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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: al_bey on 10 August 2010, 21:34
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Does anyone know if there is something for sale on the market for the splash guard that prevents the PAS / Auxilary Belts from getting wet? My car did not come with one.............
Cheers
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Ah, now this is interesting. I've had the same problem with belt slippage in wet weather on my 16v. I don't know if anyone's tackled this problem before but I do a bit of aluminium panel beating and have considered making a guard for my car. Does anyone reckon there would be any call for replicas if I could design and make something?
S.M.
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I reckon their is money to be made in this!! There are blatently a lot of mk3's out there with exactly the same issue. I have a line of spray up my bonnet from where water hits the belts, i think this has lead to my water pump failing.........
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Some TDi' had an under tray that would help.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:o_vjEpNM3lwM-M:http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5513/dsc07020v.jpg&t=1)
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Right, I might just have a little look at it this. Knock up a hammerform, tap tap tap, shouldn't be too mega hard to sort (note famous last words there...) :grin:
S.M.
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i'd be interested if the price is right :shocked:
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So would I...........
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Do you guys still have the plastic cover that sits to the left (looking at the front of the car) of the PAS pump & belt? I havent had issues in the wet yet.
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i'd be interested if the price is right :shocked:
Ok, bit of market research here. What would people regard as "the right price" for this kind of part? No comedy answers please as I will genuinely need to work out whether this is economically viable. Also any further news on the plastic cover A8vgti refers to would be good. Don't want to go re-inventing the wheel here!
S.M.
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I believe the plastic cover was originally fitted but came off quite easily. Mine was dragging on the floor but tied it back on with cable ties...as A8vgti said, it covers the left of the belts and also underneath them but only slightly.
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The plastic cover is still available from VW about £20 I think.
It looks like its designed to stop water spraying up from the wheel.
The diesel undertray is a lot more expensive and I don't know if thats still available. I've got one fitted on my 16v but it was on there when I bought the car.
Paul
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id be up for one! i rolled my old mk3 on a roundabout in the wet when it wouldnt turn!
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Got on to my local 'Dub dealers today and, fair do's to them, they knew the splash guard I was on about. They're still available but you pay for the privilege. In fact you pay £29.42 for the privilege :shocked: Also rang GSF but they say they can't get the guards, they're dealer only. So basically it's £30 to Wolfsburg or a wet P/S belt, unless I can dream up a cheaper alternative. I'll get thinking...
S.M.
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Got on to my local 'Dub dealers today and, fair do's to them, they knew the splash guard I was on about. They're still available but you pay for the privilege. In fact you pay £29.42 for the privilege :shocked: Also rang GSF but they say they can't get the guards, they're dealer only. So basically it's £30 to Wolfsburg or a wet P/S belt, unless I can dream up a cheaper alternative. I'll get thinking...
S.M.
Breakers yard? Second hand?
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Good point but as people seem to be suggesting that these guards often parted company with the parent vehicle quite early in life, are that many of them going to be knocking around second hand?
S.M.
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Good point but as people seem to be suggesting that these guards often parted company with the parent vehicle quite early in life, are that many of them going to be knocking around second hand?
S.M.
Would think so. Ive got 3 golfs at the moment and they all have them fitted. I think that there the same on all models aswell so doesnt have to be the same specific model as yours. I cant see them falling off to easily. More likely removed at the garage and forgotten to be put back on.
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Well ultimately it makes no odds whether they reside in the nation's hedgerows or in slack garage's scrap bins. It seems people who want them are not finding them and that includes me. I fancy having a go at making one and if it works and if anyone's interested, I'll make more than one. Then, in exchange for a small donation to my petrol fund, I'll share the splash guard love.
S.M.
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I have just fitted my new wheels and noticed my under tray is only just holding on.
It has 3 studs from the car and only 1 of the nuts is left on mine. Anyone got any idea what size threads these are, I need to sort it soon or it will end up in the hedge like all the others.
Cheers
Thebassman
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Ive had 3 mk3's and not had a guard fitted on any of em, ive also recently had trouble with the belt getting splashed and the wheels not wanting to turn so id be interested in one!!
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Just a quick post to say I haven't forgotten about this. Exploritory measuring/tinkering/ar*e scratching and the saying of "hmmm..." have all been taking place!
S.M.
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I have a splash guard... It's clipped on like your heat shields are. :smiley:
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iv got the standard small waste of time splash guard and a FULL under engine cover on mine :smug:
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Ok, latest news. Finally got to work on Project Splashguard. Prototype guard is well on the way to being ready to fit and start testing. Obviously want to run it on my car for a bit before I turn it loose on the wider world.
S.M.
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Thats good to hear mate! My power steering has decided to stop working in the wet on a few occasions just lately, its quite worrying. :undecided:
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My 2p :smiley:
The splash gaurd works fine if your pulleys are not worn out.
Metal gaurds do not spring back out when they take an impact, so have to be very rigid and fixed properly. (bending them backout at the roadside :sad:)
Plastic ones spring back out and detach rather than gouge all of your belts to oblivion.
Diesel tray ftw if you have to :smiley:
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My 2p :smiley:
The splash gaurd works fine if your pulleys are not worn out.
Metal gaurds do not spring back out when they take an impact, so have to be very rigid and fixed properly. (bending them backout at the roadside :sad:)
Plastic ones spring back out and detach rather than gouge all of your belts to oblivion.
Diesel tray ftw if you have to :smiley:
Can't really personally comment on the efficiency of the original guard as I haven't got one. Other people don't seem to reckon it much though. As for impact resistance, fair point in theory but where are these impacts coming from? My ally guard should be well up to the odd stone hitting it but if you want more than that I can only assume you're going rallying in which case all bets are off. Don't muck about with either my efforts or VW's, what you need is a proper steel sump guard/under shield for that kind of work. Your comment about proper fixing is quite correct. I fully anticipate that perfecting bracketry is going to take up a fair bit of development time and for that reason, all the brackets on the prototype guard are separate pieces bolted into place to facilitate modifications as necessary.
S.M.
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Not knocking you Mr Moose, Ive dabbled with belt covers and the like and know whats involved.
Its a fine balance between strong enough to to do the job and bloody nightmare to remove and change your belt.
If you are competant with your hands then go for it and show your creation off :smiley:
but if your belt slips and you just want it fixed, a new belt and pulley under the plastic cover is a sure fix.
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If you are competant with your hands then go for it and show your creation off :smiley:
Me, show off? Nooo sir, the very soul of understated discretion me! :grin:
S.M.
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Well here it is, the prototype splash guard.
(http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab42/stirringmoose/SplashGuard1.jpg)
(http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab42/stirringmoose/SplashGuard2.jpg)
(http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab42/stirringmoose/SplashGuard3.jpg)
Just got it mounted on my car today so not much testing yet, only about 12 miles total. Will keep everyone informed of progress but any feedback based on the photos is welcome.
S.M.
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Looks good :afro:
How low is it though? Kind of hard to see from the pics :undecided:
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Doesn't hang out very far. About level with the sump from memory. Will have a measure and get you some figures.
S.M.
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Looks good mate, how is it attatched? You'll have to keep us updated on the testing, need some very wet weather now for a thorough test!
Cheers
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Doesn't hang out very far. About level with the sump from memory. Will have a measure and get you some figures.
S.M.
:afro: Just wondering about the dangers of ripping it off on speedbumps etc
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Looks good mate, how is it attatched? You'll have to keep us updated on the testing, need some very wet weather now for a thorough test!
Cheers
It has two points of attachment. The primary mounting is a bracket on the guard which is bolted to the big steel mounting plate for the P/S pump. It also has a small auxilliary support bracket which hooks over the front mounting pin for the original VW guard. This second mount is deliberately flexible to allow for the movement of the engine relative to the chassis. May yet be able to delete this mount as the main bracket has turned out much stiffer and stronger than I thought it would. One thing I haven't been able to check so far though is what if anything will need to change to mount the assembly on an 8v GTI - it has been built to fit my 16v. Hoping to lay my mits on an 8v for an hour or so soon for a trial fitting.
S.M.
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Looks fookin ace that mate...
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Ok, latest news. Have double checked height. Lowest point of guard sits about 10mm higher than lowest point of sump so shouldn't be any issues there. Also the prototype guard is continuing to rack up miles under my Golf. Took it out in the wet today and can report zero belt slippage issues which is encouraging. Couple of little issues have arisen though. One is a small rattle/buzzing but I think I've already traced that and it's an easy fix. The other is that, although it stops water getting at the belt, it does collect the odd splash from puddles etc. Therefore a small drainage hole may be required. The trick then will be to stop water going in through the hole as well as out!
S.M.
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Nice effort.
Think getting a tdi under tray would be a easier option.
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Nice effort.
Think getting a tdi under tray would be a easier option.
Possibly but it is a much more expensive option. If there's enough interest to make it worth tooling up, I'm hoping to produce my guard for less than VW charge for the small original item, never mind a TDI tray.
S.M.
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Just checking in! Have dealt with the two little issues that have cropped up so far. Had the guard off last night for a quick inspection and it still looks healthy.
S.M.
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That look ace mate, good job!
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Think you could be onto a winner here ill keep my eye on this :wink:
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When will you be making more of these then? i'm interested in getting one!!
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When will you be making more of these then? i'm interested in getting one!!
I'll hopefully start looking towards a small initial production run once the prototype has clocked enough miles under my 16v to prove itself up to the job. I also want to get it hooked up under an 8v just to check there are no issues there. I'm really pleased that there are a few of you guys taking a real interest, but I don't want to rush things and send out a half developed product.
S.M.
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I'd be interested in getting one as well for my 8v, been slipping quite a bit recently in the rain
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I'd be interested in one if the price is right and the final product works well.
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I'd be interested in one if the price is right and the final product works well.
+1 add me to the list of potential buyers :smiley:
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+1
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Do I get the first one for starting the thread? :smug: :wink:
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id be intrested in one for me 8v fella (price dependant)
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+1 here aswell, if you start dispatching a few give me a shout as i work for UPS and will get you a better rate than most on next day delivery.
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This looks like a good idea.
One thing I will mention though.... I had problems with PAS belt slipping in the wet. I had it replaced and tensioned properly and it's not been a problem since at all.
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One thing I will mention though.... I had problems with PAS belt slipping in the wet. I had it replaced and tensioned properly and it's not been a problem since at all.
+1 work for me as well, if it needed a guard then why did Vw or indeed other car companies not fit them
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One thing I will mention though.... I had problems with PAS belt slipping in the wet. I had it replaced and tensioned properly and it's not been a problem since at all.
+1 work for me as well, if it needed a guard then why did Vw or indeed other car companies not fit them
VW did fit a guard as standard, although not a very good one by all accounts. The problem seems to be that in the intervening years most have either fallen off or been left off after servicing. They are still available but they are Main Stealers only and are about £30, which some folk consider a bit steep for a bit of old (or even new) plastic.
S.M.
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If you are competant with your hands then go for it and show your creation off :smiley:
Me, show off? Nooo sir, the very soul of understated discretion me! :grin:
S.M.
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+1 here aswell, if you start dispatching a few give me a shout as i work for UPS and will get you a better rate than most on next day delivery.
Sorry, bit slow on the uptake on this one. Thanks for that offer, could be handy. We'll see how things pan out.
S.M.
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Right, just another little update. Prototype guard is still clocking miles and seems to be surviving OK. Currently designing tooling and researching the best grade of aluminium to use for the production guards. Been on to the Aluminium Federation today and they've given me a few pointers.
S.M.
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One thing I will mention though.... I had problems with PAS belt slipping in the wet. I had it replaced and tensioned properly and it's not been a problem since at all.
+1 work for me as well, if it needed a guard then why did Vw or indeed other car companies not fit them
suprised you didnt know VW fitted them to ALL GTI's from the factory
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One thing I will mention though.... I had problems with PAS belt slipping in the wet. I had it replaced and tensioned properly and it's not been a problem since at all.
+1 work for me as well, if it needed a guard then why did Vw or indeed other car companies not fit them
suprised you didnt know VW fitted them to ALL GTI's from the factory
Never knew, mine never had one that's for sure.
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Another quick update on progress. Bit of bad news this time, the prototype guard's attachment bracket has suffered a fatigue failure. Good news is the guard itself is fine, I've pretty much identified why the bracket failed and am well on the way to designing and making a new one. Stay tuned!
S.M.
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I WANT ONE NOW!!!!!
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I'll pay for one! My belt squeal in the rain is driving me nuts.
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Thankfully my latest mk3 has both the belt guard & undertray fitted. :smiley:
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I WANT ONE NOW!!!!!
And I would dearly love to sell you one NOW, in fact I'd love to sell lots of them YESTERDAY, but I'm not selling anything to anybody until I'm fully satisfied it won't break. To this end I've ordered some new thicker aluminium of a stronger grade, which I have today received notification is on its way, so that I can fabricate a new mounting bracket. Hopefully the different metal, plus a slightly different design, will cure the fatigue problem and the guards can hit the market.
S.M.
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My belt kept slipping in the wet and shield was hanging on by one clip.. Changed belt, tentioned it correctly and secured shield properly and it hasn't slipped since.
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Right, been a while since the last update but Project Splash Guard still lives! New stronger bracket has started testing - have completely redesigned it to knock out all the potential stress concentrations and thus avoid the metal fatigue that did for the original. Sorry it has all been taking so long; combination of a recent change of job and the arctic weather conditions have kind of put my extracurricula activities on hold for a bit. Still, back under way a bit now. Will keep you all posted on the progress of the new bracket.
S.M.
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Any news mate?
Im sick oy mine squeeling and slipping :(
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Any news mate?
Im sick oy mine squeeling and slipping :(
Latest evolution has been on test for the last week. Will be poking my head under there tomorrow at some stage.
S.M.