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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Upperoilcan on 24 July 2010, 16:36
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For the life of me i cant understand why people would have this on their GTI,I know each to their own and all that,but the whole point of buying the GTI was for driving pleasure and chucking it about a bit so why on earth would you spoil it by having an automatic car ? I know with the DSG that the car is faster through the gears.......but even so....
Ive had Tiptronic gear boxes in other cars and i could not bare it...
For me it's all about going through the gears...
I await to be shot down......... :grin:
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*shooting comences*
Tiptronic is far from the same as a DSG. DSG is essentially a manual box with electronic assistance to move the clutch pedal. Toptronic is an automatic gearbox simulating a manual, which for the most part it does badly
If used right it's the DSG is actually much better than a manual in many ways. I CBS listing he ways cause I'm on the mobile and it takes far too long :p. I'm sure someone will do it for me though
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......time to grab you'd body armour. :grin:
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As you said, each to their own, but I've driven a DSG R32 in manual mode and it was awesome fun :evil: Only other triptronic car I've experienced is my dad's D5 S80 and that was nothing in comparison to the DSG box. Night and day in my opinion. It's down to which you prefer the feel of, but don't knock the DSG box without trying it. It's a fantastic piece of work.
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It is even better with a DSG remap.....7400rpm shifts and there's no nasty kickdown or gearing up automatically when you are in M mode. It also has better clutches to manage the power and torque than a manual. If I had a manual box I'd be on my ?? clutch by now.
Look at the facts...
Ferrari ONLY do DSG gearboxes for their cars now - you cannot buy a manual!
Mitsubishi have the SST, which is their version of DSG
Nissan only do DSG on their top sport model - the GT-R
Bugatti's Veyron only comes with DSG
Porsche have swapped to PDK gearboxes - again their own version of DSG
The list goes on :smiley:
I know some people cling to the old fashioned manual gearbox because they believe themselves to be in control, but remember that the clutch, accellerator and brake pedals are all electronically assisted too and they still come with ESP, EBD, PAS etc etc and no-one moans about those reducing the fun factor. :laugh:
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for me DSG was a no brainer, but bearing in mind I have a 1960's mini cooper, when I want to drive a manual and have some fun.
DSG or any Auto is a life saver in London, or any contested city in fact. You just stick in in D, forget it about it, then when you want some fun, put it in manual. I had never had an Auto before this Golf, but now will probably never go back to a manual for my daily drive, unless I lived in Wales or somewhere.
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*shooting comences*
Tiptronic is far from the same as a DSG. DSG is essentially a manual box with electronic assistance to move the clutch pedal. Toptronic is an automatic gearbox simulating a manual, which for the most part it does badly
If used right it's the DSG is actually much better than a manual in many ways. I CBS listing he ways cause I'm on the mobile and it takes far too long :p. I'm sure someone will do it for me though
Thats not right, did not think dsg had a clutch pedal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
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I will admit that there are few finer feelings than nailing a couple of perfect heel-toe changes through a twisty route...
BUT
Not having to use a clutch pedal in traffic is a bonus!
Also when I feel like being an f1 driver I use the paddles.
When I feel like some touring car action I use the stick like a sequential box.
And the DSG pops every time :laugh:
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Ive had them all over the years , and the DSG is an awsome peice of kit, it makes me smile everyday (esp paddle shift) :smug:
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I have to say that I was a die-hard manual fan and rubbished DSG when I heard about it... that was until I bought a DSG R32 as a stop-gap until I got a manual Edition 30... OMG!!! It was a revelation!!! The pop of the exhaust, the versatility of the different modes in different types of traffic, the paddle shift and above all, the seamless acceleration that was simply astounding had me won over. I still had a residue of the luddite in me when I ordered my manual Ed30 3 months later - that car lasted 8 weeks with me, but I just missed DSG too much, so sold it on at a loss of 6k pounds and ordered another Ed30 with DSG. The only thing I would say about DSG is that you DO lose a bit of interaction with the car, but you gain so much more that its worth it, especially if you find yourself on a drag strip or at the traffic lights. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Hi all
A very interesting topic and one worthy of debate.
I have just purchased a MK6 GTI with DSG and it has taken some getting used to.
From a GTI PURIST perspective you would buy a manual gearbox as the original GTI was never designed with DSG.
However, things move on and I have no regrets about buying my new car with DSG.
It depends a lot on the type of driving you do. On my way to work there is lots of traffic and the "D" mode takes care of this.
But....if at any time I want to drop a gear or two I can using the paddle shift. The beauty of DSG is that it COMBINES manual with automatic. It a very intelligent system.
I dont think its necessarily any faster than manual though. Check out the stats on theVW website.
However I do firmly believe that clutchless cars are the future.
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I set up a thread in MK6 forum called "Extras - vote for your favourite"
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=161584.0
Currently DSG and Xenon headlights are the top two additions GTI owners are voting for!
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Good reply's lads....still not convinced tho,guess i will have to try it myself one day........
But i love the interatction with the car by going through the manuel box..........
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Good reply's lads....still not convinced tho,guess i will have to try it myself one day........
But i love the interatction with the car by going through the manuel box..........
Im sorry, you have not even tried it?
You can then have no comment on it im afraid. I wish i could have had it in my S3!
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*shooting comences*
Tiptronic is far from the same as a DSG. DSG is essentially a manual box with electronic assistance to move the clutch pedal. Toptronic is an automatic gearbox simulating a manual, which for the most part it does badly
If used right it's the DSG is actually much better than a manual in many ways. I CBS listing he ways cause I'm on the mobile and it takes far too long :p. I'm sure someone will do it for me though
It actually has two clutches, just not conventional manual clutches.
Thats not right, did not think dsg had a clutch pedal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
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Im sorry, you have not even tried it?
You can then have no comment on it im afraid. I wish i could have had it in my S3!
Err although ive not had DSG,i have owned an automatic in the past,which in principle the dsg is,im saying is that i would get far more driving pleasure from going through the gears rather than using a flappy paddle without a clutch pedal...
Driver preference....that's all......
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Im sorry, you have not even tried it?
You can then have no comment on it im afraid. I wish i could have had it in my S3!
Err although ive not had DSG,i have owned an automatic in the past,which in principle the dsg is,im saying is that i would get far more driving pleasure from going through the gears rather than using a flappy paddle without a clutch pedal...
Driver preference....that's all......
You just proved my point. Is nothing like any automatic you have ever driven.
You go through the gears on the DSG, you can even use the stick to shift if you need to.
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guess i will have to try it myself one day........
Go and try one then and you're perception of DSG will probably be very different! :)
You might even regret having a manual, I know I would.
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Yes you go through the gears,like up up up,then down down down by a forward and backward motion if using the gear selector with no clutch pedal,No matter how i look at it i dont think my mind could ever be changed as i just love manual....
To me its just what driving a sports car is all about,but as i have already stated.......Each to their own.....
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Yes you go through the gears,like up up up,then down down down by a forward and backward motion if using the gear selector with no clutch pedal,No matter how i look at it i dont think my mind could ever be changed as i just love manual....
To me its just what driving a sports car is all about,but as i have already stated.......Each to their own.....
A mk5 GTI is not a sports car though so the DSG suits it perfectly.
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Im a manual man 100%..... BUT :grin:
I love the DSG in my GTI, its the best thing since sliced bread, it has moved the auto gearbox on into the 21st century.. DSG Always from now on :laugh:
Band Bang, Shot down :wink:
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At the end of the day it comes down to each individual. There is no right or wrong answer or one better than the other. Like many have said you cant make a decision on whats best (for you) if you haven't even tried one, and im not talking about a 15 minute test drive down your local stealers. DSG is much more complex than an old school auto box, over time you adapt to it and it adapts to your driving style. Comparing any gearbox to another is wrong let alone a DSG unit to any auto. You wouldn't say the BMW m3's manuel gearbox is pants, not because you have tried it but because the manuel box in a Kia Picanto is carp. You can only compare what is best for you in the same car.
Not that it matters what i think but i have owned a manuel GTI, a DSG R32 and now a DSG Pirelli. I also spent alot of time in a DSG Gti and a manuel R32. The combination that suites me and i like the best is DSG Pirelli/GTI and the R32 in manuel.
This is what makes the world a great place we all have different tastes otherwise we would all have the same haircuts and walk around in the same clothes having all driven the same car.
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I have driven a DSG in the Rocco and i was highly impressed. the comments in here are correct - it is a lot more than just an auto box.
However, i expect 95% of the time the auto option will be used by most DSG drivers.
I spent a lot of time deliberating over DSG or manual - read reviews etc etc and for me it comes down to one thing. To 'really' get the hot hatch experience the manual option for me will always win. There is nought like the feeling of changing gear the 'old' fashioned way on a cracking B road. But hay i don't live in a big city and there are plenty of fun roads on my doorstep. If i live in London etc then i would go for the DSG box.
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*shooting comences*
Tiptronic is far from the same as a DSG. DSG is essentially a manual box with electronic assistance to move the clutch pedal. Toptronic is an automatic gearbox simulating a manual, which for the most part it does badly
If used right it's the DSG is actually much better than a manual in many ways. I CBS listing he ways cause I'm on the mobile and it takes far too long :p. I'm sure someone will do it for me though
Thats not right, did not think dsg had a clutch pedal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
That was a metaphorical pedal, to emphasis the point that the DSG isn't just any old auto box. Of course know dsg doesn't have a pedal I get in one every morning :p
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Got any pics? I've been after a metaphorical pedal for a while haha!! :D
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As said before DSG is a manual gearbox with an automatic clutch.
The only difference compared to a manual is you don't move your left leg in and out, you can still do that if it makes you feel better. :laugh:
It still amazes me when people take DSGs out for a test drive how they complain about it shifting to early or to late because they are driving it in D mode. This mode is just a programmed mode which simulates am old automatic gearbox.
Just get it in manual mode and listen to those perfect "heel and toe" down changes.. and that exhaust oomph on the up changes. :evil:
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Defo seems to be more in favour of it on here with regard's to posts.....Us manual drivers are becoming a dying breed by the sounds of it. :grin:
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Brilliant - in 3 pages your opinion has been turned!! ha ha!
Mike - when you mention manual mode do you mean shifting the stick across then using the paddles?
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I thought I would only ever stick with a manual, but...
I did a very, very challenging road route with some Pistonheads guys yesterday and I must confess, my left knee is pretty sore this morning.
Half way over a country pass I thought to myself, 'I could really do with DSG today'.
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Brilliant - in 3 pages your opinion has been turned!! ha ha!
Not a chance,i love manuals far too much..... :smiley:
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Have you driven a DSG yet mate ????
I was a die hard manual fan and i've posted a very interesting link comparing DSG to manual before.
The driving experience isn't that different tbh, the only think your not doing is using a pedal and waggling your hand :P
You entitled to your opinion of course but at least give the DSG a go before you dismiss it .... I'm a converted manual driver myself so i know where your coming from.
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I love my manual GTI but having driven it for over a year, I think I would go for DSG next time.
When 'pressing on' I think I would be able to cover ground more quickly with the DSG and paddles, as I could concentrate on my braking and lines rather than nailing the heel-and-toe down changes.
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It is even better with a DSG remap.....7400rpm shifts and there's no nasty kickdown or gearing up automatically when you are in M mode. It also has better clutches to manage the power and torque than a manual. If I had a manual box I'd be on my ?? clutch by now.
Look at the facts...
Ferrari ONLY do DSG gearboxes for their cars now - you cannot buy a manual!
Mitsubishi have the SST, which is their version of DSG
Nissan only do DSG on their top sport model - the GT-R
Bugatti's Veyron only comes with DSG
Porsche have swapped to PDK gearboxes - again their own version of DSG
The list goes on :smiley:
I know some people cling to the old fashioned manual gearbox because they believe themselves to be in control, but remember that the clutch, accellerator and brake pedals are all electronically assisted too and they still come with ESP, EBD, PAS etc etc and no-one moans about those reducing the fun factor. :laugh:
one of the key features of the DSG / s tronic / PDK system is that it has two clutches and a pre selector mechanism , which is why it can achieve such rapid gear shift. Does the Ferrari actually have the twin clutch/ pre selector arrangement? or does it just have a pedal-less single clutch system?
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Judging by most responses I think you should change the title of this thread to....
D.S.G............why not?
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Judging by most responses I think you should change the title of this thread to....
D.S.G............why not?
You might be on to something there ! :grin:
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I got a manual because I couldn't afford a DSG one
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Yes you go through the gears,like up up up,then down down down by a forward and backward motion if using the gear selector with no clutch pedal,No matter how i look at it i dont think my mind could ever be changed as i just love manual....
To me its just what driving a sports car is all about,but as i have already stated.......Each to their own.....
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Sorry I am being rude but I had to laugh as that is exactly what I used to say until I actually drove one... even then I still went back to manual only to regret it and get another DSG GTI asap... :laugh:
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Mike - when you mention manual mode do you mean shifting the stick across then using the paddles?
Yes, the best mode..
I have driven DSG now for the last 5 years and could never see me going back to the old fashion stick shift..
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I love my manual GTI but having driven it for over a year, I think I would go for DSG next time.
When 'pressing on' I think I would be able to cover ground more quickly with the DSG and paddles, as I could concentrate on my braking and lines rather than nailing the heel-and-toe down changes.
You can't actually brake and accelerate at the same time on modern DBW cars (unless you get it enabled via a custom remap).
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It is even better with a DSG remap.....7400rpm shifts and there's no nasty kickdown or gearing up automatically when you are in M mode. It also has better clutches to manage the power and torque than a manual. If I had a manual box I'd be on my ?? clutch by now.
Look at the facts...
Ferrari ONLY do DSG gearboxes for their cars now - you cannot buy a manual!
Mitsubishi have the SST, which is their version of DSG
Nissan only do DSG on their top sport model - the GT-R
Bugatti's Veyron only comes with DSG
Porsche have swapped to PDK gearboxes - again their own version of DSG
The list goes on :smiley:
I know some people cling to the old fashioned manual gearbox because they believe themselves to be in control, but remember that the clutch, accellerator and brake pedals are all electronically assisted too and they still come with ESP, EBD, PAS etc etc and no-one moans about those reducing the fun factor. :laugh:
one of the key features of the DSG / s tronic / PDK system is that it has two clutches and a pre selector mechanism , which is why it can achieve such rapid gear shift. Does the Ferrari actually have the twin clutch/ pre selector arrangement? or does it just have a pedal-less single clutch system?
They now have both systems, with the DSG on the new 458 Italia :drool:
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I love my manual GTI but having driven it for over a year, I think I would go for DSG next time.
When 'pressing on' I think I would be able to cover ground more quickly with the DSG and paddles, as I could concentrate on my braking and lines rather than nailing the heel-and-toe down changes.
You can't actually brake and accelerate at the same time on modern DBW cars (unless you get it enabled via a custom remap).
You can't whilst the clutch is engaged, but what you can do it blip the throttle with your heel whilst braking whilst the clutch is depressed.
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I got a manual because I couldn't afford a DSG one
Snap :cry:, but I will defo check out the GTI with a DSG for next year (come on new high paying job!!!)
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WIth DSG does it change up for you even if you dont choose too.
So say if your in first and boot it to the red line, would it change up or bounce of the limiter like a manual car till you change up with the padal?
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It will change still, you can alter it with a remap though.
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It won't if you have it in manual and use the paddles or the sequential gearstick.
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In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.
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In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.
Its all very well. Ive only driven a manual mk5 gti. I like auto for traffic jams and going slow up hills in traffic. I like the idea of it being able to change gear fast. But i dont like the idea that it changes up for you when i might want to stretch out the gears to the limit in a bit of fun driving.
Can that be cured in a remap?
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Mikester,
The gear you are in will be stretched out to the limit before the DSG automatically upshifts for you...rather that than bouncing off the limiter or blowing up your engine...and it will still change gear faster than you can.
From wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
Manual mode
Additionally, the floor shift lever also has another plane of operation, for manual[3][5] mode, with spring-loaded "+" and "−" positions. This plane is selected by moving the stick away from the driver (in vehicles with the driver's seat on the right, the lever is pushed to the left, and in left-hand drive cars, the stick is pushed to the right) when in "D" mode only. When this plane is selected, the DSG can now be controlled like a manual gearbox, albeit only under a sequential shift pattern.
The readout in the instrument display changes to 6 5 4 3 2 1, and just like the automatic modes, the currently used gear ratio is highlighted or emboldened. To change up a gear, the lever is pushed forward (against a spring pressure) towards the "+", and to change down, the lever is pulled rearward towards the "−". The DSG transmission can now be operated with the gear changes being (primarily) determined by the driver. This method of operation is commonly called "tiptronic".[2] In the interests of engine preservation, when accelerating in Manual/tiptronic mode, the DSG will still automatically change up just before the redline, and when decelerating, it will change down automatically at very low revs, just before the engine idle speed (tickover). Furthermore, if the driver calls for a gear when it is not appropriate (e.g.: requesting a downshift when engine speed is near the redline) the DSG will not change to the driver's requested gear.[3]
Current variants of the DSG will still downshift to the lowest possible gear ratio when the kick-down button is activated during full throttle whilst in manual mode. However, on vehicles equipped with steering wheel mounted paddle shifters, if the "+" paddle on the right side of the steering wheel is acitvated and held before the kick-down button is activated (and continued to be held), the DSG will not downshift, and will simply perform a full-throttle acceleration in whatever gear was previously being utilised.
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Looking at a Porsche 911 of the first watercooled vintage. Many of them have knackered oil seals/engines. All the knackered ones were manuals. Speaking to a mechanic at Parker and Parker he said many of the doddery old owners catch a wrong gear and over rev the engine, which can't be done with the auto box.
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because it the most high tech gear box you can get did it for me. As bloke I like to know that this aspect of the car is on the cutting edge of tech.
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In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.
Its all very well. Ive only driven a manual mk5 gti. I like auto for traffic jams and going slow up hills in traffic. I like the idea of it being able to change gear fast. But i dont like the idea that it changes up for you when i might want to stretch out the gears to the limit in a bit of fun driving.
Can that be cured in a remap?
In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.
Its all very well. Ive only driven a manual mk5 gti. I like auto for traffic jams and going slow up hills in traffic. I like the idea of it being able to change gear fast. But i dont like the idea that it changes up for you when i might want to stretch out the gears to the limit in a bit of fun driving.
Can that be cured in a remap?
Yes, that aspect can be cured with a gearbox remap, along with preventing kickdown when in manual mode.
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My experience with DSG has so far been negative. I'm hoping it's a fault - it's in for a potential repair at the moment and the mechatronics are suspected but it's getting a full check over of all the other options before VW will authorise the dealer to replace the mechatronic unit.
So far I feel kinda disconnected from the driving experience.
It moves off a little hesitantly like I have poor clutch control.
Reversing when parallel parking is scary with the car doing nothing then a second later jumping backwards.
Sometimes it stretches the gears so long that I get freaked out - it's like S can be too aggressive and D can be to relaxed and yet schitzo where it suddenly drops a gear or dips the clutch unnecessarily.
Another issue I hate - the accel pedal is disabled when you press the break, and doesn't seem to become active until about 1 second after lifting off the brake, the car wants to roll backwards on even very shallow inclines, so you need to use the handbrake more than with a manual.
Shifting via the paddle shifters seems like an unnecessary effort that doesn't add to the experience. Perhaps on a track you could live out your Forza/GT dreams, but on the road, even a B road, S or D see to cope well enough.
I get some odd behaviour at times - sitting in "economic" D on the motorway, spot a gap in the traffic when changing lanes, press the throttle a fraction (from near off to just a little bit) and the car drops from 6th to 5th, doesn't seem to fully engage the clutch, causing the revs to soar to around 5000 rpm with a huge fanfare, then the gear seems to engage and the car moves forward with all the force you have expect for such a light throttle press - ie not a lot, but you sound like a tool.
I dunno, the whole thing just doesn't feel as responsive, natural, or reliable as a manual, and it doesn't have the grace and ease of use of an automatic.
Between that and the realisation that I really don't need a 3.2 litre V6 engine and 4WD to take the family to Tesco, I'm regretting trading the GTI in on the R32. Maybe things will change if it comes back from the dealer with a new mechatronic unit, but right now - full of regrets. And even if it needs a new mechatronic unit, unless I'm lucky and there's one in VW UK stock, I could be waiting weeks to find out if it's the gearbox that's the problem, or if DSG just isn't for me.
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My experience with DSG has so far been negative. I'm hoping it's a fault - it's in for a potential repair at the moment and the mechatronics are suspected but it's getting a full check over of all the other options before VW will authorise the dealer to replace the mechatronic unit.
So far I feel kinda disconnected from the driving experience.
It moves off a little hesitantly like I have poor clutch control.
Reversing when parallel parking is scary with the car doing nothing then a second later jumping backwards.
Sometimes it stretches the gears so long that I get freaked out - it's like S can be too aggressive and D can be to relaxed and yet schitzo where it suddenly drops a gear or dips the clutch unnecessarily.
Another issue I hate - the accel pedal is disabled when you press the break, and doesn't seem to become active until about 1 second after lifting off the brake, the car wants to roll backwards on even very shallow inclines, so you need to use the handbrake more than with a manual.
Shifting via the paddle shifters seems like an unnecessary effort that doesn't add to the experience. Perhaps on a track you could live out your Forza/GT dreams, but on the road, even a B road, S or D see to cope well enough.
I get some odd behaviour at times - sitting in "economic" D on the motorway, spot a gap in the traffic when changing lanes, press the throttle a fraction (from near off to just a little bit) and the car drops from 6th to 5th, doesn't seem to fully engage the clutch, causing the revs to soar to around 5000 rpm with a huge fanfare, then the gear seems to engage and the car moves forward with all the force you have expect for such a light throttle press - ie not a lot, but you sound like a tool.
I dunno, the whole thing just doesn't feel as responsive, natural, or reliable as a manual, and it doesn't have the grace and ease of use of an automatic.
Between that and the realisation that I really don't need a 3.2 litre V6 engine and 4WD to take the family to Tesco, I'm regretting trading the GTI in on the R32. Maybe things will change if it comes back from the dealer with a new mechatronic unit, but right now - full of regrets. And even if it needs a new mechatronic unit, unless I'm lucky and there's one in VW UK stock, I could be waiting weeks to find out if it's the gearbox that's the problem, or if DSG just isn't for me.
Untill you have the Mech's changed. Its then fair comment on whether its well worth having.
You have a malfuntioning ECU changing gears at present, isnt going to work properly is it??
Give it a chance once its repaired then see whow you go. I wouldnt go back to manual, for all the tea in china.
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Me either. Yours certainly doesn't sound like it's working properly. Mine doesn't lurch as you mention. It does feel like it hangs onto the clutch a little longer than I would in a manual but only if driving slowly
For reference if driving steady mine changes around 2500-3000. Tip for the motorway is to always have in manual that way it won't blip down as you mention
I'm sure when they fix yours you'll love it. Works way better than an auto !
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New mecha on order. They hope to have it next week.
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I'm on my second manual mk5 GTI now, and having driven a number of DSG VAG cars, including test driving a couple of DSG GTIs and also driving my friend's DSG R32, I have to say I don't like DSG.
Driving a DSG equipped car just spoilt the experience for me - it was like a layer of interaction was missing and it sometimes wanted to do its own thing and not what I wanted. The worst thing was the slight delay I experienced every now and again when it seemed to be hesitating and not too sure what to do.
Granted it's probably nice when you are sitting in crappy traffic, but you can not beat the feeling of control and satisfaction you get from using a nice manual gearbox like the GTI has. Changing gear is part of the driving experience.
Thing is I didn't like it in the diesel Altea or Toledo courtesy cars I used it in, and I would have thought it was suited to those applications. :huh:
I do have an automatic 1995 BMW 525 Touring that I use as a tip car, and automatic seems to suit that better. I would have bought a manual if I could have found one though....
So it'll always be a no for me - well until I get older maybe, :grin: but I can see why some people may like it.
Oh, and I can't believe VW have launched the Polo GTi and SEAT the latest fast Ibizas without a manual option. IMO it adds unnecessary cost and is only being done to get low emission ratings. So no chance I would buy one.
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^ Snap on that view. Couldnt sum it up better. Everyone to their own, Im sure some people love it. Its a real poor show that VW dont offer the Polo GTI in manual. Crazy if you ask me.
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Yeah what a daft move only offering it in automatic, going to miss out on a few sales due to that. I would like to try the DSG but am happy with the manual at the moment.
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I have a feeling they didn't offer a manual for emissions and economy reasons :undecided:
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Theres going to be alot more people opting for Public transport when Manuals are being scrapped slowly but surely:laugh:
A manual will eventually be a collectors item :laugh:
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Theres going to be alot more people opting for Public transport when Manuals are being scrapped slowly but surely:laugh:
A manual will eventually be a collectors item :laugh:
Although maybe we'll have a sly grin on our faces when you guys are getting £6K repair bills for new gearboxes.
Nick
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I have a feeling they didn't offer a manual for emissions and economy reasons :undecided:
Yea. Whenever I flip the R32 into manual mode, I see the fuel consumption instantly deteriorate and say feck it, and throw it back to D. This is for town driving not spirited driving of course.
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^ You spend most your time driving it as an auto which isnt what the R32 is all about. Just my thoughts.
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^ You spend most your time driving it as an auto which isnt what the R32 is all about. Just my thoughts.
I would disagree there, its very easy to drive in auto as it low down power means it will sit in 6th all day with no fuss.
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^ You spend most your time driving it as an auto which isnt what the R32 is all about. Just my thoughts.
I would disagree there, its very easy to drive in auto as it low down power means it will sit in 6th all day with no fuss.
Agreed. It'd be great if the road to work was a deserted B-Road made up of the worlds best apex's, but it isn't, it's 70% motorway, 30% town and schools. Am I not allowed to drive an R32 if I can only let it rip on the weekends? Seriously?
ps. This is the first "auto" I've ever owned. It's not like I'm unaccustomed to sporty cars and have been an autoboxer all my life.
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As to what an R32 is about... That's different for everyone. Perhaps for some it's about maximising the Revs at every opportunity, ideally on a track or a quiet B road. For others others it's a happy compromise. If I wanted the ultimate hard core road n track car, I'd not choose the R32.
I'm married, have two kids, am approaching 40, and have a 50 mile commute. The torquey R32 with DSG makes the drive to work relaxing where more hardcore cars gave made it a chore. The 4wd gives me a lot of confidence in our crap Scottish weather where the GTI wanted to wheelspin in every gear. It's got isofix mounts for the kids seats. It's got a 5* Ncap rating. And it's got auto, the wife's pref for the school run.
And even with all of that, when I do get out without the family and want to drive hard, it turns into a full on manual mile muncher that tears up B roads and screams ASBO.
It's a lot of car, and it ticks a lot of boxes, which is why I bought it. But it's thirsty, so on the work run it lives in D. And if you have passengers in the car and leave it in manual or S you quickly look like a tool as you toss them about the car. Nah, S and manual have their place in my weekly drive, but it's no less fun in D.
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Theres going to be alot more people opting for Public transport when Manuals are being scrapped slowly but surely:laugh:
A manual will eventually be a collectors item :laugh:
Although maybe we'll have a sly grin on our faces when you guys are getting £6K repair bills for new gearboxes.
Nick
Who has Nick???
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A guy on here posted the other day that his DSG had died at 5 years and VW had quoted £6.9K for a new one fitted.
Nick
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A guy on here posted the other day that his DSG had died at 5 years and VW had quoted £6.9K for a new one fitted.
Nick
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=162544.0
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Oh an In warranty claim. :rolleyes:?? or is there something else ive mis-read??
Same chance as a Manual Gearbox going to be fair..... and about as costly as each other tbh.
Nick, Generally if its going go bang, it would do it new in its life, rather then 4 years later, and regular servicing, the chances are ALOT less. Dealer would honour some sort of cover its its owner has regually maintained the car with that dealership.
It wouldnt put me off, and and hasnt for that matter. :grin:
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Oh an In warranty claim. :rolleyes:?? or is there something else ive mis-read??
Same chance as a Manual Gearbox going to be fair..... and about as costly as each other tbh.
Nick, Generally if its going go bang, it would do it new in its life, rather then 4 years later, and regular servicing, the chances are ALOT less. Dealer would honour some sort of cover its its owner has regually maintained the car with that dealership.
It wouldnt put me off, and and hasnt for that matter. :grin:
A DSG box would cost a lot more than standard 6 speed.
If I was ever buying one of these 2nd hand I'd avoid the DSG cars like the plague. They might be great when you have a warranty but without they're ticking time bomb. Once these cars get to 10 years old you can bet the DSG cars will be worth less than the manual.
Nick
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Oh an In warranty claim. :rolleyes:?? or is there something else ive mis-read??
Same chance as a Manual Gearbox going to be fair..... and about as costly as each other tbh.
Nick, Generally if its going go bang, it would do it new in its life, rather then 4 years later, and regular servicing, the chances are ALOT less. Dealer would honour some sort of cover its its owner has regually maintained the car with that dealership.
It wouldnt put me off, and and hasnt for that matter. :grin:
A DSG box would cost a lot more than standard 6 speed.
If I was ever buying one of these 2nd hand I'd avoid the DSG cars like the plague. They might be great when you have a warranty but without they're ticking time bomb. Once these cars get to 10 years old you can bet the DSG cars will be worth less than the manual.
Nick
Nick, how you tell that in the future??
Dsg twin clutch hasnt been out for more then 5 years!!!.
How can you predict this, and that these will all go bang, and that this technology will be a waste of money??.
You have as much knowledge in this as i do , and i cant predict the future!
Only one case i know, where a dsg has gone bang, but that was after it was remapped to stage 2 software was added.
......hardly a major problem is it!
Mechatronics, well thats a different kettle of fish altogether :wink:
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No I can't predict the future, but time and time again cars with complicated systems like this become worthless because of the fear of the cost of repairs. Look old S Class mercs etc. Anything that is likely to be expensive to repair becomes worthless once possible repair costs to major components exceed the value of the car. Used Auto's are always worth less than the manual counterparts due to this very reason, auto boxes cost £££££'a to get repaired.
Doesn't make it a bad car in anyway but make sit a very risky purchase once they're out of warranty by a few years.
Nick
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You're biting easily today Steve! :shocked:
Nick, second hand DSG boxes are easy to come by and a £6.9k repair bill is just fantasy unless you go with VW. Concerns over the longevity of the DSG are less than that of a manual, sure if it does go wrong it will cost more to fix, but if you have a stock car and keep it maintained then they have proven to be capable of over 250,000 miles without a need for even a new clutchpack. I doubt you can say that about manuals. We can argue until we are blue in the face, but the facts are that DSG's are quickly becoming the norm for performance cars and the market share is climbing for daily drivers too. The support will grow for them and as it does, part prices will fall and the likes of exchange boxes etc will become more readily available. I have more than double the torque reccommended by VW going through my DSG and it has only just started to show signs of slippage, so even cars that are modified to a lesser extent will still have a gearbox that can take the abuse without giving up the ghost - point a remap at a manual and the clutch simply begs for mercy after a few K miles.
Each have their weaknesses and strengths and it is a personal decision for the owner as to what they ultimately settle with. :cool:
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DSG = Dog's Shaggy Goolies