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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Tailpipe on 13 May 2010, 10:56
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I have been wrestling for months about which car to get, the GTI or R, and having test driven both models I have concluded that the GTI is the superior car. Here's why:
1. The EA888 engine in the GTI is more frugal, more flexible and likely to have greater longevity than the R's EA113 due it having a steel cam shaft belt rather than a rubber one.
2. With the much greater power on offer with the R, it naturally seems to settle at around 38 mph on most roads, whereas the GTI is closer to 30 mph, although both will surge quite happily to speeds well above the national limit with very little lag when asked. The problem with the R is that when you are driving normally, say dropping the kids off at school, you find yourself driving very much faster on 30 mph limit roads than you should be going. The R feels unable to cruise comfortably below this speed.
3. The AWD system adds considerable weight to the R, but in most circumstances drive is only delivered through the front wheels, so you are carrying all that extra weight around and rarely actually use it. As you'd expect, this affects economy.
4. The R's ride and comfort is not as good as the GTI's across the variety of road surfaces we have in this country. The R's settings are much harder and less compliant overall. The balance of the three different settings for the ACC is notably better with the GTI. It is also worth noting that both the GTI and R ride better on 18" wheels, so the R's 19" are a waste of time, even if they look sexier.
5. The GTI is produced on a standard Golf production line, whereas the R is produced in batches, so the order process for the GTI is easier, faster and more certain.
6. The daylight running lights are used instead of the GTI's fog lights, which are actually very good; if you need fog lights in the R, you're stuffed. For this reason, most manufacturers are now incorporating DRLs in the main headlight unit. Until this happens with the Golf, the GTI's fog lights are probably more important than the R's LED DRLs.
7. The AWD system makes the boot much shallower restricting the kind of bags you can put in.
8. If extra performance is essential to you, you can chip a GTI to within a hair's breadth of that of the R for a fraction of the cost, although it looks like a faster version will be offered sometime before the next GTI arrives.
9. Overall, the GTI feels lighter and more nimble with a wider range of capabilities to suit your driving mood, whereas the R is simply a very focused sports car that's also a hatchback.
10. When you add up the differences and compare the prices, the GTI seems to make much more sense. It's hard to tell yet, but I suspect that the GTI may hold its value better than the R.
Having said all that, there is no doubt that both cars are fantastic. I'd be delighted to own either and in truth I still haven't made-up my mind about which one to get. While the GTI objectively seems to make more sense, the R has an emotional quality that defies categorisation. You can't get the GTI in Rising Blue, which is a superb colour, but then you can't get the R in carbon grey which is also very attractive.
What do you think? I'd be interested to hear other members views, especially if you've tested both models.
I was going to post this on the R forum, but it is such a heresy, i'm worried i might be banned. :evil:
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Oh dear i can hear the sh1t storm from here your going to cause :grin:
Its all down to an individuals priorities imo but myself i do agree with a number of your statments.
I did feel the R had more turbo lag though.
If they made a (ED30/Pirelli) mk6 ie a scirocco R, golf GTIR ie 2wd with 260PS i think i would have found it harder to choose. But still as im not a performance freak i still may have gone for the GTI because of practical reasons mpg etc.
I find the GTI badge brings emotional to me but the R just brings up no emotions its an L or GL badge to me.
I also find the ride much better on 17s. I have been running my mates 18s this week and i can feel steering kickback and shudder i don't get with the 17s. But i don't have ACC. (maybe the 18s are why i now have more rattles lol)
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Was there not a work-around to get the car in any colour that VW currently used?
Could be totally wrong but could you not order it abroad for delivery here? I'm sure I read someone mentioning it. I know it would be a hassle but to get that exclusive colour would make it worthwhile.
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You can put in a special order request with VW sales team at VW customer service to get it in any colour VW currently do.
Good afternoon,
Thank you for your recent enquiry. I am delighted to learn of your continued interest in Volkswagen, in order to request a non standard colour on the order; the retailer will need to request a special build from the factory. If your retailer calls or emails our sales team then they can request this build from the factory.Regards
Damien Quirk extension 63296
Volkswagen Enquiry Management
Damien.Quirk@volkswagen.co.uk
www.volkswagen.co.uk
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You can put in a special order request with VW sales deam at VW customer service to get it in any colour VW currently do.
As easy as that? Brilliant. Was that at a cost of £1.5k?
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No idea i never found out as mine was already ordered months earlier. If i had i would have had a metallic red one more than likley.
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I'm surprise reason 1. isn't 'costs about £6k more' like it has been on everything else I've read :shocked:
As for custom colours - I knew Audi did it, and VW used to do it - but I thought they'd stopped. You can walk into an Audi garage with an old curtain and have them colour match if for you :laugh:
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I would probably agree with most of whats written above to some extend.... but given a choice between the 2 it would still be the R for me :grin: :cool:
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"5. The GTI is produced on a standard Golf production line, whereas the R is produced in batches, so the order process for the GTI is easier, faster and more certain."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... ha! :grin: :smiley:
8 months from order to collection.
Would total agree with all your other points, great write up.
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I find the GTI badge brings emotional to me but the R just brings up no emotions its an L or GL badge to me.
^^^ This is my thoughts exactly. I always wanted a '90 spec, big bumper MKII GTI, so I bought the MKV instead of an ST or Civic Type R. The 'GTI' is much more emotive.
@ P3eps - Your R looks the absolute shizzle. :drool:
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Sorry,
In my opinion having AWD, exclusivity, serious perfomance and very subtle performance looks are all more important than those 10.
I think you want the R but are trying to convince yourself that you really want the GTi.
I love my GTi but would take an R in a heartbeat.
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It's academic for me... I can't afford either.
But I'd rather an S3 than a MKVI R.
Steers for queers, ETTO innit?
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What do you think? I'd be interested to hear other members views, especially if you've tested both models.
I was going to post this on the R forum, but it is such a heresy, i'm worried i might be banned. :evil:
I think you're wrong. :evil:
Please post on the R forum and give us the opportunity to respond. Maybe I'll do 10 reasons why the R is better than GTI. :tongue: Horses for courses really, both excellent cars.
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But I'd rather an S3 than a MKVI R.
Me too, I even looked at the S3 over the GTI but went for the GTI. But if i could stand the rear and side view of a scirocco R it would be the one i would go for over the S3. Im just not a fan of heldex.
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I've responded to Tailpipe's 10 reasons wht the GTI is better than the R here:
http://www.rforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=540.msg4366#msg4366
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What we need is VW to make a GTiR! :rolleyes:
Two 'rocco GTs on my street. UAF from the the rear. But even worse is that crappy Eos dashboard centre console. :sick:
The consensus from neighbours is: the GTi is chic and upmarket, the 'roccos look odd and fussy. Their words, not mine.
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I know this is a GTi forum and I own a GTi, but I am quite sure there are 10 good reasons why the R is better then the GTi.
As for me, if I was not so stingy, if the fuel consumption was a bit better with the R and if its boot was a bit bigger, I would go for it, big time!
Conclusion: Both equally good but different.
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What we need is VW to make a GTIR :rolleyes:
Based on the move advanced Audi version of the EA888 engine. :wink: But im happy with what i have anyway. Mind if i had not got the golf and was looking still i could of been swayed if VW/audi actually put into production there twin turbo diesel into a GTDR
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What we need is VW to make a GTIR :rolleyes:
Based on the move advanced Audi version of the EA888 engine.
But im happy with what i have anyway. Mind if i had not got the golf and was looking still i could of been swayed if VW/audi actually put into production there twin turbo diesel into a GTDR
That would have been the one for me too. Just imagine the mid range torque on that once it was re-mapped :shocked:
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Who gives a sh!!t about the golf R , I know I don't!! :evil:
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Now thats what I want a GTDR twin turbo 210bhp Diesel. Mu hahaha.
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Now thats what I want a GTDR twin turbo 210bhp Diesel. Mu hahaha.
Now your talking twin turbo diesel awd :tongue:
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The last talk in production form it was running 221bhp and the torque was 332lb ft at 1750rpm
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The Merc C Class Sport 350 CDI 7-Speed Auto we have is quite brilliant. Perfect finish and huge torque. Hate the 'foot operated hand brake' and the car is too big to park in my car park at work.
Yes, a twin turbo diesel DSG Golf would rock and rock, especially in London. :smiley:
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The last talk in production form it was running 221bhp and the torque was 332lb ft at 1750rpm
:evil:
Snoopy, do you know if that's the same twin turbo TDI engine that is in the new Transporter van?
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I have been wrestling for months about which car to get, the GTI or R
why waste months dreaming about what to get. get on the phone and order one, either one. its all about budget but imo the gti is the best. 'think of the heritage', its iconic. u look at its design, u can see its development from the mark 1. u can smell the smell of old. u know what this 'baby' represents- this isn't some fancy design from the latest car designer- if it was it would look like a civic- no heritage, no design heritage, one civic, one era doesn't look like one from another. there isn't that development in its design. a golf is unmistakeable- like in the adverts, 'like a golf'...... the gti is just as iconic as the 911. just the mention of 'gti' to any car enthusiast brings them a smile :smiley: the 'r' is no doubt good. but the 'r' has no real heritage(minus the golf)- just something the vw men made up not long ago to compete with the neighbours.... its all up to u, but all this 'faffing about' is just wasting your time. it just means u will wait longer for your car. get it quick, drive it, live it, enjoy it and not be the one dreaming.......'WHAT IF...'(sarcastic honda ad urine-take) :smug:
as for the bloke saying get a s3. dont bother! new one out next year.
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to be honest guys I look at it this way.
30 years ago there was the GTI...
then came the g60 and there was still the GTI...
then came the vr6 and there was still the GTI...
then came the r32 and there was still the GTI...
the r32 stuck around for a bit with the GTI. Then the r32 left and in came the R. But guess what....
There is still the GTI.
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Tailpipe you've put forward a very concinving argument.
personally i don't think you could say a car is 'better' than another one though - I echo a previous point made that they each stand in their own right for the type of use that these will be bought for.
i get the feeling i'm the slowest GTI driver on this entire forum, but i find the GTI plenty fast for what i use it for. in fact today i went on an airport run to pick up my dear old gran. she can get in easily in the back being 5 doors (although you can get the R in 5 doors too can't you?), and the ride didn't seem so harsh as to rattle her bones into a million pieces. i guess she was on a plane a little while before though, anything was probably better than the bumpy plane ride :undecided: but would my gran have been able to live with a journey in a Golf R? maybe... but i wouldn't have liked to try it given the choice. and could *I* live with the ride of a Golf R every day? i don't think so. in terms of the daily 'livability' i would agree the GTI wins.
having said that, after reading about the many posts on the R on this forum, i've come to appreciate the views of others saying it is an awesome car. if money were no object i would definitely consider it. however most of us i'm sure aren't made of money, and the cost of the machine as well as subsequent running costs have to be considered. between the GTI and the R, in terms of value for money, surely the GTI wins by a large margin.
also for me i agree with the 'emotional' aspect of it - i must admit i'm sort of a newcomer into the whole VW and GTI thing; i was never really into the old GTIs (i guess i just wasn't paying attention to it then) but i love anything that recognises its roots and love anything retro, and the latest GTI has that for sure. it's quite lame really as really it's just the 2 red stripes and the tartan seats that i recognise (i know nothing about how the old cars used to drive or anything like that), but it's still unmistakeable GTI DNA and it just makes you think that you've bought into a dynasty.
to be honest guys I look at it this way.
30 years ago there was the GTI...
then came the g60 and there was still the GTI...
then came the vr6 and there was still the GTI...
then came the r32 and there was still the GTI...
the r32 stuck around for a bit with the GTI. Then the r32 left and in came the R. But guess what....
There is still the GTI.
i love that post :) well put
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I think a few people are missing the point. If the R was the same price as the GTI, then I know which one I would choose :evil:
I know alot of people dont really condone racing but I had this tw4t of a GTTDI (170) driver all over my a$$ this morning. In first and second there wasnt much in it. Had I had 4wd he would have been dust!
I then let him past, and waited for him to floor it... a big fat puff of black smoke later and i found myself easing off a number of times before he moved over. Letting loose it was almost as if he was going backwards. I know from having the R32 that not many cars can live with the AWD off the line. With a remapped Golf R it would make many other cars look a little stupid!
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as for the bloke saying get a s3. dont bother! new one out next year.
To clarify, I said (purely hypothetical and in MY opinion) I'd rather have the Audi badge and an S3 over a MKVI R, but NOT over a current GTI, or older R32...
If the R was the same price as the GTI, then I know which one I would choose :evil:
^^^ That's a whole other thread, matey :laugh:
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I then let him past, and waited for him to floor it... a big fat puff of black smoke later and i found myself easing off a number of times before he moved over. Letting loose it was almost as if he was going backwards. I know from having the R32 that not many cars can live with the AWD off the line. With a remapped Golf R it would make many other cars look a little stupid!
Ahh.. reminds me of the gold old days with the "What cars have you beaten in you GTI?" topic. I used to love reading your accounts of "scalping" lesser mortals with your Mk 5 R32. :D
Maybe I'll start a "What cars have you beaten in your R?" topic over on R Forum.
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i get the feeling i'm the slowest GTI driver on this entire forum, but i find the GTI plenty fast for what i use it for
there are a few of us :wink:
in fact today i went on an airport run to pick up my dear old gran. she can get in easily in the back being 5 doors (although you can get the R in 5 doors too can't you?), and the ride didn't seem so harsh as to rattle her bones into a million pieces. i guess she was on a plane a little while before though, anything was probably better than the bumpy plane ride :undecided: but would my gran have been able to live with a journey in a Golf R? maybe... but i wouldn't have liked to try it given the choice. and could *I* live with the ride of a Golf R every day? i don't think so.
Im the same without ACC i could not live with the ride in the R. Even then im not sure i could. The GTI is higher than the limit i was wanting.
as for the bloke saying get a s3. dont bother! new one out next year.
And theres a new golf the year after.
Its always better to buy a car near its end of life as all the bugs and errors have been ironed out. Unlike the current mk6 golf
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In first and second there wasnt much in it.
You had 100hp on him and you still couldn't blast his a$$? Shame on you :wink:
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to be honest guys I look at it this way.
30 years ago there was the GTI...
then came the g60 and there was still the GTI...
then came the vr6 and there was still the GTI...
then came the r32 and there was still the GTI...
the r32 stuck around for a bit with the GTI. Then the r32 left and in came the R. But guess what....
There is still the GTI.
Great post!
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In first and second there wasnt much in it.
You had 100hp on him and you still couldn't blast his a$$? Shame on you :wink:
Epic fail.
Remapped GTI takes quite alot of cars. I "Drive" mine down Junction 27 on Sundays. Lots of Subaru's half of them bags of sh!t, nothing better then beating a subaru driver, the face is a picture Lots of Type R's, Older shape M3's, Older Evo's / new evo's couple of R8's, porsches everything more or less.
Last week upwards of 80cars there, The majority having a good old "drive" between the roundabouts.
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my missus has just seen a golf r up in cambridge - first either of us have seen on the road - she said it looked really plain. i'll stick with the GTI. :cool:
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I then let him past, and waited for him to floor it... a big fat puff of black smoke later and i found myself easing off a number of times before he moved over. Letting loose it was almost as if he was going backwards. I know from having the R32 that not many cars can live with the AWD off the line. With a remapped Golf R it would make many other cars look a little stupid!
Ahh.. reminds me of the gold old days with the "What cars have you beaten in you GTI?" topic. I used to love reading your accounts of "scalping" lesser mortals with your Mk 5 R32. :D
Maybe I'll start a "What cars have you beaten in your R?" topic over on R Forum.
Those days are few and far between now... do occasionally have to give into persestant a$$holes though :grin: :grin:
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In first and second there wasnt much in it.
You had 100hp on him and you still couldn't blast his a$$? Shame on you :wink:
there is only so much power you can put down in 1st and 2nd. :wink:
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to be honest guys I look at it this way.
30 years ago there was the GTI...
then came the g60 and there was still the GTI...
then came the vr6 and there was still the GTI...
then came the r32 and there was still the GTI...
the r32 stuck around for a bit with the GTI. Then the r32 left and in came the R. But guess what....
There is still the GTI.
Great post!
So true. In 5 -10 years time the R will be a R4R or something similar.
The GTI will still be a GTI.
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and it's got a smaller boot !
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All I can say is that we're lucky to have the choice! Assuming we can afford the choice that is at over £30K for a bloody Golf and a likely VAT rise imminent. :cry:
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Johnathan Woss would love to own an R! :evil:
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I will give you one reason why the GTI is NOT better than the "R"........
BECAUSE THEY MADE THE "R" BETTER...!!!!
That is the whole point of the VW Engineers...to make an ÃœBER Golf...
I do have the GTI emotions myself even stronger now with remapping my GTI but I try to stay with both feet on the ground..... :smiley:.
...oh and if the looks are a bit too plain comparing to the GTI there are loads of ways to give it a bit of extra... :evil:
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Johnathan Woss would love to own one! :evil:
Kenneth Williams already does :lipsrsealed:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01202/Kenneth-Williams-4_1202838c.jpg)
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Johnathan Woss would love to own one! :evil:
Kenneth Williams already does :lipsrsealed:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01202/Kenneth-Williams-4_1202838c.jpg)
:laugh:
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I don't like where this thread is going. :angry: :wink:
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I don't like where this thread is going. :angry: :wink:
Now, now, play nice, play safe, play mate! :wink: :grin:
Oh, GTis talking to GTis on GTi forum, if you don't mind Audi lover! :wink:
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Ive owned both mk6 GTI and Golf R!
And I now from experience the Golf R is better!!!!!
The mk5 GTI chassis was far more supperior and fun with a remap than any mk6 gti!!!!
If you need to now the differences just ASK......
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The mk5 GTI chassis was far more supperior and fun with a remap than any mk6 gti!!!!
Strange statement.... :rolleyes:
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Ive owned both mk6 GTI and Golf R!
And I now from experience the Golf R is better!!!!!
The mk5 GTI chassis was far more supperior and fun with a remap than any mk6 gti!!!!
If you need to now the differences just ASK......
And I for one am so happy for you! :smiley:
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The mk5 GTI chassis was far more supperior and fun with a remap than any mk6 gti!!!!
Strange statement.... :rolleyes:
............................................................................and without :huh:
Strange??? I think what you mean is a load of b0ll0x!! :wink:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum.
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum.
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
I get more than 37mpg :laugh: :grin:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum. :sick:
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
:sick:
Go electric for God's sake. :evil:
You can start off with the Wolseley (?) Riley to adapt. :wink:
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The Rileys in bits but its the most fun car i currently own imo. You can drive it at legal speeds and have a huge grin factor. It has such direct steering, light weight and is so direct like a gokart. So much connection and comunication to the driver but thats old minis for you. Non of this modern technology that disconnects you from the driving experience and computers to get you out of trouble that leave you cold.
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The Rileys in bits but its the most fun car i currently own imo. You can drive it at legal speeds and have a huge grin factor. It has such direct steering, light weight and is so direct like a gokart. So much connection and comunication to the driver but thats old minis for you. Non of this modern technology that disconnects you from the driving experience and computers to get you out of trouble that leave you cold.
The last fun car I owned was a Peugeot 306 GTi 6 which I wrote-off on the A40 in London. God, the airbags were bloody loud when they deployed and I broke two front teeth! It caused an 8 mile tailback, was on all the news channels and I did not have to go to work that day. Went straight to my Dentist and got my coconut-scrapers beautifully fixed! My already perfect smile had improved considerably! :laugh:
Those were the days when men were men and cars were nearly more fun than sex! :cry: :sad:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum. :sick:
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
:sick:
Go electric for God's sake. :evil:
You can start off with the Wolseley (?) Riley to adapt. :wink:
....any slower and she will be going electric... :wink:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum. :sick:
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
:sick:
Go electric for God's sake. :evil:
You can start off with the Wolseley (?) Riley to adapt. :wink:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
....any slower and she will be going electric... :wink:
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Golf R all day for me. It has the k04 bolted to it, and coupled to a 4wd system, Even with a remap on a GTi, do the same just by one stage, you have an absolute weapon in the R. The same comparrison between k03 mk5 and Edition30 with the k04 turbo.
It take just £400 to transform a GTi to better performance. But do the same for the same ammount of money on the R, and you have a properly fast car that most things on the road would find it hard to live with.
Power is no good without Traction. Something my Stage 2 Edition30 needs!!.
Exclusivity is another + on the R. Because they are priced high, not as many being ordered, but im sure will help 2nd hand values later on.
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I have not had a chance to look at the R forum, but I am sure they are not so derogatory towards GTis.
They know they have got the fastest VW in wet and dry!
Let's admit it: It is a fabulous car, 'engineered by a genius priced by a bafoon', has a tiny boot and I love it to bits! :smiley:
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I have not had a chance to look at the R forum, but I am sure they are not so derogatory towards GTis.
They know they have got the fastest VW in wet and dry!
Let's admit it: It is a fabulous car, 'engineered by a genius priced by a bafoon', has a tiny boot and I love it to bits! :smiley:
I think you may want to go read the forum :wink:
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I have not had a chance to look at the R forum, but I am sure they are not so derogatory towards GTis.
They know they have got the fastest VW in wet and dry!
Let's admit it: It is a fabulous car, 'engineered by a genius priced by a bafoon', has a tiny boot and I love it to bits! :smiley:
I think you may want to go read the forum :wink:
Can't be bothered reading the R forum. Looks a bit dull and boring IMO. Have a much better time here! :wink:
Anyway, they are brastards if they are being horrible.
I love the R to bits, but I love my GTi even more! :laugh:
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but I love my GTi even more! :laugh:
You may want to have a look at the badge on the front and rear of your car too :tongue: :wink:
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but I love my GTi even more! :laugh:
You may want to have a look at the badge on the front and rear of your car too :tongue: :wink:
VW? :wink:
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My lass just said the quicker the car the quicker they cum.
I think i like the golf 1.4 now :evil:
Ha ha atleast your lass is being honest with you!!! Just ask her for me how many more quick cummers shes had? sounds like shes had alot!!!!!!lol
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I love the R to bits, but I love my GTi even more! :laugh:
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.....you might wanna correct this....see your latest breaking news... :smug:
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I love the R to bits, but I love my GTi even more! :laugh:
.....you might wanna correct this....see your latest breaking news... :smug:
Opinions and tastes change. That is part of being human.
And you know what: I also now feel that for what it is and for what it does, the R is good value for money! :smiley:
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Agreed...but I find a GTI also a lot of car for its money...(especially a remapped one :laugh:).... :evil:
I cannot name a lot of affordable (same price-range) cars with a combo of speed and luxury... :wink:
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Agreed...but I find a GTI also a lot of car for its money...(especially a remapped one :laugh:).... :evil:
I cannot name a lot of affordable (same price-range) cars with a combo of speed and luxury... :wink:
Agreed. :smiley:
After doing some rough calculations, the GTi is possibly better value for money than the R. VW have probably overpriced the R by around £1000. However, this is not unusual as the 'law of diminishing returns' is very liberally applied by most manufacturers.
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When i nearly cancelled my GTI order due to my so helpful dealer. I looked at the golf R and worked out it would cost me 10K more than i was paying for the GTI, I also looked at the scirocco R and actually liked it more than the golf R. But thats a personal thing.
I decided then to see what panned out as for 10K i can always buy a nice used 4x4 car for the times the 2WD may struggle ie winter as it snows abit up these hills.
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Snoops:
The standard 5 door R costs £31,310 (this includes 18" wheels, Bi-Xenons and headlamp washers).
The 5 door GTi with Bi-Xenons and 18" wheels comes to £26,440, which makes a difference of £4,870.
Now consider the better standard seating (IMO) in the R (+£800 my guess), the more poweful engine (+£1,000 my guess) and the 4WD (+£2,000 my guess), then the difference is £1,070.
I gave VW the benifit of doubt by £70 (!) and arrived at a figure of £1,000!
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PS: The R would cost much more in fuel and the small boot is a bit of a disappointment. However, it's a great all weather machine. Worth the £1,000? Most definitely. :grin:
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The standard 5 door R costs £31,310 (this includes 18" wheels, Bi-Xenons and headlamp washers).
The 5 door GTi with Bi-Xenons and 18" wheels comes to £26,440, which makes a difference of £4,870.
Now consider the better standard seating (IMO) in the R (+£800 my guess), the more poweful engine (+£1,000 my guess) and the 4WD (+£2,000 my guess), then the difference is £1,070.
I gave VW the benifit of doubt by £70 (!) and arrived at a figure of £1,000!
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If this was in reply to my post. I would reply, Better seating i disagree the golf R cloth looks cheap and nasty. If the prices are also a reply to what i said I would like to point out that was said by me was what i paid and what i was going to have to pay then at that point in time for a similar spec R from stock.
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Snoops:
I am with you on the 'real' buying costs, but not for the seats. :smiley:
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The standard 5 door R costs £31,310 (this includes 18" wheels, Bi-Xenons and headlamp washers).
Now consider the better standard seating (IMO) in the R (+£800 my guess), the more poweful engine (+£1,000 my guess) and the 4WD (+£2,000 my guess), then the difference is £1,070
There are also a few more extras with the R in addition to the above :wink: , the value of which depends on your subjective view. But many of you GTi'ers have paid extra £100's for the LED rear lights.
- LED Rear lights (up until now anyway)
- Front LED DRL's
- Lower body side skirts in body colour
- Lowered R suspension
- Upgraded Brakes (over the GTi)
However I still agree the R is overpriced by a £1000 or two :rolleyes:
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Here's a close up of my front seat after 3000 miles.
I prefer the Recaro's for sure :drool:
but quite like the standard cloth seats and Alcantara bolsters
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/Jerry_G/Seats.jpg)
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There are also a few more extras with the R in addition to the above :wink: , the value of which depends on your subjective view. But many of you GTi'ers have paid extra £100's for the LED rear lights.
- LED Rear lights (up until now anyway) - Parity
- Front LED DRL's - Tick.
- Lower body side skirts in body colour - Don't like - tacky. Cross off.
- Lowered R suspension - Tick.
- Upgraded Brakes (over the GTi) - Big tick.
However I still agree the R is overpriced by a £1000 or two :rolleyes:
Answers as above!
I love the seats and would prefer them to leather.
There you go. The R is therefore better value for money than the GTi by over £1,000 at least. :wink:
See how the tables have turned! :smiley:
Hate mail welcome! :evil: :laugh:
Anyway, I am very happy with my GTi and though would love to own an R, would be unable to accept the lousy fuel consumption in London driving and the dinky boot. So I made the right choice for myself. I am sure a re-mapped GTi would provide me with some of the thrills of the R.
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3 out of 5 then !
Thanks Teacher :grin: :wink:
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3 out of 5 then !
Thanks Teacher :grin: :wink:
You've failed!
Answer is 3 out of 4! :laugh:
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Why is the R's boot so much smaller than the GTI?
Gizzy
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The haldex 4 wheel drive system means the boot floor has to be raised :smiley:
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Honestly,
No room for shopping from Harrods! :wink:
Oh, and for my wooden third leg! :laugh:
I'm on the red now! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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If fuel consumption is so much more my next car (I have already 5000 km on this one :laugh:) within 4 years will most certainly NOT be an "R"
since the lease company charges huge amounts for fuel :smug:.....see I finally found myself a (the only) valid reason...I cannot afford it... :grin:
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If fuel consumption is so much more my next car (I have already 5000 km on this one :laugh:) within 4 years will most certainly NOT be an "R"
since the lease company charges huge amounts for fuel :smug:.....see I finally found myself a (the only) valid reason...I cannot afford it... :grin:
I feel a good re-think will be necessary regarding this when we all change in approx 3 years time.
On some days I get 6-9 mpg in London for an average speed of 6 mph. :sick:
It will have to be a diesel at this rate.
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Snoops:
I am with you on the 'real' buying costs, but not for the seats. :smiley:
They will suffer the same problems my cousin has with his skoda Vrs seats due to the white'ish bits. They will be fine if you wear a dress :evil:
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Snoops:
I am with you on the 'real' buying costs, but not for the seats. :smiley:
They will suffer the same problems my cousin has with his skoda Vrs seats due to the white'ish bits. They will be fine if you wear a dress :evil:
Blue Jeans are very damaging to both cloth and leather seats, IMO.
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If fuel consumption is so much more my next car (I have already 5000 km on this one :laugh:) within 4 years will most certainly NOT be an "R"
since the lease company charges huge amounts for fuel :smug:.....see I finally found myself a (the only) valid reason...I cannot afford it... :grin:
I feel a good re-think will be necessary regarding this when we all change in approx 3 years time.
On some days I get 6-9 mpg in London for an average speed of 6 mph. :sick:
It will have to be a diesel at this rate.
I think a push bike might be a more sensible idea.
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I think a push bike might be a more sensible idea.
Not quite, as it is pretty dangerous in the 'BIG Smoke'.
I know exactly which my next car will be. :wink: :smiley:
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Your not teasing us at all Amz
Give us a clue?
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Your not teasing us at all Amz
Give us a clue?
Moi? A tease? :grin:
I will as soon as I have done some checking.
Def will not be a gas guzzler like my GTi! :rolleyes:
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You want to forget a remap if fuel consumption is your problem.....the lease co wanted to charge me 20 euro extra each month...despite all the claims that it runs cheaper... :smiley:
I must admit that fuel when driving fast is costly... :lipsrsealed:
I can live with my present situation and that is an understatement... :cool:
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You want to forget a remap if fuel consumption is your problem.....the lease co wanted to charge me 20 euro extra each month...despite all the claims that it runs cheaper... :smiley:
I must admit that fuel when driving fast is costly... :lipsrsealed:
I can live with my present situation and that is an understatement... :cool:
Agreed. The GTI is ok on fuel when driven normally, but floor a remapped car and mileage goes through the roof :embarassed: If you want to get really depressed, Erik, try putting the MFD on instant consumption and then flooring it: it maxes out at 49.9 l/100km (4.5 mpg) :laugh:
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Erik , You said you never looked at the fuel gauge :tongue:
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Erik , You said you never looked at the fuel gauge :tongue:
Nope still not.....BUT the old GTI MK V brought me as an average once every two weeks on a friday to the gasstation....the MK VI gets me there quicker in every sence of the word.......even without a gauge you can do the math..... :laugh:
BTW
I have a lease company who seems to scrutinize my fuel gauge for me.... :lipsrsealed: