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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Ninja on 21 June 2010, 10:08
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Right, I listened to everyone saying "don't buy a MK3 8v - they're slow as sh*t" but based on the car as a whole; bodywork, wheels etc I bought it. I can say I'm very surprised. It's just as nippy as my MK2 8V was, and a lot of fun to drive. Obviously it's not stupidly fast, but that's not what I needed. It's nippy, pulls all through the gears and his a nice roar... (possibly due to the full staineless steel exhaust :wink:)
Anyway, no doubt I'm going to get a load of abuse - no doubt from DH, :rolleyes:
I'm happy with it, and although it doesn't have that Go Kart MK2 feel, it's still a lot of fun to drive, and an added bonus is that I actually feel safe in a MK3, what with ABS and airbags :smug:
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For some people, eight valves are enough.
Just look at Kells - give him any more and he'd get WAAAY confused and wouldn't know what to do with them all, so would end up crashing, like his mate's brother who was obviously utterly bewildered by 24 valves.....
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hah! 8V is enough for me at the moment - more than enough infact. But when I start my new jobm and when my no claims get to a nice 4 years - I'm looking at the pro's/con's of a VR conversion. I want it done properly though.
How much of a feat is this on a MK3 8V GTI? How much dollar would I be looking at laying down?
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Nothing wrong with an 8v.
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Nothing wrong with an 8v.
8V FTMFW :evil: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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i got 16Vs - just spread across 2 cars :grin:
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i got 16Vs - just spread across 2 cars :grin:
Ooh Chuff.. Just the man!
Now, I was looking at getting my MK3 chipped/mapped. How much of an increase in performance would I see? I know it's minimal. But my main question was, if I get it mapped/chipped - will I lose tourqe in the lower revs? Has anyone got a chart showing the remap, vs the standard map?
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aint got a clue mate - no point in getting the old barges done :grin:
Throw a PM in tophers direction :wink: but to be honest i dont think its worth it :huh:
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Ah OK. I was just told that it'd give a sharper throttle response, and increase BHP slightly etc. Don't mind paying for that if it's fairly cheap.
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i got 16Vs - just spread across 2 cars :grin:
I've got 14 spread across 2 cars :grin:
nick
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At the moment I've got 16 spread between two, until someon buys my MK2. I don't think my nan appreciates it sat on her drive. And whenever I drive past it makes me sad :cry:
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I've got 12 spread across 1 car :grin:
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lovely motor mate,nothing wrong with the 8v,had one before i got the vr and loved it everyday from the beginning even when i sold it to my works mate and seeing it at work on a daily basis,its like this-all the mk3's from the smallest to the biggest are just like take away food-small,medium,large or xlarge,its just a pesonnel choice,enjoy the motor mate.
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For some people, eight valves are enough.
Just look at Kells - give him any more and he'd get WAAAY confused and wouldn't know what to do with them all, so would end up crashing, like his mate's brother who was obviously utterly bewildered by 24 valves.....
Ooooooo another ref to me i must always be on your mind :grin:
already had a VR6 buddie, and iv had a 16v mk3 too :grin:
and i grew up on 16v jap stuff, the golf 3 in my sig is the only 8v car i ever had, and was initially bought as a runner.. turned out to be too good a car for thrashing and i was quite suprised by how it drives, they aint as bad as people say, compaired to the 16v their really is not alot in it. and my opinion of the VR is its a waste of time apart from the sound, although it was only standard.
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my opinion of the VR is its a waste of time apart from the sound
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why so? Elaborate! :huh:
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2.8 litres.
178bhp.
Where's the missing 100bhp? :huh:
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The MK3 ate them. It's a bonny car! :wink:
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i have to agree with DH about VR's, not that fast, use loads of petrol, and handle like my old runner (mk 5 escort 1.6lx)
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i have to agree with DH about VR's,
bet that was painful
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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For some people, eight valves are enough.
Just look at Kells - give him any more and he'd get WAAAY confused and wouldn't know what to do with them all, so would end up crashing, like his mate's brother who was obviously utterly bewildered by 24 valves.....
Ooooooo another ref to me i must always be on your mind :grin:
already had a VR6 buddie, and iv had a 16v mk3 too :grin:
and i grew up on 16v jap stuff, the golf 3 in my sig is the only 8v car i ever had, and was initially bought as a runner.. turned out to be too good a car for thrashing and i was quite suprised by how it drives, they aint as bad as people say, compaired to the 16v their really is not alot in it. and my opinion of the VR is its a waste of time apart from the sound, although it was only standard.
ahem Mk4 TDI is an 8 valve too :wink:
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Something is going on between DH and Kells, I'm sure of it. :grin:
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rhyso, thats just been a smart arse :laugh: you get the idea tho
and yes chuff it was painfull but sometimes you just gotta be a man about these things :grin:
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i have to agree with DH about VR's, not that fast, use loads of petrol, and handle like my old runner (mk 5 escort 1.6lx)
Still sound nice however.
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Your still forgetting that a vr6 is quick, for a car of its time :grin:
Certainly alot quicker than an 8v anyway :laugh:
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not quick for its time really, Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s list goes on, will all hammer a VR on the streets, maybe not right up on top end but certainly in a street race you would struggle in a VR
but yes, faster than a 8v, but with 3 timkes the fuel costs too :laugh:
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not quick for its time really, Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s list goes on, will all hammer a VR on the streets, maybe not right up on top end but certainly in a street race you would struggle in a VR
but yes, faster than a 8v, but with 3 timkes the fuel costs too :laugh:
Yes but different class of car, VR6 was not marketed as a hot hatch as such.
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Il think you'll find its two times the fuel cost :grin:
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Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Not much in it in terms of MPG tbh.
quite a bit in 0-60 though.
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I think the 'real world' economy is a bit different.
Certainly alot quicker than an 8v anyway :laugh:
You're forgetting the 8V was a slow car for its time.
And the VR wasn't *that* quick for its time and price and BMW was putting out 192bhp from their 2.5 IIRC.
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Your still forgetting that a vr6 is quick, for a car of its time :grin:
Certainly alot quicker than an 8v anyway :laugh:
Nice cast - got them nibbling already :grin:
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Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Not much in it in terms of MPG tbh.
quite a bit in 0-60 though.
waste of time looking at sh!te like this, in the real world things are different
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I think the 'real world' economy is a bit different.
waste of time looking at sh!te like this, in the real world things are different
:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
Something is going on between DH and Kells, I'm sure of it.
(http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/images/smilies/bananas/Banane56.gif)
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Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Not much in it in terms of MPG tbh.
quite a bit in 0-60 though.
waste of time looking at sh!te like this, in the real world things are different
They were real world road test figures (autocar) I believe.
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Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Not much in it in terms of MPG tbh.
quite a bit in 0-60 though.
waste of time looking at sh!te like this, in the real world things are different
They were real world road test figures (autocar) I believe.
its all hype Wayne mate , iv had all 3 of these cars, on paper the VR should be pretty quick but in the real world they aint, especially when a 1.3 gti swift can easily outpace one up to 100 (on paper this is not the case, same for many other cars)
i only ever take these type of figures with a pinch of salt till i have actually driven the car.. did autocar really do the test or did they just get the results from VW.. end of the day you know where im coming from and im sure many wont agree but.....
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nothing wrong with a an 8v mate, i mostly had mk2 16`s and loving my 8v anni at the mo. :smiley:
nice looking motor btw
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yeah it does look a nice moter matey :cool:
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I think the VR is a fantastic car, fuel consumption is poor compared to other cars but so what? You buy a VR for the noise more than anything, it still pulls, and even though I haven't driven one, VRDan (friend of mine) does and been in it many times, it's a lot of fun just being a passenger let alone driving it I imagine.
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yeah it does look a nice moter matey :cool:
nothing wrong with a an 8v mate, i mostly had mk2 16`s and loving my 8v anni at the mo. :smiley:
nice looking motor btw
thanks :kiss:
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
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I think the VR is a fantastic car, fuel consumption is poor compared to other cars but so what? You buy a VR for the noise more than anything, it still pulls, and even though I haven't driven one, VRDan (friend of mine) does and been in it many times, it's a lot of fun just being a passenger let alone driving it I imagine.
I agree mate, I've been in a VR - and nothing quite matches that sound. I actually had an oppurtunity to buy a pretty good cond one for £500, but £2800 insurance made me think twice. :sad:
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
:laugh: :evil:
i love my rims, those and my seats are my fave part of the car tbh
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I think the VR is a fantastic car, fuel consumption is poor compared to other cars but so what? You buy a VR for the noise more than anything, it still pulls, and even though I haven't driven one, VRDan (friend of mine) does and been in it many times, it's a lot of fun just being a passenger let alone driving it I imagine.
I agree mate, I've been in a VR - and nothing quite matches that sound. I actually had an oppurtunity to buy a pretty good cond one for £500, but £2800 insurance made me think twice. :sad:
I know what you mean, insurance on them is taking the clappers! Mind you I've managed to pull my insurance on one down to £1100 which I don't think is too bad given my circumstances. I doubt I'd buy one though, I'd rather save and get an R32. :grin:
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
:laugh: :evil:
i love my rims, those and my seats are my fave part of the car tbh
I'll settle for the seats then. You can keep the rims. I'll give you the torn seats from my MK2? :grin:
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I know what you mean, insurance on them is taking the clappers! Mind you I've managed to pull my insurance on one down to £1100 which I don't think is too bad given my circumstances. I doubt I'd buy one though, I'd rather save and get an R32. :grin:
Circumstances? How much do you pay for the GL?
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I think the VR is a fantastic car, fuel consumption is poor compared to other cars but so what? You buy a VR for the noise more than anything, it still pulls, and even though I haven't driven one, VRDan (friend of mine) does and been in it many times, it's a lot of fun just being a passenger let alone driving it I imagine.
I agree mate, I've been in a VR - and nothing quite matches that sound. I actually had an oppurtunity to buy a pretty good cond one for £500, but £2800 insurance made me think twice. :sad:
Circumstances? How much do you pay for your GL?
I know what you mean, insurance on them is taking the clappers! Mind you I've managed to pull my insurance on one down to £1100 which I don't think is too bad given my circumstances. I doubt I'd buy one though, I'd rather save and get an R32. :grin:
I'm 21 with 1 NCB (I've been getting quotes based on 1 NCB), I've an SP30 too. I pay £650 for my GL with everything declared like for like.
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Mate thats bloody good! I'm 25, 2 yrs no claims, no points, have a 8V GTI and pay £1100.00
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Mate thats bloody good! I'm 25, 2 yrs no claims, no points, have a 8V GTI and pay £1100.00
Serial? Jeez, I've been getting quotes on an 8v and 16v MK3 lately and they've been coming out £750/£780. :undecided:
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Mate thats bloody good! I'm 25, 2 yrs no claims, no points, have a 8V GTI and pay £1100.00
Serial? Jeez, I've been getting quotes on an 8v and 16v MK3 lately and they've been coming out £750/£780. :undecided:
Thats madness. :cry:
I mean I literally could NOT get insured for less than £1100 on my 8v.
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Mate thats bloody good! I'm 25, 2 yrs no claims, no points, have a 8V GTI and pay £1100.00
Serial? Jeez, I've been getting quotes on an 8v and 16v MK3 lately and they've been coming out £750/£780. :undecided:
Thats madness. :cry:
I mean I literally could NOT get insured for less than £1100 on my 8v.
Who's that with?
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Admiral
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That's crap. Mine were with Bell (same company though). Well I'll try not to rub it in too much if I end up getting a 16v in August and paying less than you. :grin: :kiss:
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Bleh. Well my 8V has a special button* that makes it go faster than a Veyron.
*The button in no way actually boosts speed, but instead lights ciggarettes.
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That's crap. Mine were with Bell (same company though). Well I'll try not to rub it in too much if I end up getting a 16v in August and paying less than you. :grin: :kiss:
Thats crazy....i'm will bell as well, i'm 22 with 2 years no claims, no points and I pay £470 on my 8v :undecided: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Btw, i can't remember if i've already said (i can't be arsed reading back through!) Nice looking car :cool:
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That's crap. Mine were with Bell (same company though). Well I'll try not to rub it in too much if I end up getting a 16v in August and paying less than you. :grin: :kiss:
Thats crazy....i'm will bell as well, i'm 22 with 2 years no claims, no points and I pay £470 on my 8v :undecided: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Tried bell - For some reason it was more expensive.
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Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
Not much in it in terms of MPG tbh.
quite a bit in 0-60 though.
waste of time looking at sh!te like this, in the real world things are different
They were real world road test figures (autocar) I believe.
its all hype Wayne mate , iv had all 3 of these cars, on paper the VR should be pretty quick but in the real world they aint, especially when a 1.3 gti swift can easily outpace one up to 100 (on paper this is not the case, same for many other cars)
i only ever take these type of figures with a pinch of salt till i have actually driven the car.. did autocar really do the test or did they just get the results from VW.. end of the day you know where im coming from and im sure many wont agree but.....
No they were all real world road tests.
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
:laugh: :evil:
i love my rims, those and my seats are my fave part of the car tbh
I'll settle for the seats then. You can keep the rims. I'll give you the torn seats from my MK2? :grin:
its a deal :grin:
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
:laugh: :evil:
i love my rims, those and my seats are my fave part of the car tbh
How much were those seats out of curiosity?
I'll settle for the seats then. You can keep the rims. I'll give you the torn seats from my MK2? :grin:
its a deal :grin:
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I pay 700.00 ish for my mk2 16v and that's about to come down dramatically when i switch insurer from adrian flux to bell. 330.00 fully comp :grin:
Just wondered where the extra 100kg comes from between the 8v and 16v mk3? didn't think the ABF would weigh that much more?
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I pay 700.00 ish for my mk2 16v and that's about to come down dramatically when i switch insurer from adrian flux to bell. 330.00 fully comp :grin:
Just wondered where the extra 100kg comes from between the 8v and 16v mk3? didn't think the ABF would weigh that much more?
I'd be careful with that change buddy. I assume you're with Adrian Flux on a modified policy? Meaning you'll get like for like on mods for a start. Bell won't do that. You get mod cover but it's rubbish.
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I really want your wheels Kells. Please can I have them? :rolleyes:
:laugh: :evil:
i love my rims, those and my seats are my fave part of the car tbh
How much were those seats out of curiosity?
I'll settle for the seats then. You can keep the rims. I'll give you the torn seats from my MK2? :grin:
its a deal :grin:
Alot mate.. total value of the seats and retrim and carbon heated elements is like 2k or something... i got a good deal tho as MJ is a mate
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I love mk3s. My favourite VW by far. They are under-appreciated in the UK for some reason (cue tug boat jokes).
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Your still forgetting that a vr6 is quick, for a car of its time :grin:
Certainly alot quicker than an 8v anyway :laugh:
Nice cast - got them nibbling already :grin:
Did alright didnt i :grin:
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I pay 700.00 ish for my mk2 16v and that's about to come down dramatically when i switch insurer from adrian flux to bell. 330.00 fully comp :grin:
Just wondered where the extra 100kg comes from between the 8v and 16v mk3? didn't think the ABF would weigh that much more?
Head casting, extra valves and cam soon adds up.
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not quick for its time really, Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s list goes on, will all hammer a VR on the streets, maybe not right up on top end but certainly in a street race you would struggle in a VR
but yes, faster than a 8v, but with 3 timkes the fuel costs too :laugh:
8v mk3 is approx 36mpg and vr6 mk3 is about 32mpg (officially at least, missed the autocar bit earlier). more power to weight = engine under less load = not that bad on fuel.
besides how many Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s etc do you see on the road in comparison to vr6s. not to mention how many of those original engines are still working fine at hmmmm say 170,000 miles :kiss:
yeh sure the vr6 is by no means efficient regarding power output to cylinder capacity ratio, almost a bit agricultural for my liking but they sound nicer and have more useable mid range power than the 16v mk3
but hey im biased so slate me :tongue:
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not quick for its time really, Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s list goes on, will all hammer a VR on the streets, maybe not right up on top end but certainly in a street race you would struggle in a VR
but yes, faster than a 8v, but with 3 timkes the fuel costs too :laugh:
8v mk3 is approx 36mpg and vr6 mk3 is about 32mpg (officially at least). more power to weight = engine under less load = not that bad on fuel.
besides how many Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s etc do you see on the road in comparison to vr6s. not to mention how many of those original engines are still working fine at hmmmm say 170,000 miles :kiss:
yeh sure the vr6 is by no means efficient regarding power output to cylinder capacity ratio, almost a bit agricultural for my liking but they sound nicer and have more useable mid range power than the 16v mk3
but hey im biased so slate me :tongue:
Nope as your talking sense. :smiley:
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id say with the vr6 id noticed more consumption than my two 16v mk3's goings same sort of speeds and acceleration, not had a 8v yet only a 1.68v and that werent great on fuel as was ragged so expect why 8v is lower on consumtion as is worked harder. teh vr6 is to thirsty i think for the acceleration etc
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R5 GT turbos are massive amounts of fun ,,,,, they do go bang quite often tho
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R5 GT turbos are massive amounts of fun ,,,,, they do go bang quite often tho
I had a simple 1.4 R5 bought to get me around, taxed and MOT 12months 100.00 :shocked:
Most reliable car I've ever owned. :lipsrsealed:
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besides how many Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s etc do you see on the road in comparison to vr6s. not to mention how many of those original engines are still working fine at hmmmm say 170,000 miles :kiss:
a valid point but their is alot of these cars still about with owners like us lot on here..and the engines in anything JAP are far better than those in VAG :wink:
that said, these cars cant compair on build quality of the VW, my mk 3 feels like its built like a tank..
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besides how many Rs turbos R5 turbos, Swift GTI.s etc do you see on the road in comparison to vr6s. not to mention how many of those original engines are still working fine at hmmmm say 170,000 miles :kiss:
a valid point but their is alot of these cars still about with owners like us lot on here..and the engines in anything JAP are far better than those in VAG :wink:
that said, these cars cant compair on build quality of the VW, my mk 3 feels like its built like a tank..
I remember my old mk2 and my mates 205 were both in the shop at the same time. Comparing the wings off the cars was hilarious. The 205's was wobbling all over the place and you could almost read through it and the mk2 was fairly inflexible even without evn being bolted to the car. 2mm Jahman steel.
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yeah swift is the same, ultra thin metal, lean on it gently and it will dent... :laugh:
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VR's are fast, if you find a good one :tongue:
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intresting regarding who makes the better engines i think it depends what goal posts you decide to use.
VW motors are quite long lived but have a long stroke / bore ratio so generaly speacking they are ALL very good at makeing torque, they are also supriseingly efficent. but long stroke forces a relativly low redline and reduces avalible area for valves in cyl head
jap motors are long lived and tend to go for short stroke big bore. meaning they have loads of area in the head for valves and the short strok emeans piston speed isn't a problem when it comes to revs, so they can rev, but they don't tend to make as much torque so you have to rev them. tay do have the small rev mosters down to a fine art.
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i got 16Vs - just spread across 2 cars :grin:
thats pretty funny that, nice one
I got a mk4 2.0 8v Gti, its pretty fast round the streets and can live with my mates a4 2.0t 220bhp,
and will do 120 on motorway all day long, and will probably not let me down at all (breaking down)
i did want a 150bhp tdi golf, and still do though, loads more tuning potential.
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i got 16Vs - just spread across 2 cars :grin:
I got a mk4 2.0 8v Gti, its pretty fast round the streets and can live with my mates a4 2.0t 220bhp,
and will do 120 on motorway all day long, and will probably not let me down at all (breaking down)
I'm sorry mate but thats absolute bull crap! There is no way your 2.slow would keep up with an A4 that can hit 60 in less than 7 seconds! :rolleyes:
As for not breaking down.....give it time :laugh: