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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Freakinsweet on 19 May 2010, 18:14
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Interesting indeed but no surprise. May have been posted before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwfvnDt7BA
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"erm i dont know what I am doing wrong?" - You are trying to get VW quoted 0-60 times in the wet :rolleyes:
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then again both cars are doing it in the wet and both cars have 4wd. Perhaps not equal to VW test circumstances but equal at least between the two cars in the clip.
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seems like in the manual car at least he had the AC turned on - not sure how much power that will take away, but surely if you're doing speed runs you want to turn that off?
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Is it me or did he put the DSG into manual and not into Sport mode, cos he put it across instead of down :undecided:
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Yep I'd say it's better to launch a DSG in manual as the S mode can try to think (for example if you lift off a bit to stop wheelspin S mode can shift up whereas Manual will stay)
seems like in the manual car at least he had the AC turned on - not sure how much power that will take away, but surely if you're doing speed runs you want to turn that off?
Excuses :laugh:
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
I do agree. It does seem a bit behind the times. But I will say that the previous tests were all GTI DSG v GTI which was front wheel drive. Therefore the Launch control came a bit more into play. At least now with both cars having 4wd it seems to be more a test of gear change times rather than launch ability.
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
also the red-line does not make one bit of difference as your puny K03 turbo will run out of puff by 6krpm :nerd:
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In wet condition, no humans can react better than a computer. Besides the manual car is a 5 door which takes away the weight adavantage of a manual car. It will be more interesting if they do rolling start (Youtube style); I think it will be more relevant to everyday street racing/road rage!
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
also the red-line does not make one bit of difference as your puny K03 turbo will run out of puff by 6krpm :nerd:
Well not according to VW its not, you know the people that made the cars. Who do I believe, them or a nob on a forum ?
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In wet condition, no humans can react better than a computer. Besides the manual car is a 5 door which takes away the weight adavantage of a manual car. It will be more interesting if they do rolling start (Youtube style); I think it will be more relevant to everyday street racing/road rage!
lets say 0-62 is faster with dsg, and lets say no human is faster than a computer (which I agree with) but lets also say the computer changes gear before red-line (which it does) and lets say hypothetically were on a straight line... the manual will eventually catch you up and take over, it may take a bit of time but it will happen. So it is actually faster top speed.
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
also the red-line does not make one bit of difference as your puny K03 turbo will run out of puff by 6krpm :nerd:
One other thing, that I missed, since when does the EA888 have a K03 turbo ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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biggest load of tosh i have read kev since am1w claimed nitrogen reduced his unsprung weight..
http://www.arinahnell.com/other/vw/tech/20tsi.pdf (http://www.arinahnell.com/other/vw/tech/20tsi.pdf) page 6!
your turbo (whatever it is) runs out of puff just after 6krpm so it does not matter how much harder you rev it as you aint going to get anymore out of it until you upshift - fact!
although by all means give it a go kev :smiley: rev it up to 8krpm and try some flat shifting while your at it :smug:
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:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
GTI 0-60 DSG 6.9 seconds
GTI 0-60 Manual 6.9 seconds
yeah, its much faster :rolleyes:
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In wet condition, no humans can react better than a computer. Besides the manual car is a 5 door which takes away the weight adavantage of a manual car. It will be more interesting if they do rolling start (Youtube style); I think it will be more relevant to everyday street racing/road rage!
lets say 0-62 is faster with dsg, and lets say no human is faster than a computer (which I agree with) but lets also say the computer changes gear before red-line (which it does) and lets say hypothetically were on a straight line... the manual will eventually catch you up and take over, it may take a bit of time but it will happen. So it is actually faster top speed.
A comedy post :laugh:. love it!! :smiley:
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
also the red-line does not make one bit of difference as your puny K03 turbo will run out of puff by 6krpm :nerd:
One other thing, that I missed, since when does the EA888 have a K03 turbo ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
one thing i missed too... the ea888 does have a K03 Turbo and its had it since the vw techs put the car together :smug:
if you wanted to rev over 7krpm then you should have bought the R but you didnt because you cant afford one :kiss:
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Steve Sutcliffe testing manual versus Dsg. £1305 well spent imo.
Two cars, same conditions and an accurate speed checker, and someone that can drive and handle a car slightly better then joe public.
VW claims are well out. Id be pretty pissed Vw sold me a car thats half second slower then they claim.
Not good.
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In wet condition, no humans can react better than a computer. Besides the manual car is a 5 door which takes away the weight adavantage of a manual car. It will be more interesting if they do rolling start (Youtube style); I think it will be more relevant to everyday street racing/road rage!
lets say 0-62 is faster with dsg, and lets say no human is faster than a computer (which I agree with) but lets also say the computer changes gear before red-line (which it does) and lets say hypothetically were on a straight line... the manual will eventually catch you up and take over, it may take a bit of time but it will happen. So it is actually faster top speed.
A comedy post :laugh:. love it!! :smiley:
Could be worse, I could be a compedy driver who does f**k all but crash his car. :grin:
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tbh its not a very good test. What was he hoping to prove anyway?? that dsg is faster than manual?? Thought that was done about 6yrs ago :undecided:
How is dsg faster ? since when could you red-line a dsg ?
:grin: its faster plain and simple....
as while your putting your foot on the clutch and changing gear, dsg has already done it, and you dont even have to take your foot of the accelerator
also the red-line does not make one bit of difference as your puny K03 turbo will run out of puff by 6krpm :nerd:
One other thing, that I missed, since when does the EA888 have a K03 turbo ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
one thing i missed too... the ea888 does have a K03 Turbo and its had it since the vw techs put the car together :smug:
if you wanted to rev over 7krpm then you should have bought the R but you didnt because you cant afford one :kiss:
Well as far as I'm aware the EA888 wannabe (EA113) has the K03 turbo, the superior EA888 uses the IHI turbo. If I'm wrong correct me, and I will apologise. If I'm not wrong, then you can kiss my arse.
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Could be worse, I could be a comedy driver who does f**k all but get his car crashed into... saving big mileage trips for the courtesy car and getting to thrash some other poor sods GTI around for a month or so whilst claiming a few grand for the pleasure :wink: :grin:
fixed it for you :grin:
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Well as far as I'm aware the EA888 wannabe (EA113) has the K03 turbo, the superior EA888 uses the IHI turbo. If I'm wrong correct me, and I will apologise. If I'm not wrong, then you can kiss my arse.
your wrong :tongue:
ea113 as found in the R / S3 / mk5ed30 has a k04 turbo, hence the 350-360hp you can acheive with a bit of tuning
the original ea113 as found in the mk5 gti (non ed30) had a k03.
the new ea888 as found in your mk6gti/scirocco tsi either has a k03 or IHI - although I have only heard the IHIs been in the new skoda's so far... so maybe you got lucky kev :wink:
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lets say 0-62 is faster with dsg, and lets say no human is faster than a computer (which I agree with) but lets also say the computer changes gear before red-line (which it does) and lets say hypothetically were on a straight line... the manual will eventually catch you up and take over, it may take a bit of time but it will happen. So it is actually faster top speed.
An amusing but informative video :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HpD5K6Qws
Check out rpm of change ups (DSG on right) :evil:
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VW claims are well out. Id be pretty pissed Vw sold me a car thats half second slower then they claim.
Not good.
It's coming out pretty fast in most other tests, and faster than the Focus RS in these :-
It feels much more of a "track" car than the R32 was
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4761/p1090465x.jpg
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track51.html 19th
http://www.fastestlaps.com/car_Volkswagen_Golf_R.html
http://www.forocepos.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61830&page=4 6th post down
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VW claims are well out. Id be pretty pissed Vw sold me a car thats half second slower then they claim.
Not good.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track51.html 19th
Thats a pretty awesome lap time. Is it going to get a remap at any point JonnyG???? :evil:
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[Thats a pretty awesome lap time. Is it going to get a remap at any point JonnyG???? :evil:
:evil: :evil: :evil: .. trust you R32UK :wink:
TBH I'm a bit put off with warranty worries for now, but it's a no brainer on an older car
Maybe after 18 months
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[Thats a pretty awesome lap time. Is it going to get a remap at any point JonnyG???? :evil:
:evil: :evil: :evil: .. trust you R32UK :wink:
TBH I'm a bit put off with warranty worries for now, but it's a no brainer on an older car
Maybe after 18 months
Good stuff!! Cant blame you for wanting to wait until you have a few miles on the clock. iirc you should see around 330bhp with just a remap :shocked:
That makes the R a serious machine.. and next on my shopping list :wink:
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Do it Jonny, leave Mr sensible brain behind!!!.
Look foward to testing the R with 4 wheel drive. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the same unit in my Ed 30 but with 4wd system added :smiley:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQXmwX0f4I&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQXmwX0f4I&feature=related)
Not really a race but check out that golf r's rear LED lights :cool:
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The golf if overpriced IMO, Its not a question of affording it. Its a question of the price. had the R order books
opened at the same time as the GTI before price and vat rise ide of prolly jumped on it. I hate to think of the price should the VAT rise to 20% which seems unavoidable + showroom tax haha sh!ts become a joke. However i ordered my GTI back in April 09 took delivery in september just as they started annoucing the r.
The R is underpowered as it is at 270bhp, The rivals Subaru Mitsubishi Ford all have cars with more bhp.
VW tried upping the game and the price. to mixed results
Ford now have a new RS version coming out, 330bhp I believe
Mitsubishi The Evo technologically is years ahead of VW. Crushing pace A to B
Subaru Im unsure here. Personally I feel they have taken a step backwards. Still an unrelenting car. Serious power
Ide wager my GTI currently would take down a standard golf r. VWR quickshift,APR stage 2 intake,Revo stage 1, Running max boost 102 octane fuel.
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The golf if overpriced IMO,
Do you mean the R or the whole Golf Range :undecided:
I think everyone agrees the R is overpriced ...... but that does'nt make it a bad car to drive ... in fact it's rather good :smiley:
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How does it actually compare to the R32??
If you could have the 3.2 V6 with 270bhp in the mk6 body would you? :huh:
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Mitsubishi The Evo technologically is years ahead of VW. Crushing pace A to B
Not that far ahead on a track in this video :wink: :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shEecUHNGf4&feature=player_embedded#!
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How does it actually compare to the R32??
If you could have the 3.2 V6 with 270bhp in the mk6 body would you? :huh:
Hmmm tough call.
IMO the R32 only ever had the V6 growl that made that car what it is.
To be honest i think ide rather have the TFSI engine simply because it can be modded easier and I like turbo'd cars. + I dont know anything much about engines but im guessing the 3.2 weighs more then the 2litre? please somebody correct me if im wrong.
And yes the whole golf range is OP. sh!ts just getting crazy in england. I wonder if prices would be on a par with the rest of europe had we joined the eu years back. Or is it just really ripoff britain where all companys just push up prices as soon as the product reaches our shores.
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How does it actually compare to the R32??
If you could have the 3.2 V6 with 270bhp in the mk6 body would you? :huh:
Have a read of my review here (I compare it directly with my R32) :smiley: :-
http://www.rforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=268.0
It has'nt quite got the same character / excitement as the R32 without the V6, but it's more of a Mr Sensible car ....yet deceptively quick and immensely capable in all conditions.
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Mitsubishi The Evo technologically is years ahead of VW. Crushing pace A to B
Not that far ahead on a track in this video :wink: :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shEecUHNGf4&feature=player_embedded#!
Carn't watch it on this sh!tty laptop im on. page wont load
Im guessing were talking about an FQ300 price wise that should be racing the GTI, Golf R vs FQ 320/340 depending on how how much blagging you stick into the mitsi salesmen
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Slightly off topic, but what the hell!
I have now driven the Mk5 Golf R32 and Mk6 Golf R back to back. Both with DSG. The Mk6 R rules easily. Fanatstic car. A must with Mk6 R is ACC. Othewise, it is a bone shaker!
PS: BTW, compared the Golf R with 'rooco R. Both with DSG. Again Golf R rules in every way.
But I still prefer a manual gearbox, though!
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How does it actually compare to the R32??
If you could have the 3.2 V6 with 270bhp in the mk6 body would you? :huh:
Have a read of my review here (I compare it directly with my R32) :smiley: :-
http://www.rforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=268.0
It has'nt quite got the same character / excitement as the R32 without the V6, but it's more of a Mr Sensible car ....yet deceptively quick and immensely capable in all conditions.
no worries will do :smiley:
clocking off now so will have a read tomorrow. Thats just my fear that its too mr sensible. I think it may just have to be a mk5 with turbo/supercharger (but i just know I will want a new car). So for now there is really only one car maker that still puts big engines in small cars :lipsrsealed: :wink:
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I think we have moved onto the eternal discussion about R/R32/GTI. :grin:
Returning to the DSG v Manual speed discussion. There are 2 reasons the DSG is quicker.
1. The actual shift time is less as the gear is already running so the clutch can come in and out quicker allowing for more drive to the wheels.
2. The DSG does not lift off the throttle and as a result the turbo keeps spooling. This takes away turbo lag. If you want to test this try and change gear on a manual and a DSG with a dump valve. On the manual you will hear the turbo release. On the DSG it is silent until you lift off the accelerator.
Manual may be more fun but from standstill to 60 the DSG is quicker.
I would also say that on higher speeds the DSG also works better as at 100mph+ the wind resistance of the vehicle decreases the speed so any lapse in acceleration through a gear change is magnified. The Dsg has no lapse in acceleration compared to a manual
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But yet a dsg will still be slower round a racetrack........
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..... possibly and only if it was been driven by a competent driver, where as dsg just does it everytime no matter how retarded the person behind the wheel is..... :rolleyes:
now im sure all the 'manual' members on this forum are adapt at heal-and-toe driving and left foot braking too make the most of the gear box :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Let's not forget that dsg has a mind of it's own at times and can be really annoying.
Unless your at a track racing, not paying around mind, the difference of 0.6 sec off the line is irrelevant imo. A good driver in a manual will always beat a average DSG driver.
I like both manual and DSG. Ideally, however implausable, I would like both combined.
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For those who are more geeky with the tech stuff. Are the first 3 gear ratio in the manual same as the DSG? Obvious one with the shorter gear ratio will play a big part in better in-gear and 0-60times!
They tested manual vs dual clutch in a Porsche dedicated magazine in 2008. The PDK Carrera S was faster up 120mph but the manual car start to catch up and overtook the PDK car at 160mph! Look closely at the gearratio, the PDK car have a shorter second, third and fourth gear! The first, fifth and sixth gear is exactly are same on both car!
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I can only comment from my own experience.
Up to about 120mph a DSG will leave a manual behind. No two ways about it. My 1/4 runs stop after this point so I've not had a chance to top out yet next to a manual. But I'm going to a little place called Germany in 2 weeks. :laugh:
Round a track the DSG can be considered more as a wife. For my part I am competent at heel/toe and double clutching and left foot braking so I never had a problem in taking a manual car round. In comparison the DSG annoys the life out of me. It always wants a different gear but you do learn to live with it. When that happens it becomes faster and faster and then I think they would be neck and neck. It's all about how comfortable the driver is in the car.
But the big advantage of a DSG on track is if I was to let my missus have a go. No over revs, no burnt clutch etc.
Ultimately though it comes down to personal preference. If you like manual, stick with manual. It's tried and tested and great. If you like automatics however then the DSG is by far the best auto I've driven.
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TBH, I am now even more delighted I chose a manual because I will soon be able to change gears with my Ed30 shifter. This is going to be both beautiful to view and delicious to touch continuously! :smiley:
The gear shift on the car is now sublime, even better than the Honda Type Rs.
No point the DSG lads going for the equivalent DSG Ed30 shifter as they are less tactile drivers than us manual persons and thus will be wasting their money. They will mainly look at the shift but hardly touch or use it. :evil: :laugh:
BTW, I am wearing my newly purchased bulletproof attire, so bring it on boys! :tongue: :laugh:
Enjoy your weekend. :grin:
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BTW, I am wearing my newly purchased bulletproof attire, so bring it on boys! :tongue: :laugh:
Enjoy your weekend. :grin:
So he wears protection to touch his new nob? :laugh: :laugh:
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BTW, I am wearing my newly purchased bulletproof attire, so bring it on boys! :tongue: :laugh:
Enjoy your weekend. :grin:
So he wears protection to touch his new nob? :laugh: :laugh:
I am trying so hard not to be knobbled by you and others :rolleyes:
Had some fun with Steve30, Kev on the Mk 5 Forum on the 'This Weeks Autocar' thead. Fun bunch. I like them.
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I know. I must say we have developed ourselves into more of a GIT forum than a GTI forum. I love it...
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I know. I must say we have developed ourselves into more of a GIT forum than a GTI forum. I love it...
+1 and brilliant play with the logo. :laugh:
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I know. I must say we have developed ourselves into more of a GIT forum than a GTI forum. I love it...
+1 and brilliant play with the logo. :laugh:
Merci
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But yet a dsg will still be slower round a racetrack........
How do you work that out ?
Neck and neck in this shootout, with the DSG edging it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M
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But yet a dsg will still be slower round a racetrack........
How do you work that out ?
Neck and neck in this shootout, with the DSG edging it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M
Female driver :laugh:
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How do you work that out ?
Neck and neck in this shootout, with the DSG edging it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M
Much depends on your driving style.
For me, any advantage DGS may have on the straights is eaten up by it's unpredictability and lesser ability to engine brake, so overall it's no quicker - but more frustrating.
No doubt, given enough time, you'd adapt.
I'm just not sure I want to....I want a car to work with me, not me have to adapt to work with the car.
I'd say it's fairly easy to accept DSG is faster off the line, and through the gears when it decides to kick down.
Faster point to point is probably as much a factor of confidence and understanding as it is DSG/Manual.
Personally, I find the DSG better on the diesels, as it needs to change gears less...and it just seems to always be in the perfect gear.
Sadly, not so on the GTI I borrowed.
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.... Much depends on your driving style.
.... I want a car to work with me, not me have to adapt to work with the car.
.... I find the DSG better on the diesels, as it needs to change gears less...and it just seems to always be in the perfect gear.
Perfectly put especially the comment in red. :smiley:
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.... Much depends on your driving style.
.... I want a car to work with me, not me have to adapt to work with the car.
.... I find the DSG better on the diesels, as it needs to change gears less...and it just seems to always be in the perfect gear.
Perfectly put especially the comment in red. :smiley:
+1
I love my DSG but I do agree with you :smiley:
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.... Much depends on your driving style.
.... I want a car to work with me, not me have to adapt to work with the car.
.... I find the DSG better on the diesels, as it needs to change gears less...and it just seems to always be in the perfect gear.
Perfectly put especially the comment in red. :smiley:
+1
I love my DSG but I do agree with you :smiley:
And I agree that you agree with me/us.
BTW have you looked at the Racoon and Carbonskin websites? Your reactions on the Warp Wrap thread please!
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I guess Formula 1 has got it wrong then :laugh: :wink:
Quote :-
The gearboxes of modern Formula One cars are now highly automated with drivers selecting gears via paddles fitted behind the steering wheel. The 'sequential' gearboxes used are very similar in principle to those of motorbikes, allowing gear changes to be made far faster than with the traditional ‘H’ gate selector, with the gearbox selectors operated electrically.
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For me, any advantage DGS may have on the straights is eaten up by it's unpredictability and lesser ability to engine brake, so overall it's no quicker - but more frustrating.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one
I find the DSG excellent for braking and engine braking. On a high speed straight coming to a hairpin bend you can brake hard and flip the left paddle a few times for perfect down changes to get engine braking and never have to take your hands off the wheel. I find I can brake later as a result. In manual mode you are in control of the gear changes.
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I guess Formula 1 has got it wrong then :laugh: :wink:
Quote :-
The gearboxes of modern Formula One cars are now highly automated with drivers selecting gears via paddles fitted behind the steering wheel. The 'sequential' gearboxes used are very similar in principle to those of motorbikes, allowing gear changes to be made far faster than with the traditional ‘H’ gate selector, with the gearbox selectors operated electrically.
Hardly relevant don't you think?
I don't live on a racetrack...and drive for fun...so different perspectives.
Besides, F1 cars haven't used H pattern gearboxes since Noah built his arc.
If I really wanted to have control, I'd have a 6 speed sequential dog-box...and not a computer controled DSG...then I'd have lightening quick gearchanges, with flat shift capability, and be in total control.
But as I don't live on a racetrack, I couldn't live with that either.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one
I find the DSG excellent for braking and engine braking. On a high speed straight coming to a hairpin bend you can brake hard and flip the left paddle a few times for perfect down changes to get engine braking and never have to take your hands off the wheel. I find I can brake later as a result. In manual mode you are in control of the gear changes.
I don't find that...
As discussed many times, DSG will only change down when it's happy...so you hit the brakes hard and click, click, click...and it's not going to drop down as fast. Unless all the DSG car's I've driven have been broken.
Manual isn't manual...it's more manual that Auto - with an electronic babysitter.
At the end of the day, you buy what suits you. There's no right or wrong.
You buy whichever makes you most comfortable/confident/faster.
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At the end of the day, you buy what suits you. There's no right or wrong.
You buy whichever makes you most comfortable/confident/faster.
The only exercise I get now-a-days is driving my car. :sad:
That's why I chose a manual. And that me lads is the best of all reasons IMO! :smiley:
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The only exercise I get now-a-days is driving my car. :sad:
That's why I chose a manual. And that me lads is the best of all reasons IMO! :smiley:
But if you had a DSG you could use your left hand to give yourself a hand job.
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The only exercise I get now-a-days is driving my car. :sad:
That's why I chose a manual. And that me lads is the best of all reasons IMO! :smiley:
But if you had a DSG you could use your left hand to give yourself a hand job.
:sick:
Can't, as I have a very painful left shoulder. :cry:
That's the passanger's job anyway. More fun that way I am told. :rolleyes:
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At the rate car's are developing I'm pretty sure a machine will do that for you soon. Maybe what the mysterious spare buttons are for in the mk6 :laugh:
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Manual gearbox all the way, much better.
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I would also say that on higher speeds the DSG also works better as at 100mph+ the wind resistance of the vehicle decreases the speed so any lapse in acceleration through a gear change is magnified. The Dsg has no lapse in acceleration compared to a manual
After a week of driving in the autobahn for the first time I'll have to agree that seems logical. Wind resistance at high speeds was a lot more than I initially thought. I got my GTI a number of times to about 220kph measured by my GPS . Letting off the throttle really slows the car down at those speeds. I'm glad to say though that even at 200+ kph the GTI was stable and not nervous at all. The general quality of the german roads is great. Also I have only good things to say about german drivers. There are some odd-balls as in all countries but in general I really like german drivers. :)
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There are some odd-balls as in all countries but in general I really like german drivers
Me too, in general most are decent drivers. Just got to check your rear view mirrors a lot and take into account how quickly they close on you at times before changing lanes
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There are some odd-balls as in all countries but in general I really like german drivers
Me too, in general most are decent drivers. Just got to check your rear view mirrors a lot and take into account how quickly they close on you at times before changing lanes
Yep. I saw a Porche Carrera GT and a GT3 in my rear view mirror at the same time coming quick as hell so I moved to let them pass. Was fun to try to keep up after they passed too. :D