughing. :laugh:
Be careful Asker.... we don't want those men in white coats coming to take you away...!
p.s. give the nurse a squeeze from me :grin:
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p.s. give the nurse a squeeze from me
and one from him too :grin:
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Personally I love the jacara cloth in my GTI, having carried a number of passengers in the past year I've had many compliments on the tartan effect and 1 year on the cloth looks as good as new.
VW leather is not premium quallity and sags very quicklly which spoils that supposed premium feel.
Come on Gizzy, get with the program..... you know you like the feel of leather on your bottom :grin:
Have you had your binoculars out again? You naughty boy :grin: I'll need to go and strop my whip now :wink:
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That's the spirit Gizzy.... Now I've been a very naughty boy putting those nasty interlagos wheels on my GTI and deserve a good spanking...!
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That's the spirit Gizzy.... Now I've been a very naughty boy putting those nasty interlagos wheels on my GTI and deserve a good spanking...!
I'll be right round! :wink: Just think Lara Croft and you're half way there (not) :grin:
Now we'll have the forum Police out next for not posting on topic :angry:
Gizzy
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LOL thanks for that Gizzy. I promise to be a good boy from now. Please can you un-tie me now so I can take my gimp mask off.
Sorry forum police ( we're done now ).
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This is getting weird! 'fun' but weird! :laugh: As far as the seats go, if the company is payin then go for it imo, it's way over priced but who cares if your not payin?! Just my 2p.
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+1 Just go for it. Spec it as high as possible and make us GTI guys all jealous.
ps there's plenty of decent spec"d demo R's in stock. Why not cut out the waiting time and save a few pennies.
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LOL thanks for that Gizzy. I promise to be a good boy from now. Please can you un-tie me now so I can take my gimp mask off.
Sorry forum police ( we're done now ).
Consider yourself well and truly chastened and now free to untie those furry cuffs and remove the mask :evil:
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I have just been on the VW website and configured an R and a GTI to the spec that I have on my car at present.
The R came in at £37,545.00 and the GTI at £31,065.00, now I know that a remap is not going to cost me anywhere near £6000 so if it were me I would go for the GTI and get a decent remap done on it.
In my view the R whilst no doubt a great car to drive is no looker, whereas the GTI does have a certain head turning impact which always puts a smille on my face.
Could I afford an R? probably, would I consider an R? probably not. But then I am as tight as a ducks a**e and also deeply in love with my GTI.
Gizzy
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But then I am as tight as a ducks a**e
Said the actress to the bishop :grin:
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But then I am as tight as a ducks a**e and also deeply in love with my GTI.
Gizzy
You know that's not true. I am and stop fingering me! :evil: :grin: :kiss:
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I agree a remap might get you the power, but it won't help you get it down on the grey stuff. The 4WD really helps, and I beg to differ on the looks. My motor gets loads of attention. Although it may be from peope thinking, why has that bloke stuck 19's and LEDs on a golf diesel :wink:
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Oh, and you can kiss goodbye to your warranty, which, when your gearbox blows up, will cost ya £6k in repair bills...
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Danno, what 19's have you got on yours? Pics?
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Just the silver option 19" Talledegas that you can spec on the R
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But then I am as tight as a ducks a**e and also deeply in love with my GTI.
Gizzy
You know that's not true. I am and stop fingering me! :evil: :grin: :kiss:
:evil: :laugh:
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Danno,with those wheels being 19 x 8's do the wheels stick out much on the front out of interest?
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Dunno what you mean 19 x 8. They do stick out a tiny bit, but you get a small plastic mudflap on the arch of the R when you spec them, I think it's due to some EU law. I'm sure it was a thread on the R Forum a while back. I'll see if I can find the link for you.
Here you go http://www.rforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=530.0 (http://www.rforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=530.0)
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mr magoo
Would you consider a secondhand R ? There's a guy on the R forum selling his 6 month old one I think
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201035366910715
Looks-wise it seems to be very subjective between the GTi and the R. Personally I prefer the meaner, darker, squatter look of the R but there agaiin I'm biased :laugh:
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/Jerry_G/FrontDRLs8.jpg)
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Winter pack is Ace, bloody freezing last winter love my heated seats, so is lux pack when parking!! :grin:
Here, here! Totally agree. Both worth every penny. Brilliant. :smiley:
I have Leather on my R, so the Winter Pack is a waste of money as it's only heated windscreen washer nozzles.
My passenger wing mirror automatically dips when I select reverse even though I don't have the Luxury Pack. Go figure. I don't need folding mirrors.
ETTO. :smiley:
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/Jerry_G/FrontDRLs8.jpg)
Bit of sex wee came out when I saw that photo... :shocked:
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SC how come your mirror dips?? I want that feature!!!! Do you think it's a hack?
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SC how come your mirror dips?? I want that feature!!!! Do you think it's a hack?
I have that also. think it has something to do with the position of the rear view mirror adjuster (possibly).
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R32uk do you have the lux pack? If not, what position does it have to be in to do that?
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R32uk do you have the lux pack? If not, what position does it have to be in to do that?
nope.. no lux pack.
will check later and report back. it could just be something darren has set through the vagcom?? :huh:
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SC how come your mirror dips?? I want that feature!!!! Do you think it's a hack?
Not a hack. You have to ensure your mirror adjustment knob is pointing at L. I think you get it if you have the Luxury Pack or Parking Sensors.
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Put the car in reverse and adjust your passenger mirror to view the kerb.
Take the car out of reverse, and it should revert back to where it was.
Thats how it works - if you have it!
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^^^^ You have to have the knob in the L setting.
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Put the car in reverse and adjust your passenger mirror to view the kerb.
Take the car out of reverse, and it should revert back to where it was.
Thats how it works - if you have it!
Yep - that's how you set it up (with the knob in the L position). Once set up, it should dip/revert automatically when reverse is selected/deselected.
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Back to topic. :smiley:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is a better car. :smiley:
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Mines will only dip in reverse if the knob is in the L position.
Which for me is ideal as reversing out a narrow gap, I prefer both mirrors in the normal position
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Put the car in reverse and adjust your passenger mirror to view the kerb.
Take the car out of reverse, and it should revert back to where it was.
Thats how it works - if you have it!
So that's how it works. I didn't know that, I should really read the manul somtime ( but then real men don't read manuals )....... :smiley:
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I didn't know the mirror dips in reverse either.
Back to topic:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is better car. :smiley:
It's definitely in a different league price-wise, but real-world performance is not as different I might have hoped for. However, when its wet and slippery, the R is well out in front. And it feels a more 'grown up' car than the GTI - if that makes sense.
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I didn't know the mirror dips in reverse either.
Back to topic:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is better car. :smiley:
It's definitely in a different league price-wise, but real-world performance is not as different I might have hoped for. However, when its wet and slippery, the R is well out in front. And it feels a more 'grown up' car than the GTI - if that makes sense. No!
This thread is about Mk6 R vs MK5 Ed30 not Mk6 GTi.
It is in the wrong forum!
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I didn't know the mirror dips in reverse either.
Back to topic:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is better car. :smiley:
It's definitely in a different league price-wise, but real-world performance is not as different I might have hoped for. However, when its wet and slippery, the R is well out in front. And it feels a more 'grown up' car than the GTI - if that makes sense. No!
This thread is about Mk6 R vs MK5 Ed30 not Mk6 GTi.
It is in the wrong forum!
:shocked: :rolleyes:
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I didn't know the mirror dips in reverse either.
Back to topic:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is better car. :smiley:
It's definitely in a different league price-wise, but real-world performance is not as different I might have hoped for. However, when its wet and slippery, the R is well out in front. And it feels a more 'grown up' car than the GTI - if that makes sense. No!
This thread is about Mk6 R vs MK5 Ed30 not Mk6 GTi.
It is in the wrong forum!
Calm down dear :grin: run along and take your tablets :kiss:
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I didn't know the mirror dips in reverse either.
Back to topic:
The Mk6 R is in another league both in price and performance to the Mk5 Ed30.
It is better car. :smiley:
It's definitely in a different league price-wise, but real-world performance is not as different I might have hoped for. However, when its wet and slippery, the R is well out in front. And it feels a more 'grown up' car than the GTI - if that makes sense. No!
This thread is about Mk6 R vs MK5 Ed30 not Mk6 GTi.
It is in the wrong forum!
Says he who never strays off topic....... :grin:
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Nobody loves me. :cry:
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Thats cause you've got a GTI, not an R !! :evil:
Only joking mate :wink:
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Nobody loves me. :cry:
I love you Asker , but everyone else thinks your Cnut :laugh:
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Nobody loves me. :cry:
God loves you Asker , but everyone else thinks your Cnut :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Nobody loves me. :cry:
God loves you Asker , but everyone else thinks your Cnut :laugh:
So God loves me and I am useful! :grin:
Steve a big hug and :kiss: for you.
I love you all just as God does. :smiley:
Repent all you sinners and buy Golf Rs as penance! :evil:
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Nobody loves me. :cry:
God loves you Asker , but everyone else thinks your Cnut :laugh:
So God loves me and I am useful! :grin:
Steve a big hug and :kiss: for you.
I love you all just as God does. :smiley:
Repent all you sinners and buy Golf Rs as penance! :evil:
:kiss:
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Just out of interest.. what ever happened to VWKev??? :grin:
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Just out of interest.. what ever happened to VWKev??? :grin:
He's hiding somewhere??? :grin: shall we start up a kev thread?? off topic :undecided:
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Just out of interest.. what ever happened to VWKev??? :grin:
He's hiding somewhere??? :grin: shall we start up a kev thread?? off topic :undecided:
dont think he could handle the come back after his thread of shame!! come out kev wherever you may be!! :rolleyes:
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I do hope he is alive and well and not in prison for GBH! :evil:
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Just out of interest.. what ever happened to VWKev??? :grin:
He's hiding somewhere??? :grin: shall we start up a kev thread?? off topic :undecided:
dont think he could handle the come back after his thread of shame!! come out kev wherever you may be!! :rolleyes:
Last I heard he was getting into cross dressing, GTi gone by the way side :grin: now in off topic missing in action
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VWKev is on an anger management course this week. Don't worry I'm sure he will back soon.
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I think it is all an act. Quite the Lady Macbeth!
He is probably a cute young Scottish boy with lovely shaved legs which he shows off to great effect wearing his mini kilt! :grin:
A butch b!tch! :laugh:
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Careful guys he could be Supergran
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Careful guys he could be Supergran
No. He thinks he is quite cute and has a petit bottom! Made this quite clear in one of his posts!
We're soooooooo off topic. Ssssssoooooorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyy! :grin:
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Off topic, but well worth it.
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Off topic, but well worth it.
We'll probably get handcuffed and whipped by the forum police. They are very hard on humour!
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Hi All
I've had my MkV Ed30 from new - about 2.5 years now, I'm beginning to wonder if it's time for a change. I do really love it but you can have too much of a good thing, you know?
I was wondering, and apologies if I'm repeating previous queries, about getting a MkVI. I probably won't go for a MkVI GTi (even though it looks :kiss: :cool:), 210PS cf 230 etc etc, I'm thinking of plumping for an R instead.
Any thoughts on whether it'd be 'worth' it please? Will I really notice much of a difference?
Also - how much smaller is the R boot compared to a 2wd MkV or MkVI.
Martin
how about an S3. same performance as an R and a bit classier with no compromise on boot space[/
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Magoo. how about an S3? same performance as an R and no compromise on boot space and about same price with more prestege.
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Magoo. how about an S3? same performance as an R and no compromise on boot space and about same price with more prestege.
If you dont mind the greater depreciation and having an older model.
(and the fact its an Audi so everyone will hate you) :grin:
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And hate yourself even more for buying a one dimensional car which has a ride as hard as a corpse on viagra. :sick:
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Magoo. how about an S3? same performance as an R and no compromise on boot space and about same price with more prestege.
If you dont mind the greater depreciation and having an older model.
(and the fact its an Audi so everyone will hate you) :grin:
Greater depreciation :undecided: IMO The R bubble will burst (prices are already falling) were S audis always have a following. Hot golfs get PRICE screemed at them and im sure it will just be looked at as a lower badged S3 in the future sadly.
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Residuals on s3 are among the highest going you only have to look at the price people pay for old examples, golf should be strong but going to be hard to beat the s3.
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Residuals on s3 are among the highest going you only have to look at the price people pay for old examples, golf should be strong but going to be hard to beat the s3.
So what. Still a plain Jane car. Another soulless Audi. :sick:
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I quite like the look of the 3 door S3 myself.
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There was a 59 black 3 door S3 at the VW Service Dept yesterday. Looked tired, old, full of over designed creases. More bread van than hatchback. But that's MO. I've never liked the car especially the vulgar, gaping grille which is an Audi trademark.
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There was a 59 black 3 door S3 at the VW Service Dept yesterday. Looked tired, old, full of over designed creases. More bread van than hatchback. But that's MO. I've never liked the car especially the vulgar, gaping grille which is an Audi trademark.
+1
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There was a 59 black 3 door S3 at the VW Service Dept yesterday. Looked tired, old, full of over designed creases. More bread van than hatchback. But that's MO. I've never liked the car especially the vulgar, gaping grille which is an Audi trademark.
Yeah and now Ford have copied that front grille look on their fugly cars.
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We all have our opinions but how anyone who is spending 30k plus, choose a golf R over an S3 is beyond me. I love the gti mk5 n 6 but come on, the R just does'nt turn heads like an S3 and the badge is the cherry on top. IMO.
The ed 30 is the best looker though.
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I just don't quite get Audi design with their gaping grilles and pregnant duck profiles on most of their cars. They look out of proportion. The A3 Sportback looks like an afterthought and most of their other cars apart from the A5 coupe and the R8 could easily have a successful date with a crusher.
The Mk5 Golfs still look good but I am so glad that VW shied away from gaping grilles on all their Mk6 cars.
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We all have our opinions but how anyone who is spending 30k plus, choose a golf R over an S3 is beyond me. I love the gti mk5 n 6 but come on, the R just does'nt turn heads like an S3 and the badge is the cherry on top. IMO.
The ed 30 is the best looker though.
Disagree. The 5dr S3 looks :sick: and was well overpriced for what it is (hence the HUGE discounts available for the last 3 years). The R is a new shape car, the S3 is old and due to be replaced. The S3 will always be desirable as its easy to tune and has 4WD... but in the looks dept it looses big time. The interior as nice as it was back in 2004 is dated and not as functional as the golf.
... just to add the Golf R is quicker also :cool:
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+1 :smiley:
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S3 in white 3 door is very nice, still looks good even today :drool:
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We all have our opinions but how anyone who is spending 30k plus, choose a golf R over an S3 is beyond me. I love the gti mk5 n 6 but come on, the R just does'nt turn heads like an S3 and the badge is the cherry on top. IMO.
The ed 30 is the best looker though.
You think an S3 turns heads?!?!? What planet are you from?? Anyone who spends £30k plus on that old piece of sht needs their head looking at. They're probably looking at it thinking "I haven't seen one of those Hovis Bread Vans since the fifties".
ITS GROSS and bloody old tech to boot. If someone pays £30k for that crp they are definitely only buying a badge. If someone is just buying a badge, they don't deserve a good car.
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Danno: You have said what I have thought all along. :smiley:
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Let's close this thread. :rolleyes:
Question: Ed30 or Golf R?
Answer: Golf R.
Simples!
Go and buy NOW for Pete's sake!
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Opinions. Opinions. Good job we all have them.
I had a gti mk6 dsg on a 10 plate. I loved that car and thought it could'nt be prettier. Unfortunately i had to reject it cos of a faulty box.
I now have an S3 sportback in white S tronic box.
I agree it not as pretty as the mk6 which was also white but the auto box is far far superior than the dsg and has far better build quality all round.
As i waited 7 months far my mk6 to arrive i spent hours on this forum reading about all the faults and niggles found by owners of the mk6 so there was no way i could take the risk of ordering another golf whether a gti or an R.
So to sum up i think the S3 is better looking than the R but not the gti and the audi box and fit and finish in general is better than the golfs.
PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
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Opinions. Opinions. Good job we all have them.
I had a gti mk6 dsg on a 10 plate. I loved that car and thought it could'nt be prettier. Unfortunately i had to reject it cos of a faulty box.
I now have an S3 sportback in white S tronic box.
I agree it not as pretty as the mk6 which was also white but the auto box is far far superior than the dsg and has far better build quality all round.
As i waited 7 months far my mk6 to arrive i spent hours on this forum reading about all the faults and niggles found by owners of the mk6 so there was no way i could take the risk of ordering another golf whether a gti or an R.
So to sum up i think the S3 is better looking than the R but not the gti and the audi box and fit and finish in general is better than the golfs.
PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
erm no. the s3 and R have virtually the same auto box. If anything the R has a newer version.. "improved" is what they call it.
..and no the S3 is not faster than the R :wink:
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Opinions. Opinions. Good job we all have them.
I had a gti mk6 dsg on a 10 plate. I loved that car and thought it could'nt be prettier. Unfortunately i had to reject it cos of a faulty box.
I now have an S3 sportback in white S tronic box.
I agree it not as pretty as the mk6 which was also white but the auto box is far far superior than the dsg and has far better build quality all round.
As i waited 7 months far my mk6 to arrive i spent hours on this forum reading about all the faults and niggles found by owners of the mk6 so there was no way i could take the risk of ordering another golf whether a gti or an R.
So to sum up i think the S3 is better looking than the R but not the gti and the audi box and fit and finish in general is better than the golfs.
PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
Sorry devito, i didn't know you actually had an S3. Glad you like it.
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Right so here's my two pence worth, dsg and any other gadgets that VW bring out are always used and tested in the golf first , don't agree the s tronic superior to the dsg !! :smug: But do agree s3 is still a nice car the engine feels a bit revy, bit harsh!!
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Right so here's my two pence worth, dsg and any other gadgets that VW bring out are always used and tested in the golf first , don't agree the s tronic superior to the dsg !! :smug: But do agree s3 is still a nice car the engine feels a bit revy, bit harsh!!
thats because its the same box :laugh:
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Why are we discussing a yesterday's car :evil: on a VW thread/forum?
I am one of the worst best at hijacking, but this is adding insult to injury. :rolleyes:
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Right so here's my two pence worth, dsg and any other gadgets that VW bring out are always used and tested in the golf first , don't agree the s tronic superior to the dsg !! :smug: But do agree s3 is still a nice car the engine feels a bit revy, bit harsh!!
thats because its the same box :laugh:
Yea I know :laugh:
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Opinions. Opinions. Good job we all have them.
I had a gti mk6 dsg on a 10 plate. I loved that car and thought it could'nt be prettier. Unfortunately i had to reject it cos of a faulty box.
I now have an S3 sportback in white S tronic box.
I agree it not as pretty as the mk6 which was also white but the auto box is far far superior than the dsg and has far better build quality all round.
As i waited 7 months far my mk6 to arrive i spent hours on this forum reading about all the faults and niggles found by owners of the mk6 so there was no way i could take the risk of ordering another golf whether a gti or an R.
So to sum up i think the S3 is better looking than the R but not the gti and the audi box and fit and finish in general is better than the golfs.
PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
erm no. the s3 and R have virtually the same auto box. If anything the R has a newer version.. "improved" is what they call it.
..and no the S3 is not faster than the R :wink:
I can assure you there is nothing but driver skill in it between a golf R and an S3. I have had 2 have a go and I slightly edged it but they were newer engines which is the only reason i was slightly quicker.
Looks are subjective, i think the mk6 looks like a mini tourag which is a very ugly car. The Audi's interior is far superior to the mk6 though which was made with cost cutting in mind, something the audi isn't.
Also the fact it's going to be replaced means nothing, once the new A3 is out the MK7 will be out so the Golf R will be replaced just as quickly.
Get the ine you like. In the golf people will think you couldn't afford the Audi, in the Audi people will think you are a cock. Depends if you are bothered what people think, S3>ED30 though every day! Golf R>ED30 also.
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What about a Roc R?
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...........PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
You better tell them to retest the S3 used for these track times then
They obviously had an off tune S3 for all three different tracks as the R's times are faster than the S3's at all three tracks :drool: :grin:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html (172nd vs 199th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html (87th vs 129th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track51.html (23rd vs 35th)
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...........PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
You better tell them to retest the S3 used for these track times then
They obviously had an off tune S3 for all three different tracks as the R's times are faster than the S3's at all three tracks :drool: :grin:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html (172nd vs 199th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html (87th vs 129th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track51.html (23rd vs 35th)
Good find Jonnyg :laugh:
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...........PS: the S3 is faster than the R.Yes it is.
You better tell them to retest the S3 used for these track times then
They obviously had an off tune S3 for all three different tracks as the R's times are faster than the S3's at all three tracks :drool: :grin:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html (172nd vs 199th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html (87th vs 129th)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track51.html (23rd vs 35th)
And of course it was the same driver/day/conditions/mileage etc etc
Oh and was it the facelift with the newer halex?
They are identical as they are the same car, the vw just costs more and has a lesser quality interior :lipsrsealed:
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Quite some difference in those figures... i must have just been a audi hater driving :laugh: :grin:
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There is 0.5 secs difference between them in the first link and it states 06 which means the variables are huge (drivers/conditions etc etc) and the S3 is prefecelift with the older haldex.
The golf r is an S3 with a vw badge in a facelift mk5 chassis :smiley: