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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: FroGTI on 13 August 2010, 17:58
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Anyone fitted one of these? I would like just a bit more oomph/bass response, but don't want anything visible...
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Stick a sub and amp in the boot so you cant see it? Difference in oomph/bass is night and day. You dont need anything big to make a huge difference.
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I don't really want to put it in the boot, as I already have VW's space-gobbling compartment divider accessory thing (false floor).
Is there a sticky on here somewhere that tells you how to wire a subwoofer into VW headunits? I have the RNS510.
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Theres prob a how too on the car audio section.
You can get or make a sub box to fit in the left hand side of the boot were the warning triangle etc sits.
Heres a custom one that takes up only that space and no more.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/golfID8v3resizeofdscf1039ua3-2.jpg)
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This is Hurdys boot build from the MK5 section:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=76660.0
Scroll right down to the bottom of his thread.
Went from this:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/BBW1.jpg)
To this:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/BBW36.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/BBW37.jpg)
This is my boot and to be honest, I still have plent of room and they are SO simple to take out (the other week I had to take myself and 4 other people on a wee road trip so the car was rammed so I just took them out for more space). Really isnt that much of an inconvenience.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/DSC09545.jpg)
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Hi Froggy.
Yes I agree with you that the sound system whether Dynaudio or Standard needs a sub bass unit as there is a resonance in the upper bass due to the door cavity. I took my car to Auto Audio in Park Royal, London today. They identified this as the problem and will be installing a sub bass unit in the passanger footwell once this unit is in stock. They won't even have to remove the RNS. When this is installed, the bass tone control on the door speakers can be wound down, thereby allowing them to produce a cleaner upper bass and midrange. They also felt the standard system was powerful enough. I agree. Total cost £350. Well worth it! :smiley:
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Hi Froggy.
Yes I agree with you that the sound system whether Dynaudio or Standard needs a sub bass unit as there is a resonance in the upper bass due to the door cavity. I took my car to Auto Audio in Park Royal, London today. They identified this as the problem and will be installing a sub bass unit in the passanger footwell once this unit is in stock. They won't even have to remove the RNS. When this is installed, the bass tone control on the door speakers can be wound down, thereby allowing them to produce a cleaner upper bass and midrange. They also felt the standard system was powerful enough. I agree. Total cost £350. Well worth it! :smiley:
Hi amw1, I like the sound of that (pardon the punt). Please keep us posted how you get on with this.
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Hi amw1, I like the sound of that (pardon the punt). Please keep us posted how you get on with this.
Having it fitted next week.
Will post pictures and details when it is done. :smiley:
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Your golf could be running 350bhp with the amount of money uve spent on crap imo lol.
Seriously why dont u start tuning it makes the car 1000times more fun when you have that yard of extra pace.
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Wow, those custom jobs look superb. I don't think I have the skills or the time to do as good a job as that, but I might give it a go over the winter, so thanks for the links :smiley:
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Your golf could be running 350bhp with the amount of money uve spent on crap imo lol.
Seriously why dont u start tuning it makes the car 1000times more fun when you have that yard of extra pace.
Now here is a guy who flapped his car and is removing them for Kev to buy and enjoy his sloppy seconds! :evil:
I don't know who you are addressing, but my car is fast enough for me. I don't want 350 bhp and I will leave this to you with great generosity. :grin:
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Your golf could be running 350bhp with the amount of money uve spent on crap imo lol.
Seriously why dont u start tuning it makes the car 1000times more fun when you have that yard of extra pace.
350hp in a FWD hatchback? Er, no thanks. The 275hp stage one tune is already too much, IMO.
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Your golf could be running 350bhp with the amount of money uve spent on crap imo lol.
Seriously why dont u start tuning it makes the car 1000times more fun when you have that yard of extra pace.
350hp in a FWD hatchback? Er, no thanks. The 275hp stage one tune is already too much, IMO.
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I think he is a tyre shredder and it's all to do with anger management. :grin:
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I did the best part of 62k miles in my Mk5 ED30 running stage 2+ (dyno'ed at 363bhp) and it's was a perfectly civilized car when you wanted it to be and an animal when you didn't :evil:
It's all about the other mods you do with it, just leaving the suspension and brakes as stock and you will have a big problem :shocked:
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Your golf could be running 350bhp with the amount of money uve spent on crap imo lol.
Seriously why dont u start tuning it makes the car 1000times more fun when you have that yard of extra pace.
350hp in a FWD hatchback? Er, no thanks. The 275hp stage one tune is already too much, IMO.
Spot on + 1
I wouldnt say too much but I would say enough.
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Spot on + 1
I wouldnt say too much but I would say enough.
OK then, we'll agree on 'enough'. It is nice to have the power on tap, but I would trade 20 or 30hp for greater smoothness on the DSG 'box. A couple of years ago, I had a BMW 330d and that was remapped to give about the same hp as my GTI, but being RWD meant it was far more usable (and its 'proper' auto box was way better than the DSG...). Just my €2 :smiley:
Ooops, drifting off topic here. Good job it's my own thread :grin:
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I sit in my GTI and think its slow to be brutally honest. even with the remap. It wont be long till my tight arse pays for a new exhaust and take mine up to stage 2, Even then ill be happy for a month or so then ill be bored again, At which point ill be looking at a bigger turbo, Or a new car
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I sit in my GTI and think its slow to be brutally honest. even with the remap. It wont be long till my tight arse pays for a new exhaust and take mine up to stage 2, Even then ill be happy for a month or so then ill be bored again, At which point ill be looking at a bigger turbo, Or a new car
Hijack galore. :rolleyes:
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I sit in my GTI and think its slow to be brutally honest. even with the remap. It wont be long till my tight arse pays for a new exhaust and take mine up to stage 2, Even then ill be happy for a month or so then ill be bored again, At which point ill be looking at a bigger turbo, Or a new car
Mate, you are driving the wrong car... +300bhp in a fwd - not for me.
I am a believer in keeping cars standard, if you want faster why didn't you just buy a stock car with 400+bhp (v8m3, c63amg etc...) that can use the power? Rather than maxpowering up a GTI? :rolleyes:
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Back to topic!
Froggy, the unit is a Pioneer active sub-woofer which costs approx £250, I think. It will be mostly invisibly mounted in the front passenger footwell. Will know more week after next.
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350hp in a FWD hatchback? Er, no thanks. The 275hp stage one tune is already too much, IMO.
Steady on...400 BHP would be a walk in the park.
The throttle isn't a switch...it can be modulated...and if the map is tuned to be soft when coming on boost, traction isn't as much of an issue as people make out.
I've driven several 360+ BHP FWD cars with a far lesser chassis than the Golf Mk5/6 that manage just fine.
EDIT,
Oops...should have read further down...
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Back to topic!
Froggy, the unit is a Pioneer active sub-woofer which costs approx £250, I think. It will be mostly invisibly mounted in the front passenger footwell. Will know more week after next.
I believe it will be one of these: -
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-WX11A/index.html
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx11a_1_gallery.jpg)
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Back to topic!
Froggy, the unit is a Pioneer active sub-woofer which costs approx £250, I think. It will be mostly invisibly mounted in the front passenger footwell. Will know more week after next.
I believe it will be one of these: -
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-WX11A/index.html
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx11a_1_gallery.jpg)
They have not told me which one as there are also 2 other compact ones.
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The TS-WX22A or WX210A are unlikely to fit under the seat IMHO, but one of these is the one I am likely to be going for a in a couple of weeks myself, I want it vertically mounted in the boot.
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx201a_main_gallery.jpg)
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx210a_instal_gallery.jpg)
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Clever Clogs.
It's one of these two.
Possibly the second one as it is a 2010 model.
Solved the DRL problem? :grin:
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It's on the list, awaiting a reply from Rosstech :smiley:
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It's on the list, awaiting a reply from Rosstech :smiley:
Thanks Steve.
You clever cloggs. It's one of those two. :smiley:
Yes, I am sure the sub will clean things up. Mine is going into the front passanger footwell as it will sound pretty good and effective from there.
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One word of caution of subs in the boot. There could be some horrible bass resonances which would be difficult to control even with the supplied remote tone control. A much cleaner bass will be obtaned if mounted inside the passanger cell.
One will have to reduce the bass output from the door speakers using the RNS bass cut to reduce the upper bass resonances. The sub will take these over.
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The boot mounting helps reduce tacktile feel due to location. I have only ever heard one car in the world (it was fully custom built interior and a world sound quality champion) were front mounted subwoofer/s worked correctly due to tactile feel. Have to remember the cars cabin is not large enough for the wave to be produced fully so it becomes much harder to locate (unless the sub has lots of harmonics or you have the level far too high). Its why its much harder to locate bass in a cars cabin then a large room at home for example.
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Hmm, I wonder if this one could be made to fit in the fire extinguisher hole?
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx210a_instal_gallery.jpg)
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The boot mounting helps reduce tacktile feel due to location. I have only ever heard one car in the world (it was fully custom built interior and a world sound quality champion) were front mounted subwoofer/s worked correctly due to tactile feel. Have to remember the cars cabin is not large enough for the wave to be produced fully so it becomes much harder to locate (unless the sub has lots of harmonics or you have the level far too high). Its why its much harder to locate bass in a cars cabin then a large room at home for example.
Not big enough inside to produce the standing wave.
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Hmm, I wonder if this one could be made to fit in the fire extinguisher hole?
(http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/carspeakers/pioneer/tswx210a_instal_gallery.jpg)
There is also one by Pioneer you can place inside your spare wheel! :smiley:
http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-WX610A/index.html
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There is also one by Pioneer you can place inside your spare wheel! :smiley:
That would be ideal, but I have that compartment divider box thingy in my boot full of clutter and I'd be worried it blocked out much of the bass.
I think I will end up attempting one of those fibre glass custom jobs, if I can source some matching carpet.
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There is also one by Pioneer you can place inside your spare wheel! :smiley:
That would be ideal, but I have that compartment divider box thingy in my boot full of clutter and I'd be worried it blocked out much of the bass.
I think I will end up attempting one of those fibre glass custom jobs, if I can source some matching carpet.
I heard the Pioneer sub in the footwell of a BMW whilst I was there at Auto Audio. It was quite a revelation.
Do you have Dynaudio in your car?
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Do you have Dynaudio in your car?
Nah, just the stock setup. TBH, it's bassy enough, but I just can't help tweaking my car :embarassed: I should get the bass in my Transit van sorted first, that's really feeble, despite installing bigger Focal speakers in the doors.
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Do you have Dynaudio in your car?
Nah, just the stock setup. TBH, it's bassy enough, but I just can't help tweaking my car :embarassed: I should get the bass in my Transit van sorted first, that's really feeble, despite installing bigger Focal speakers in the doors.
The standard set-up is excellent. Very good mid-range and treble. The only problem is the upper-bass resonance from the door mounted speakers, most noticable on classical music. Once the bass is cut using the RNS bass control, the sub can take over and produce good clean bass and upper-bass and release the door speakers to produce even cleaner mid-range. :smiley:
Focal speakers are very good and made in France. Their high-end Hi-Fi loudspeakers are simply amazing. British designer! :smiley:
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Finally got around to test fitting mine today
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3009.jpg)
Will be properly wired up on Monday :smiley:
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Steve, what is the red thing to the left of the sub? I have got the strap there but that's it!! Thanks :smiley:
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Hi MrP,
Most curious to know how it integrates with the rest of the system.
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Steve, what is the red thing to the left of the sub? I have got the strap there but that's it!! Thanks :smiley:
Warning triangle.
As for the sub, I decided to get the bass on my Transit van sorted first. It's woeful and will also mean I can practise a bit before I think about ripping the GTI's interior to bits. I have ordered this Kenwood sub, as it fits perfectly between the van's front seats:
(http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/4/kenwood-ksc-sw10.jpg)
I will be interested to hear your views on the Pioneer, Steve.
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Hope to have mine fitted this Friday in the front passenger footwell.
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Got mine wired up this morning and wow what a difference :shocked:
For the size it provides a good level of sharp and punchy bass while still coping with the longer deeper tones :nerd:
Certainly worth the minimal price I paid for it on eBay.
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I'm going to have to get in on this subwoofer action.... it sounds like a relatively cheap and effective mod to do :smiley:
Can anyone recommend a specilist for fitting the subwoofer in the Sussex or SW london?
Thanks
M
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ive got a buddy who actually mod'd the vw space saver thingy to put a sub in and it works and looks great, i'll try to get a picture uploaded
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Some pics of the install
From this: -
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/DSCF3020.jpg)
To this: -
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Stevep_010/0116b54b.jpg)
Sounds even better now it's fixed to the boot floor, but is still removable within a minute or so as it fixed to mounting brackets with wing nuts and then the loom just unclips from the back :smiley:
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Very neat Mr.P. :smiley:
I will put mine inside (passanger footwell) as soon as I can get to the fitters.
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Quick question Steve:
Did you have to remove the RNS to connect the wiring loom from the Sub?
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It depends on how your installer is going to wire it.
Personally I would always rather remove the RNS to make the audio connections there rather than trying to pickup the signal either on route or at the speakers.
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It depends on how your installer is going to wire it.
Personally I would always rather remove the RNS to make the audio connections there rather than trying to pickup the signal either on route or at the speakers.
Ok. I tend to agree with your method.
However, they want to do the latter from what I gathered.
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Given how easy it is to safely remove the RNS it's a no brainer to me.
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Given how easy it is to safely remove the RNS it's a no brainer to me.
Thanks. I've even got a spare brand new faceplate cover in case of damage! :nerd:
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Can I ask how much that cost you am1w?
I broke a couple of clips off mine when installing the RNS but it went back on just as tight even with the clips missing but I might be persuaded to buy another one.
Do you also have a parts number?
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Can I ask how much that cost you am1w?
I broke a couple of clips off mine when installing the RNS but it went back on just as tight even with the clips missing but I might be persuaded to buy another one.
Do you also have a parts number?
It's the only invoice I have not filed. It's in the car which is parked down the road..
Cost approx £16 + VAT.
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According to ETKA, the part number is "5K0 858 061 E 1QB" and is £12.94+vat :smiley:
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Thanks am1w
Cheers Mike.
That's okay as I thought it might be something ridiculous as VW realise its an item that might be replaced by a few folk.
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Thanks am1w
Cheers Mike.
That's okay as I thought it might be something ridiculous as VW realise its an item that might be replaced by a few folk.
Part No W5K0 858 061 E1 QB (033151/TRIM)
Cost £12.94 + VAT :smiley:
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Cheers mate. :wink:
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I broke a couple of clips off mine when installing the RNS but it went back on just as tight even with the clips missing...
I used Araldite to secure the clips I snapped off. Couple of days in the airing cupboard and they're a lot more secure than the crappy melted plastic method VW use. If it's in your DIY kit it might save you a few quid...
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The RNS is a doddle to remove, but those clips break really easily. I had to remove mine twice and I think there are only about 3 of the 12 or so clips left intact :cry: I think I might invest in a new surround if I have to remove the unit again.
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As I said above, I decided to sort the bass out on my Transit van first, as it was really poor (despite my having already installed better door speakers).
I finished the install this morning, very pleased with the result. The sound is much meatier, but not stupidly deafening. The remote is useful as it allows you to trim the response to as little or as much as you want. The trickiest part of the install was, as I suspected, splicing into the speaker output wires at the back of the head unit. There is so little space that I was only able to do the driver's side speaker (the instructions tell you to get a feed from both left and right speakers for better balance). Other than that, it was just a case of following the instructions and finding a permanent positive (battery), ignition on positive and a negative. Having said that, the Transit is far easier to work on than the Golf, because it's built like a 19th century traction engine with loads of space everywhere, accessible screws, humungous bolts and easily removable trim. Also, I'm not nearly so fussy about how the finished result looks - it's a van! :grin:
Here's a quick picture. Not much to look at, but it shows how discreet the install is. You really don't notice it unless you get down on your hands & knees to look under the seats (obviously the sub would have to be located elsewhere in the Golf). I strapped the sub to the passenger seat frame (like the Golf, my van is LHD :smiley:) to avoid drilling through the floor and to make for easy removal on selling the van. It does make the passenger seat vibrate a bit, but I won't be blasting music when I carry passengers anyway. You can also see the slab of compressed foam I fashioned from an old boot liner to cushion the sub against the frame.
I am interested to hear how you others have got on with your subs...
(http://www.garagetech.fr/gti/tran_sub.jpg)
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Sorry, double post :embarassed:
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I have the Pioneer wx-11a fitted in my Yeti (510-alike headunit).
Got a blaupunkt plug-and-play amp / loom - this amps all the standard speakers plus gives a line out to drive the active sub.
Fitted myself - not one wire needed cutting - sounds a lot better than stock.
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Hi am1w, did you get that Pioneer sub fitted to the passenger footwell. Is the difference worth the outlay. Any chance of some pics! Thanks
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Hi am1w, did you get that Pioneer sub fitted to the passenger footwell. Is the difference worth the outlay. Any chance of some pics! Thanks
Wanted to get it done last Friday, but work got in the way.
Will try again for this Friday and will post comments and pictures. :smiley:
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Unfortunately, cannot have my sub-woofer installed tomorrow as all the units that the Fitters got were faulty. More of these Pioneer units will be in next week, so will have to wait for these patiently.
Heard SteveP's sub-woofer + Dynaudio system yesterday. The sub has transformed the sound quality of the system and it is much more to his and my liking. Now really very good. A very worthwhile upgrade IMO.
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Fitted my Pioneer TS-WX11A sub-woofer under the passanger seat today.
Brilliant job by Auto Audio in Park Royal, London.
Delighted with the improvement in sound quality.
It is so well hidden and the angle so difficult, I cannot post a picture unfortunately. :sad:
A worthwhile upgrade IMO.
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Why no pics? Be good to see how it turned out.
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Once I learn some serious gymnastics, I will attempt to take a picture. Sorry for now.
The sub-woofer installation has improved the mid and treble clarity no end. I've had to turn down the mid and treble. There is now so much clarity in the lower bass and upper bass. There is also a worthwhile increase in overall detail. Love it.
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Fitted my Pioneer TS-WX11A sub-woofer under the passanger seat today.
Brilliant job by Auto Audio in Park Royal, London.
Delighted with the improvement in sound quality.
It is so well hidden and the angle so difficult, I cannot post a picture unfortunately. :sad:
A worthwhile upgrade IMO.
Hello
did they fit the Pioneer TS-WX11A sub-woofer to the RNS510??
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Yes they did. Fabulous sound.
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Yes they did. Fabulous sound.
where do you buy R xenons?
is this something http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-BI-XENON-SCHEINWERFER-GOLF-6-VI-R-Line-/350355949007?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item5192d785cf (http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-BI-XENON-SCHEINWERFER-GOLF-6-VI-R-Line-/350355949007?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item5192d785cf)?
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Have not bought them yet.
Your site is a good one for LHD cars. For RHD cars it is Tuning- Fanatics or sk-multishop. Both on German ebay. However, their prices are only for the housings.
My preference for RHD cars is Tuning-Fanatics.
(Woopsy: Using the Blackberry so got it wrong ... a bit!)
For LHD cars Autoteile privides complete Bi-Xenons ready for fitting.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
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For LHD cars Autoteile privides complete Bi-Xenons ready for fitting.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
Lets just fit LHD xenons at that price! :rolleyes:
They come with EVERYTHING needed??? Controllers and everything?
Kenny
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For LHD cars Autoteile privides complete Bi-Xenons ready for fitting.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
Lets just fit LHD xenons at that price! :rolleyes:
They come with EVERYTHING needed??? Controllers and everything?
Kenny
This is soo off topic. Sorry!
Yes, they do include everything for 845,00 Euro. They are a complete set.
I have e-mailed Hasan who runs this company 5 times asking him to get RHD versions, but he has not replied. He only seels LHD versions even though the serial nos are the same for both. All very odd.
I think I will have to call him.
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For LHD cars Autoteile privides complete Bi-Xenons ready for fitting.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-VW-Golf-6-VI-GTI-R-Line-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-/120613828053?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1524f5d5
Lets just fit LHD xenons at that price! :rolleyes:
They come with EVERYTHING needed??? Controllers and everything?
Kenny
Yes they do include everything for 845,00 Euro. They are a complete set.
I have e-mailed Hasan who runs this company 5 times asking him to get RHD versions, but he has not replied. He only seels LHD versions even though the serial nos are the same for both. All very odd.
I think I will have to call him.
Nerd question; what is the difference between RHD and LHD xenon's?????? :embarassed:
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Nerd question; what is the difference between RHD and LHD xenon's?????? :embarassed:
I'd guess the way the beam points. i.e. if you get the wrong LHD or RHD then you will be pointing directly to oncoming traffic.
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Nerd question; what is the difference between RHD and LHD xenon's?????? :embarassed:
I'd guess the way the beam points. i.e. if you get the wrong LHD or RHD then you will be pointing directly to oncoming traffic.
Is this something you can arrange with the vag.com cable??
When you lower the car you can adjust the lights with vag.com.
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Once I learn some serious gymnastics, I will attempt to take a picture. Sorry for now.
The sub-woofer installation has improved the mid and treble clarity no end. I've had to turn down the mid and treble. There is now so much clarity in the lower bass and upper bass. There is also a worthwhile increase in overall detail. Love it.
Hi am1w
Sounds like this could be for me also - one question -is the sub bolted to the floor near the front of the seat between 2 sections of raised floor,i.e. next to the floor mats - just wondering as this is where the amplifier is fitted on dynaudio equipped cars (covered by a plastic shroud) - in which case there might not be room ? - the plastic shroud over the amp is level with the 2 raised floor sections.
Any thoughts ?
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MEZZA22:
I don't know where the Dynaudio amp is fitted, but the Pioneer sub-woofer is a perfect fit, and I do mean perfect, under the passanger seat. Fits perfectly between the seat rails and right up to the seat edge even when the seat is as far back as possible. The floor under the seat has a ridge half-way down and the sub-woofer fits right up to this. It is as if it was designed for the Golf! What luck!
PS: My sub is not bolted to the floor but is very secure using velcro as the company did not want to do any drilling.
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MEZZA22:
I don't know where the Dynaudio amp is fitted, but the Pioneer sub-woofer is a perfect fit, and I do mean perfect, under the passanger seat. Fits perfectly between the seat rails and right up to the seat edge even when the seat is as far back as possible. The floor under the seat has a ridge half-way down and the sub-woofer fits right up to this. It is as if it was designed for the Golf! What luck!
PS: My sub is not bolted to the floor but is very secure using velcro as the company did not want to do any drilling.
Thanks for the reply - just to clarify,the ridge you mention half way down,is the sub fitted forwards
of this or behind it i.e.to the rear of the car -i,m guessing in front of it,in which case I might need to
have a re-think as this is where my dynaudio amp is fitted !!
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The sub is fitted in front of the ridge on the flat floor under the seat i.e. under the forward section of the seat. :smiley:
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When I have some time, I am going to use some pink, white noise and tone sweeps to set-up the whole system using a Bruel and Kjaer sound level meter with 1/3 octave band filters, plus some listening tests to finely balance the system to my taste. Will need to balance the system when the car is mobile so have to get a pal to operate some of the stuff. :rolleyes:
Over to you Snoops! :smiley:
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The sub is fitted in front of the ridge on the flat floor under the seat i.e. under the forward section of the seat. :smiley:
Thanks for that,just as I thought - might think about Steve P's method as he has dynaudio - didn't you mention
you had heard his - how does it compare to your set up ?
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The sub is fitted in front of the ridge on the flat floor under the seat i.e. under the forward section of the seat. :smiley:
Thanks for that,just as I thought - might think about Steve P's method as he has dynaudio - didn't you mention
you had heard his - how does it compare to your set up ?
Right, you are going to get me into real sh!t if I get this post wrong.
I heard Steve's system without the sub-woofer and it was not to my liking. Told him so at the time. The sub-woofer has transformed it. No doubt. It sounds smooth, dynamic and very clean. Loved it. No question an absolutely worthwhile upgrade. It is now a really great sounding system. I loved it. He needs to get some good Classical CDs to show it off! :evil:
Regarding mine: Well, without the sub there was a horrible upper bass boom with no bass extension. The mid-range clarity was hopeless as the paper coned bass-mid speakers tried to do too much. The sound was too mushy. It was a bit, how should I put it, oh well, fcuked! But I felt it to be better than the Dynaudio for my ears. :evil: :evil:+
With my system, and with the installation of the underseat sub-woofer, the transformation is truly incredible. Probably more so than with Steve's system. But this is only an educated (? :rolleyes: :smiley:) guess as I have not heard them side by side. The bass is very clean and extended. I can hear the bass notes sounding rythmic for the first time and the mid and high freqs are truly clean and quite beguiling. The system has fabulous attack and is very exciting yet musical. The upper bass honk has disappeared completely. But the most significant change has been the unbelievable improvement in treble extension and clarity together with a highly detailed mid-range.
Both systems have been transformed with the sub-woofer installation.
Go for it, NOW.
So this is my answer and you may or may not read between the lines. Both sound really good, at last. But I spent less and got a sub placed inside the car, just where I wanted it. :grin:
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I forgot ...
The sub-woofer can also be installed in the passanger footwell. This was the other option. I went to Auto Audio in Park Royal, London.
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The dynaudio amp is under the passenger seat so any new sub would need to go under the driver seat or in the boot as in MrP's car.
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I forgot ...
The sub-woofer can also be installed in the passanger footwell. This was the other option. I went to Auto Audio in Park Royal, London.
Cheers for that - did auto audio say exactly where they could have put it in the passenger footwell,
i.e. would it have been visible ? - I,m thinking sort of under the glovebox area ? - guess the best bet is to pop down to my local car audio specialist for advice/options
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Yes, around the glove box area. It would be practically invisible. My only worry was that the bass power would produce unwanted rattles/vibrations.
All the best.
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The sub is fitted in front of the ridge on the flat floor under the seat i.e. under the forward section of the seat. :smiley:
Thanks for that,just as I thought - might think about Steve P's method as he has dynaudio - didn't you mention
you had heard his - how does it compare to your set up ?
Right, you are going to get me into real sh!t if I get this post wrong.
I heard Steve's system without the sub-woofer and it was not to my liking. Told him so at the time. The sub-woofer has transformed it. No doubt. It sounds smooth, dynamic and very clean. Loved it. No question an absolutely worthwhile upgrade. It is now a really great sounding system. I loved it. He needs to get some good Classical CDs to show it off! :evil:
Regarding mine: Well, without the sub there was a horrible upper bass boom with no bass extension. The mid-range clarity was hopeless as the paper coned bass-mid speakers tried to do too much. The sound was too mushy. It was a bit, how should I put it, oh well, fcuked! But I felt it to be better than the Dynaudio for my ears. :evil: :evil:+
With my system, and with the installation of the underseat sub-woofer, the transformation is truly incredible. Probably more so than with Steve's system. But this is only an educated (? :rolleyes: :smiley:) guess as I have not heard them side by side. The bass is very clean and extended. I can hear the bass notes sounding rythmic for the first time and the mid and high freqs are truly clean and quite beguiling. The system has fabulous attack and is very exciting yet musical. The upper bass honk has disappeared completely. But the most significant change has been the unbelievable improvement in treble extension and clarity together with a highly detailed mid-range.
Both systems have been transformed with the sub-woofer installation.
Go for it, NOW.
So this is my answer and you may or may not read between the lines. Both sound really good, at last. But I spent less and got a sub placed inside the car, just where I wanted it. :grin:
Sounds good - do you know how they they wired this in to the factory head-unit since there's no input for a sub?
Also surely any improvement in treble and mid-range is an illusion if you haven't made any other changes? IE amping / changing the standard speakers..? I mean no disrespect BTW I'm just thinking of what upgrade path to take myself, and if the the speakers don't need to be changed your route seems quite cost effective. That pioneer sub has it's own amp correct? So surely the factory speakers running off the head unit will be producing the exact same sound as before? It's not even as if they are relieved of there bass duties as surely they have no way of knowing there's a sub fitted. Unless you've made some other changes also?
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Bass control on the RNS 510 is reduced to near max, the sub's crossover freq and level adjusted to get a good balanced sound. As the bass-mid door speakers are not producing much bass anymore, the whole system sounds cleaner and seems to go louder with less distortion.
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When I have some time, I am going to use some pink, white noise and tone sweeps to set-up the whole system using a Bruel and Kjaer sound level meter with 1/3 octave band filters, plus some listening tests to finely balance the system to my taste. Will need to balance the system when the car is mobile so have to get a pal to operate some of the stuff. :rolleyes:
Over to you Snoops! :smiley:
You want greater than 1/3 octave in my experience as thats an absolute minimum. I also recomend you do it while stationary, theres too many variables when moving. Also varie the mic position by moving it in a figure of 8 configuration at ypur ear levels and set it to continuisly sample and take an average as mics are not as good at collecting the sound as your ears and give false readings from some reflections/absorbed frequencys if only sampled in one place. Tune right side then left side independently so fade left then to the right first, Then adjust together and adjust frequencys to centre the image. Most road noise can be compensated for by boosting a few of the frequencys below 300Hz thats the easy part. Or simple buy an MS-8 and insert it into your system it does 98% of what i can do with a pro 80band plus parametric in 5 weeks constant tuning in about 5 minutes of autotune it makes a huge difference to even an oem system tone and imaging.