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Title: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 08 July 2010, 11:08
Was reading the latest Autoxpress where a reader had paint isssues due to bird pooh on his BMW 5 Series which led to a re-spray. It seems that the clearcoats on BMWs are very soft, just like on VWs. However, Mercedes Benz use a much harder wearing ceramic clearcoat. Now I know why our metallic C Class 350 CDI has such a very tough surface and requires the minimum of care to shine without a single swirl mark or light surface scratch. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: mac7 on 08 July 2010, 11:37
That's PPG's CeramiClear - good stuff but difficult to respray, so repairs are often done with normal paint - even when done by Merc. I think Ferrari and Rolls use it too.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: VWKev on 08 July 2010, 13:03
Was reading the latest Autoxpress where a reader had paint isssues due to bird poo on his BMW 5 Series which led to a re-spray. It seems that the clearcoats on BMWs are very soft, just like on VWs. However, Mercedes Benz use a much harder wearing ceramic clearcoat. Now I know why our metallic C Class 350 CDI has such a very tough surface and requires the minimum of care to shine without a single swirl mark or light surface scratch. :rolleyes:

for bird poo to cause a respray he's left it on a long time. I have no sympathy for stupid people like that.

VW clearcoat is generally hard, not soft.

You also shouldnt get swirl marks if you wash your car correctly, although they are sometimes impossible to avoid. Even the hardest of laquers will have swirls, its just sometimes hard to see them.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 08 July 2010, 13:22
Was reading the latest Autoxpress where a reader had paint isssues due to bird pooh on his BMW 5 Series which led to a re-spray. It seems that the clearcoats on BMWs are very soft, just like on VWs. However, Mercedes Benz use a much harder wearing ceramic clearcoat. Now I know why our metallic C Class 350 CDI has such a very tough surface and requires the minimum of care to shine without a single swirl mark or light surface scratch. :rolleyes:
for bird poo to cause a respray he's left it on a long time.

BMW say that bird pooh can be left on at least 2 weeks before damage takes place unless the pooh particularly acidic. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: VWKev on 08 July 2010, 13:34
Was reading the latest Autoxpress where a reader had paint isssues due to bird pooh on his BMW 5 Series which led to a re-spray. It seems that the clearcoats on BMWs are very soft, just like on VWs. However, Mercedes Benz use a much harder wearing ceramic clearcoat. Now I know why our metallic C Class 350 CDI has such a very tough surface and requires the minimum of care to shine without a single swirl mark or light surface scratch. :rolleyes:
for bird poo to cause a respray he's left it on a long time.

BMW say that bird pooh can be left on at least 2 weeks before damage takes place unless the pooh particularly acidic. :rolleyes:
I would have to ask them how were supposed to test if that particular sh!t on the car is acidic ? Do we take the pepsi birdsh!t challenge ?  :grin:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 08 July 2010, 13:59
Was reading the latest Autoxpress where a reader had paint isssues due to bird pooh on his BMW 5 Series which led to a re-spray. It seems that the clearcoats on BMWs are very soft, just like on VWs. However, Mercedes Benz use a much harder wearing ceramic clearcoat. Now I know why our metallic C Class 350 CDI has such a very tough surface and requires the minimum of care to shine without a single swirl mark or light surface scratch. :rolleyes:
for bird poo to cause a respray he's left it on a long time.
BMW say that bird pooh can be left on at least 2 weeks before damage takes place unless the pooh particularly acidic. :rolleyes:
I would have to ask them how were supposed to test if that particular sh!t on the car is acidic ? Do we take the pepsi birdsh!t challenge ?  :grin:

LOL!+
Some of these car companies are so full of sh!t! Even the detailer who was contacted by Autoexpress said that this was rubbish and it was a BMW paint issue and not a sh!t issue! :laugh:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: FamilyDub on 08 July 2010, 14:29

The fcukwit KNEW he had a massive sh1t on his car.

ER, clean it, fcuko!   :rolleyes:
 
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: simonpolly on 08 July 2010, 16:51
I have a touran (which is based on a mk5 golf) and a golf GTI mk6 ,the touran is 2005 and the paintwork is as good as new,bird sh1t will not and has not marked it ,my golf has a mark on the side from bird sh1t,it was on for a few hours max it seems to me that the clearcoat/paint they are using now is Inferior.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: mac7 on 08 July 2010, 16:58
I have a touran (which is based on a mk5 golf) and a golf GTI mk6 ,the touran is 2005 and the paintwork is as good as new,bird sh1t will not and has not marked it ,my golf has a mark on the side from bird sh1t,it was on for a few hours max it seems to me that the clearcoat/paint they are using now is Inferior.

What colour is the Touran?
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Spartacus on 08 July 2010, 17:00
Guy that valets my Golf told me that the paint on my Golf was the thickest he had seen on a VW. Only 7 months old and lots of swirls already though. Not worried though, was expecting that.

Agree with the commentc on Merc paint though. My 3 yr old ML has no scratches or swirls, and looks like a showroom car when washed. Just gleams. I don't even wax it. Amazing paint job.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: simonpolly on 08 July 2010, 17:01
I have a touran (which is based on a mk5 golf) and a golf GTI mk6 ,the touran is 2005 and the paintwork is as good as new,bird sh1t will not and has not marked it ,my golf has a mark on the side from bird sh1t,it was on for a few hours max it seems to me that the clearcoat/paint they are using now is Inferior.

What colour is the Touran?

Dark green ,amazon i think  :undecided:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 08 July 2010, 17:24
I have a touran (which is based on a mk5 golf) and a golf GTI mk6 ,the touran is 2005 and the paintwork is as good as new,bird sh1t will not and has not marked it ,my golf has a mark on the side from bird sh1t,it was on for a few hours max it seems to me that the clearcoat/paint they are using now is Inferior.
What colour is the Touran?
Dark green ,amazon i think  :undecided:

Funny that ... our Merc is Pericles Green. :smiley:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: mike. on 08 July 2010, 18:21
I had Seagull sh*t on my MKV, it was only on the paint for 3 hours, still left a mark and it was still there five years later when I sold the car.
I tried everything to shift it, including machine polishing, but it never came out.

Unfortunately there are a lot of seagulls near my work so it is only a matter of time on the MK6.

Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Snoopy on 10 July 2010, 15:34

The fcukwit KNEW he had a massive sh1t on his car.

ER, clean it, fcuko!   :rolleyes:
 
The problem is You cannot always see it though if is a dark colour and dark splashes. I know i must have missed some this week when i washed the car this morning.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 10 July 2010, 16:03
Birdie Pooh least of my problems.
Pranged the car yesterday. Fiddling with the Bluetooth and Sat Nav. Idiot. Rolled into a bloody great lorry. Damaged bonnet, damaged grille (scratch), small scratch on bumper (very minor). In the bodyshop. £200+ to fix.
At least they can do some warranty work by rehanging the nearside door and adjusting the gaps between bumper and front wings so that they match.
Driving a Polo match now with a brown paper bag over my head. Horrible.
Sorry am1w to hijack your thread.
I accept my apology.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 10 July 2010, 19:26
As this is my thread I have decided on another hijack.
Could the impact with the lorry which dented the bonnet (front edge nearside) and possibly altered the gap between the bumper and the front wing by less than 0.5mm (I really doubt it) and which was at a slow walking pace, have moved the front nearside wing outwards? Cant see any movement from the inside fixings.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Dawnskaybug on 10 July 2010, 20:04
Optimum has a sealant that from what I heard becomes a second clear coat. Only a few certified proven detailers are aloud to buy it and they have to sign a waiver. I think it comes in an eye dropper and runs about $100.
Your car has to be spotless because you will be sealing any swirls or scratches once applied.  Its what the dealers claim there crap they sell does but his stuff actually works.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Snoopy on 10 July 2010, 20:33
am1w as you may have seen from my thread a while back the wings are not very stong so they may have moved.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 10 July 2010, 20:50
am1w as you may have seen from my thread a while back the wings are not very stong so they may have moved.

Snoops: Which thread was that, please?
When I gave it in today, the bodyshop felt that the door needed re-hanging and it was a warranty issue and which they will attend to. I tend to agree with you as I never noticed this before. The trailing edge of the wing seems to have moved very slightly outwards all along its length so it sits slightly proud of the leading edge of the door.
Funny thing is there was only damage to the front edge of the bonnet on the nearside and a very slight scratch on the bumper just underneath. Yes, could have moved the wing. Hope the crumple zones are intact.
I'll have a chat with the bodyshop again on Monday.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Snoopy on 10 July 2010, 21:00
am1w as you may have seen from my thread a while back the wings are not very stong so they may have moved.

Snoops: Which thread was that, please?

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=149545.50

Door side of wing.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/DSC00528.jpg)

Other side of the door side of the wing. With wing mounting panel.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/DSC00593.jpg)

Inside of the wing.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/DSC00592.jpg)

Foam spacer block more or less in line with the centre of your wheel.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/DSC00595.jpg)

Wing inside next to front light.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/DSC00599.jpg)

Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 10 July 2010, 21:27
Thank you Snoops.
Had a good look at your pictures. Yes, very flimsy fitting. :rolleyes:
I've just been out for a wander and checked 3 other Mk6 5 door Golfs. :nerd:
The nearside wing on 2 out of 3 is slightly more proud of the door and more so than the offside wing.
However, mine is ever so slightly worse and possibly due to the accident. :cry:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: mortygt140 on 11 July 2010, 08:58
you really must stop fiddling Asker, its not good for you at all?  :evil: :grin:

See you next Saturday :cool:

Darren
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 11 July 2010, 09:39
you really must stop fiddling Asker, its not good for you at all?  :evil: :grin:
See you next Saturday :cool:
Darren

I got confused between the knob and the nav. It's easy at my stage in life. :rolleyes: :sick:
It's all your fault. :wink:
See you + family on Saturday. :cool:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 11 July 2010, 10:25
Snoops: Would it not be easier for them to re-position the front wing rather than re-hanging the door?
Sorry am1w off topic again. :wink:
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: Snoopy on 11 July 2010, 10:39
Looking at it if it was me it would be easier to adjust the door.
Title: Re: Ceramic Clearcoat
Post by: am1w on 11 July 2010, 17:07
Looking at it if it was me it would be easier to adjust the door.

Thank you Snoopy for your advice. :smiley: