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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: beechymonza on 15 March 2010, 16:27
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I gotta say that my gti 16v is not almighty fast up until i hit 4500rpm, An then it just feels supersonic.
The 1st time it happened 2 me i had 2 check under the bonnet 2 see if it had a turbo attached 2 it,
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I gotta say i read this a few times and wondered if there was some text missing :grin:
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I gotta say I've also read this a few times and I'm wondering the same or whether there was any point to this post if not...
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I gotta say that my gti 16v is not almighty fast up until i hit 4500rpm, An then it just feels supersonic.
The 1st time it happened 2 me i had 2 check under the bonnet 2 see if it had a turbo attached 2 it,
....but it didnt.
The end.
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I gotta say that my gti 16v is not almighty fast up until i hit 4500rpm, An then it just feels supersonic.
The 1st time it happened 2 me i had 2 check under the bonnet 2 see if it had a turbo attached 2 it,
....but it didnt.
The end.
Just been out to check mine, turns out it does hmmmmmm???
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Just been out to check mine, turns out it does hmmmmmm???
Isn't yours on an engine stand and thus easy to check for this sort of spec detail?
Looked under the bonnet of mine recently and only found 8 valves.
I was slightly disappointed, but hey - it'll just have to do.
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Just been out to check mine, turns out it does hmmmmmm???
Isn't yours on an engine stand and thus easy to check for this sort of spec detail?
Looked under the bonnet of mine recently and only found 8 valves.
I was slightly disappointed, but hey - it'll just have to do.
Nah its on a bench in the middle of rural lincolnshire :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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You should get it a transfer to rural Herefordshire.
They understand engines like yours over there....
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Mine is fast before 4500, up until 4500, and right the way past it aswell.
No turbo under the bonnet, just MASSIVE 8V POWER GRRRRR
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8V all the way... 16v/8v discussion predicted... let the fun begin... :laugh: :grin:
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There was no text missing,
I was just stating that it is totally awesome power after 4500rpm,
I raced my mate in his 8valve the other day and he was just about with me up until i went past the 4500rpm mark, And then i just left him for dead,
These 16valvers are just way faster than the 8valvers,,
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He was probably just producing so much torque the wheels could no longer grip the road. Common 8v problem.
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Maxp completely with you there... I have that problem often! :wink:
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16v torque is higher than the 8v all the way through the rev range :wink: but this is cancelled out by the significant extra weight of the 16v :sad: That's why the 8v seems perkier low down.............(he stands back and waits for the usual banter on this topic)
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16v torque is higher than the 8v all the way through the rev range :wink: but this is cancelled out by the significant extra weight of the 16v :sad: That's why the 8v seems perkier low down.............(he stands back and waits for the usual banter on this topic)
Its about 150kg or something? VW and their heavy cams :tongue:
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Its not just the power thou, sounds good too! Who needs a radio when you can here a valver sing when its floored. :evil: LOVE IT
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This was posted on another thread on here but made me chuckle re 8v vs 16v = scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-_l2r4pvE
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Its not just the power thou, sounds good too! Who needs a radio when you can here a valver sing when its floored. :evil: LOVE IT
This is so true, When i am destroying the local 8v drivers i myself often turn the stereo off and just listen 2 the pure power coming from my 16valves,
2 be the best you gotta drive the best,,,,, 16v
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Miss my 16v so much but i like 8v aswell,would just be nice if i owned a co meter and a timing light to set the damn thing up properly. Cant bring myself to take it to a garage and say "can you set it up as it says in the haynes manual/rubjonnys guide please"
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2 be the best you gotta drive the best,,,,, G60
fixed for you.
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There was no text missing,
I was just stating that it is totally awesome power after 4500rpm,
I raced my mate in his 8valve the other day and he was just about with me up until i went past the 4500rpm mark, And then i just left him for dead,
These 16valvers are just way faster than the 8valvers,,
YESSS Your right, I thought this was true until the unspeakable comment my mate left after driving my 16V: "It's quick but your Red 8v was quicker."
Sh1t....
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Your mate has his head screwed on! 8V POWER!
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This is such a stupid post. If your 16V is flat all the way up until 4500rpm then its not setup right.
BOAST FAIL
Get it setup properly you retard before saying how amazing your 16v is!
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This is such a stupid post. If your 16V is flat all the way up until 4500rpm then its not setup right.
BOAST FAIL
Get it setup properly you retard before saying how amazing your 16v is!
Here here! :wink:
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This is such a stupid post. If your 16V is flat all the way up until 4500rpm then its not setup right.
BOAST FAIL
Get it setup properly you retard before saying how amazing your 16v is!
If its that stupid why did you waste your ever so much precious time and comment, you should of kept your stupid nose out,
BOAST THICKO
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Was that not a joke?
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The whole thread was based as a bit of fun, :grin:And i think most people realised this, :rolleyes:
But when someone pops up and uses the word RETARD and says the thread is useless then obviously he didnt see the funny side of it did he,
Somepeople are just 2 serious on here,
I wasnt asking for advice or giving any advice i was just proposing that my car was AWESOME after 4500rpm, And i stick by that lol
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The whole thread was based as a bit of fun, :grin:And i think most people realised this, :rolleyes:
But when someone pops up and uses the word RETARD and says the thread is useless then obviously he didnt see the funny side of it did he,
Somepeople are just 2 serious on here,
I wasnt asking for advice or giving any advice i was just proposing that my car was AWESOME after 4500rpm, And i stick by that lol
+1 chill! :grin:
Another Q: Is there much difference performance wise between 8v digi and 8v K-jet? Any 1 got a bhp torque chart? etc
bet i will be sent to zee cooler! for not using the search function :rolleyes:
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Mines an 8v digifant PB engine code. Had it on a rolling road last year. It's completely standard except the pipercross panel filter and it's running 115.9 bhp with 132 ft/lbs torque got the print out somewhere... Hope that hlelps... Anyone done the same with a k-jet?
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Standard 8v k-jet running "dangerously lean" put out 93.6 bhp and 98.2 foot-pounds at the wheels.
From my experience the digifant engine feels torquier than the k-jet, but the k-jet definitely feels quicker.....
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Miss my 16v so much but i like 8v aswell,would just be nice if i owned a co meter and a timing light to set the damn thing up properly. Cant bring myself to take it to a garage and say "can you set it up as it says in the haynes manual/rubjonnys guide please"
Ask Mr Hell for some assistance, he'll give you some abuse for not slinging an ABF in it, but if you can work around the abuse I'm sure he'll be of some use :grin:
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98bhp?? Is that all? Quite a bit lower than I would have expected... Had a look for my rolling road print out but can't find it... Think I may have the torque wrong but bhp is definately right... Am I right in saying digifant is electronic ignition and injection whereas k-jet is mechanical?
Anyone know any cheap and easy ways to improve an 8v digis performance? Ie make it faster?
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No, 93.6 :wink:
That was at the wheels, well hubs to be precise, not at the fly. It was done on this:
http://tdi-plc.com/index.php?pge=C_dynocam
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Oh, even if it was a little low on power it still resulted in this quote:
I was taken out in a really early A or B reg 8v after I tuned it, and it felt quicker than my 1990 2.0 8v GTI!
And there's someone on here that will verify it's quicker than a 1.8t mk4, even when 2-up :lipsrsealed:
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Mine was on a traditional rolling road. Wouldn't have thought there was just over 20bhp between kjet and digi...
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I'm assuming the 115bhp from yours is at the flywheel though, NOT the wheels?
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No wheels...
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Are you 100% sure about that? :huh:
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0% transmission losses FTW.
K-jet's all about throttle response. That's why it feels quicker than the Digifant, which needs to process the incoming data before it acts on it.
Go to later injection systems that can process inputs faster and that 'advantage' goes away.
Early cars feel fast due to less sound proofing and tat attached to them. Weight loss in a car is the easiest way of improving performance: FACT.
Against the K-jet is a lack of closed feedback loops and protection, such as electronic rev limiters, knock control etc. Both motors have stupid flappy airflow meters. The K-jet one is just bigger and dumber.
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Are you 100% sure about that? :huh:
that's about right had mine tested in January with a new pipercross panel, s/s zorst, 4-2-1 manifold it put out 117.9 at the wheels the engines been rebuilt so not run in yet ;)
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Early cars feel fast due to less sound proofing and tat attached to them.
I am still to see this difference in sound proofing between my 84, a mate's 85, my 88 and my dad's 89 gti. As it happens, the digifants that i'm comparing the k-jets to were all of the same spec too: poverty.
Not arguing with any of your other points though :grin:
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8v against 16v?
My 8v did my 8,000 miles, missed a few beats but never broke down or went wrong. Even with the cylinder head corroding away in the water system and the whole cylinder head in need of a re-build, it was perfect.
My lovely new 16v... http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=148215.0
8v against 16v? f**k man, 8v all the way.
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We all like to a-holes every now and then :afro: Don't take it to heart.. Gimme a hug ?
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Are you 100% sure about that? :huh:
that's about right had mine tested in January with a new pipercross panel, s/s zorst, 4-2-1 manifold it put out 117.9 at the wheels the engines been rebuilt so not run in yet ;)
where did you have it RR'd?
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This is such a stupid post. If your 16V is flat all the way up until 4500rpm then its not setup right.
BOAST FAIL
Get it setup properly you retard before saying how amazing your 16v is!
someones tired :grin:
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Are you 100% sure about that? :huh:
that's about right had mine tested in January with a new pipercross panel, s/s zorst, 4-2-1 manifold it put out 117.9 at the wheels the engines been rebuilt so not run in yet ;)
where did you have it RR'd?
John Wilcox Competition Engines.
Hinckley in Leicestershire ;)
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so applying 20% losses your 8v makes 140bhp at the fly with a panel filter and exhaust, and its not even run in yet? :huh:
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so applying 20% losses your 8v makes 140bhp at the fly with a panel filter and exhaust, and its not even run in yet? :huh:
as I said it's been rebuilt, had it all done by wilcox using all the best goodies ;) cost approx a small tropical island :grin:
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but do you actually believe thats what power it has? panel filters make f all difference, exhausts make little difference unless the head has been worked and a standard rebuild will bring it back to std power. You are quoting 16v power!
i'm pretty convinced you have got wheel and flywheel power mixed up
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My 1.9, flowed head and tasty cam should be about 140 at the fly so I can't see a standard rebuilt lump having the same.
Still I bet it feels nice after a fresh rebuild and I bet you can't wait to get it run in and really give it some welly.
nick
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I don't believe I ever said it was rebuilt as standard? I shall find the full list it's been ported and polished head/ inlet manifold, Kent cam lightened and balanced etc etc
And yes Nick it's nice smooth as silk it's a toy have a mk6 gti for work
cos it's sensible lol
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I don't believe I ever said it was rebuilt as standard? I shall find the full list it's been ported and polished head/ inlet manifold, Kent cam lightened and balanced etc etc
And yes Nick it's nice smooth as silk it's a toy have a mk6 gti for work
cos it's sensible lol
Aha! In that case it sounds awesomez and that figure sounds about right. Nice one!
Nick
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thats a bit different than a filter and exhaust then isnt it :grin:
why mention your power when the discussion is about a standard 8v kjet vs digi 8v? can you see where the confusion has come from?
you 8v owners, i don't know :rolleyes: :tongue:
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you 8v owners, i don't know :rolleyes: :tongue:
Screw you! :grin:
nick
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you 8v owners, i don't know :rolleyes: :tongue:
Screw you! :grin:
nick
:grin: your track day weapon looks sweeeeeet, I dunno Nick the 16v boys get all serious about their numbers.... Quality not quantity I think someone once said :rolleyes:
sorry about causing the confusion I had a few glasses of vino and thought we were talking about tuning an 8 or 16v my mistake.... :laugh:
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8v is better than 16v... why?
Just because! :laugh:
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8v is the best?
Everyones entitled their own opinion, even if it is wrong... :grin:
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my mk2 has a 2litre bottom end, a fancy cam, and has had the head skimed and polished
and it makes 225bhp honest iv rolled it down my road a few times.
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0% transmission losses FTW.
...That's why it feels quicker than the Digifant, which needs to process the incoming data before it acts on it.
Im not too sure about this, have you got any info to back this up?
I think the processing time would be somewhere in the thousandths of seconds i.e. negligible.
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i put a mk3 2.0 8v into my mk2, completely standard except an induction kit (airbox didnt fit on wing and was rubbing alternator belt), although am still on the 1.8 driver gearbox.
we did a club convoy from portsmouth to guildford for no rice last wed eve...
1st (although its a useless gear) 2nd and 3rd gear i pushed my mates abf ibiza out the way,couldnt catch me til halfway through 4th. have never put it on a rolling road, and dont particularly care if it aint set up right, if it can keep an abf at bay up to 4th, im a happy man!
so, 16v can kiss my 8v arse!!
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Having own quite afew 8vers I love them they drive very responsively in traffic and around town!
Now if you got roads that are long and you can get past the 4K mark in revs then the 16ver comes into its own without a doubt.
I love 8vers and never put one down, but for faster crusing i.e using fith gear more the 16ver all the way.
The only thing I wish the 16vers had a standard were G60 brakes because for some reason the loons that I take rides with in 16vers brake really late and sometimes feel like brown trouser moments.
The question is the real difference it makes on a 16ver is sticking coillies on to them so they bloody don't rock n roll too much plus gives more grip aswell, proberly due to the extra weight it really kills the ride for me in 16vers IMO. :rolleyes:
Jay
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nooooooooooooo not another 8v v 16v debate :cry:
i think tisme should try his car on our dyno for verification seeing as we're only 5 mins from john wilcox :grin:
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Hello Topher! not sure how to show this but it explains it all! LOL
Taken from Matt's Dubforce forum!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-_l2r4pvE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-_l2r4pvE&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-_l2r4pvE&feature=player_embedded
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That f*cking video is being reposted to c*nting death.
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That f*cking video is being reposted to c*nting death.
Hello DH hows you?
Like these threads non? :kiss:
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Hello DH hows you?
Like these threads non? :kiss:
I'm good, although worried the men in white coats are coming to turbocharge my Golf, which would obsolete the 8V vs 16V discussion.
My engine bay in 6 months?
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/Picture037.jpg)
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Thats looking good :cool: remind me what was your plan? I've been away too long! :tongue:
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8v...16v...
pfft... it's all irrelevant when it's all really about...
the derv :cool:
The mountains of low end torque sends the world spinning in the opposite direction and back in time, oh yeah you better believe it :cool:
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Thats looking good :cool: remind me what was your plan? I've been away too long! :tongue:
HA!
That's not my car. That's one of the crossflow example pics I pulled up when doing initial crossflow research.
I'm in the middle of converting the 8V crossflow goodness to Megasquirt, hoping to liberate some more 8V donkeys.
I need to put a cage in, along with the buckets and harnesses I have festering on the shelf, but I have goons who keep whispering 'turbo it' in my ear.
One of them even called up this evening, feverishly muttering about ball bearing turbos and manifolds to suit having been found 'just lying around'.
Trouble : brewing
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12v powaz:
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs174.snc3/20144_307528606363_505771363_3983196_3856269_n.jpg)
:afro:
not the most efficient engine bhp per litre though, but Christine sure does sounds nice.
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Thats looking good :cool: remind me what was your plan? I've been away too long! :tongue:
HA!
That's not my car. That's one of the crossflow example pics I pulled up when doing initial crossflow research.
I'm in the middle of converting the 8V crossflow goodness to Megasquirt, hoping to liberate some more 8V donkeys.
I need to put a cage in, along with the buckets and harnesses I have festering on the shelf, but I have goons who keep whispering 'turbo it' in my ear.
One of them even called up this evening, feverishly muttering about ball bearing turbos and manifolds to suit having been found 'just lying around'.
Trouble : brewing
Right catching up now! Well if thats what I think it is the weight of that block should be light as Fook!
As for turbo options you might need to spend some time looking at some Garrett's the ceramic bearings types do fair much better than the Ko4 options. I've gone through two Ko4's and one K03 in my time and not impressed, but I did drive them hard back in the day.
My daily Caliber has a Garrett and its so much more smooth power delivery on the 160PD block compared to simular Sharan and Golf's with Ko4's and diesels aren't the best power curves, just great torque steer LOL!
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lol these threads make me chuckle!
112Fly HP (80odd at the wheels) and 138 Fly HP (100 odd at the wheels) Well quick init bruv - Well Lax Flower mag speak!
my 8v is fun but not quick, the 16v that my mate has is a bit more sprited but again not quick cars but just fantastic fun!
Jump in a motor that can hit 60 in around 5 secs then jump in a 8v or 16v Golf you will then feel how slow they are and really these age old threads are pointless!
Rather than waste cash modding a car to go faster, just buy a faster car in the first place - I wasted thousands over the years, if I had of just been wise I could have a Audi R8 on my drive insted!
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16v would spank an r8 tbh
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16v would spank an r8 tbh
:grin: Mine too :grin:
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no replacement for displacement, 2.8 ftw :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
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wtf are you saying? 6foot6 talked sense there tbh, drive a fast car, then drive a mk2, 8v or 16v, then you'll realise :grin:
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I think you'd waste many, many more thousands on 'fast' cars vs a cheeky Golf2 8 or 16v and not have as much fun, which is what the Golf2 is about.
Not willy-waving.
Plus I'd rather be driving at 80% of the car's capability for 80% of the time, rather than at 20% for 80% of the time. That's not nearly enough fun.
Plus I've met tosspots with 5 second 0-60 cars on track. They're a pain in the ass as you spend your life being held up in corners only to have them open the gap up on the straights when they can wave their power about without needing much skill.
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I think you'd waste many, many more thousands on 'fast' cars vs a cheeky Golf2 8 or 16v and not have as much fun, which is what the Golf2 is about.
Not willy-waving.
Plus I'd rather be driving at 80% of the car's capability for 80% of the time, rather than at 20% for 80% of the time. That's not nearly enough fun.
Plus I've met tosspots with 5 second 0-60 cars on track. They're a pain in the ass as you spend your life being held up in corners only to have them open the gap up on the straights when they can wave their power about without needing much skill.
+1 as i keep saying the Golf is a great fun motor and you can keep it on the boil a much higher % of the time and be far more involved in the drive.
the Golf takes alot more "driving" to keep up than my point and squirt Turboed motor.
What I was trying to get at is these threads when you are talking a difference of 26 hp between the 8v and 16v cars are a waste, its a negligable difference IMO
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thats looks like the power graph of the 8v after 6K rpm when it tails off, cheers for your input :tongue:
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Turbo's FTMFW, DH you listening? :evil:
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I think you'd waste many, many more thousands on 'fast' cars vs a cheeky Golf2 8 or 16v and not have as much fun, which is what the Golf2 is about.
Not willy-waving.
Plus I'd rather be driving at 80% of the car's capability for 80% of the time, rather than at 20% for 80% of the time. That's not nearly enough fun.
Plus I've met tosspots with 5 second 0-60 cars on track. They're a pain in the ass as you spend your life being held up in corners only to have them open the gap up on the straights when they can wave their power about without needing much skill.
+1 as i keep saying the Golf is a great fun motor and you can keep it on the boil a much higher % of the time and be far more involved in the drive.
the Golf takes alot more "driving" to keep up than my point and squirt Turboed motor.
What I was trying to get at is these threads when you are talking a difference of 26 hp between the 8v and 16v cars are a waste, its a negligable difference IMO
the thing is when a car weighs a ton, 26hp goes a long way!
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Brum brum brum.
Nick
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I think its funny how some people get all vexxed and protective over a "debate"? Its only a bloody car lol
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suck my valves b!tch! :laugh:
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i allways thought 24% more power was noticable
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suck my valves b!tch! :laugh:
:grin:
Remember kids, its not the size of the boat that counts, its the motion of the ocean that matters :wink:
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Bloody hell lads, I only been 2 amsterdam 4 the weekend an the topic i started has become a gti forum mega meet,
An i still say the 16v is awesome after 4500rpm :grin: :grin:
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8v FTW!!
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Golf2 FTW.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJr9UFuzuyw
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