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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: JamesCGTI on 12 February 2010, 15:55
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Had my GTI a few months and am now looking to get a remap.
Realise most go the Revo, AMD etc route but has anyone used R-tech. Keen price with it seems a good reputation although they do seem to look after the older golfs more.
Thanks in advance
James
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Speak to AlanD or dan_apps :afro:
both had their MK5's mapped by R-Tech
I've been out in both and can confirm they go fcuking quick :evil: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Don't delay - book today :wink:
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work in progress, albeit in a car park in Swindon :grin:
(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF2563.jpg)
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ahhh the memories. The pictured that spawned a thousand threads :grin:
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
think its what caused him to sell it :lipsrsealed:
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As Rhyso said I have also had mine done by R-Tech and as he also said it now goes like stink ! :D :D
Couldn't recommend them more, great service and top guys. Most MKV users seem to think they have to spend loads going to Revo or getting Bluefin but I just cant see the point. R-Tech did the same job at a fraction of the cost and offer a brilliant if not better service. Go for it.
RR Graph (note these figures are at the wheels. At the engine power was 242bhp & 265 lb/ft
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/AlenDell.jpg)
As you can see it has a VERY smooth power curve :evil:
Getting it done:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/DSC00003.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/DSC00001-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/DSC00002-2.jpg)
Their old RR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/twior/IMG_0824.jpg)
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cheeeky fookers! :grin:
great gains as shown on Alan's graph MUCH better value for money than other maps! :afro:
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cheeeky fookers! :grin:
great gains as shown on Alan's graph MUCH better value for money than other maps! :afro:
In your oppinion of course. :wink:
Or buy a 2nd hand Bluefin handset from another forum user. (Spent £185) , even less the R-Tech and have even more smiles :wink:
But thats my own luck..
anyway...
Each map from these companys has its own Benefits, Do your research fella. Revo has benefits over Bluefin, Bluefin has its merits over Revo, Apr and others.
Ive gone with Bluefin as it keeps your stock map loaded to the Handset, and doesnt add to the cars ecu Flash counter, whereas others do add to the counter, which isnt good for making a claim under warranty.
Unsure if R-tech does the same as Bluefin tbh.
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Hi brand new here im also thinking of a re-map,am i right saying r tek no rolling road but if i go AMD in thurrock they do an before and after RR
or can i get a RR with R tek for after results at a local RR?Or is there no need?
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cheeeky fookers! :grin:
great gains as shown on Alan's graph MUCH better value for money than other maps! :afro:
In your oppinion of course. :wink:
Or buy a 2nd hand Bluefin handset from another forum user. (Spent £185) , even less the R-Tech and have even more smiles :wink:
But thats my own luck..
anyway...
Each map from these companys has its own Benefits, Do your research fella. Revo has benefits over Bluefin, Bluefin has its merits over Revo, Apr and others.
Ive gone with Bluefin as it keeps your stock map loaded to the Handset, and doesnt add to the cars ecu Flash counter, whereas others do add to the counter, which isnt good for making a claim under warranty.
Unsure if R-tech does the same as Bluefin tbh.
Was it £185 all in Phil or did you have to pay Bluefin for the actual map again?
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i recommend you do a lot of reading and take your time decideing which route you want to take, phil and my self both were planning to keep our cars standard but now its a different story, hes about to go stage 2 and im about to go stage2+ both with different tuners but there are merits to each. personally i would recommend Revo with a select plus switch. Do a bit of research before committing :wink:
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In your oppinion of course. :wink:
Or buy a 2nd hand Bluefin handset from another forum user. (Spent £185) , even less the R-Tech and have even more smiles :wink:
But thats my own luck..
not just my opinion Phil, and as you said you were lucky enough to get one second hand! + cant see why theres even more smiles as to my knowledge there havent been any issues with R-Techs maps whilst i remember a time where every other thread was a slating at Bluefin and theyre claims of gains etc! :wink:
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Hi brand new here im also thinking of a re-map,am i right saying r tek no rolling road but if i go AMD in thurrock they do an before and after RR
or can i get a RR with R tek for after results at a local RR?Or is there no need?
Ummm not to sure what you mean as that didnt make much sense. R-Tech DO have a RR if thats what your asking? I said thats their old as they now new have a new one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7p12yuB4Y)
Phil also makes a point that Bluefin allows you to keep your stock map. I personally had no need to keep the stock map and am not bothered about flash count as my car is no longer in warranty (imo I wouldn't get a remap if you still have a warranty)
I've not dealt with Bluefin or Revo or anyone else in terms of a remap so can only comment on the good service I have got from R-Tech.
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cheeeky fookers! :grin:
great gains as shown on Alan's graph MUCH better value for money than other maps! :afro:
In your oppinion of course. :wink:
Or buy a 2nd hand Bluefin handset from another forum user. (Spent £185) , even less the R-Tech and have even more smiles :wink:
But thats my own luck..
anyway...
Each map from these companys has its own Benefits, Do your research fella. Revo has benefits over Bluefin, Bluefin has its merits over Revo, Apr and others.
Ive gone with Bluefin as it keeps your stock map loaded to the Handset, and doesnt add to the cars ecu Flash counter, whereas others do add to the counter, which isnt good for making a claim under warranty.
Unsure if R-tech does the same as Bluefin tbh.
Was it £185 all in Phil or did you have to pay Bluefin for the actual map again?
All in :smiley:
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In your oppinion of course. :wink:
Or buy a 2nd hand Bluefin handset from another forum user. (Spent £185) , even less the R-Tech and have even more smiles :wink:
But thats my own luck..
not just my opinion Phil, and as you said you were lucky enough to get one second hand! + cant see why theres even more smiles as to my knowledge there havent been any issues with R-Techs maps whilst i remember a time where every other thread was a slating at Bluefin and theyre claims of gains etc! :wink:
The only issues have Been where Superchips have issued the wrong Map Ie Dsg or manual version, but when you eventually get the correct one. Its superb imo.
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How many maps have you run on phil mcavity? Would be interesting to see a comparision?
Personally I will be going to R-tech when mines get's mapped. Used them for my mk4, and was pleased with the results and service.
R-tech are like the 'bread and butter' remappers, no fancy packaging or handsets, no £500 price tag either, just a good honest service at a very reasonable price, but still with a good amount of customer care to back it up. :smug:
Sam
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If your unsure who to use, there are many trial remap options out there from tuners, I would say try them all then come to us and try our remap for free and make your own minds up, If you like our way of mapping then pay then keep the map, if not you can go to the map you have found to be better.
Nick
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So Nick..... are they eccusing you of copying their maps in which case performance would be near identical to whoevers map youve altered?
Trial maps are not the full map, only around 70% of output, and not the full fat version.
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a lot of people offer a good map so thats cool if you want a quick fix. its a valuable option to be able to turn the map off or switch settings. i feel that if RTech could offer this then i may have gone that way but they dont.
and yes phil the revo trial is meant to be a "week" version of the full thing but i cant comment as i didnt try the trial just spoke to a few people some of whom you know, and read about it. no point spending 200 quid then thinking i wish i spent a bit more and got what i wanted :smiley:
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I suppose you could compare it to designer clothes 'snobbery' Most of us are guilty of it somewhere down the line, we like to think if we spent a bit more money we will be safe with a tried and tested known product. The bottom line is there are other people/companies who can do some things better than others.
I'm not saying 'R-tech are better than revo' etc etc as I haven't exerianced enough of either company to be able to comment. What I think I can comment on is value for money though, and the numbers of satisifed customers prove that R-tech can offer a very similar product, with similar results for half the price.
ETTO and all that what not but I would be happy dropping my car off at R-tech (after a quick cuppa tea) and picking it up in a few hours time knowing it's not been poorly man handled by a bunch of chimps, and with a satisfying improvement in performance to return home with.
Now after all of this, wheres my 50% off voucher you promised me Nick :grin: !
Sam
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its a valuable option to be able to turn the map off or switch
Im sorry but I cant see why you would want to turn it off? Only reason I can think off is if your Mrs wants to drive it but if my 62 year old dad can drive my car without sh!tting himself I cant see it being a problem.
You can still drive a car just as easy with a remap . . .
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this is true, my misses does occasionally drive my car and i just lower the boost. when i take the car to VW i put it back to stock so they dont rag the hell out of it. and when going away and leaving the car on the street i use the immobiliser although i realise these things do not interest everyone. if i was certain to stay at one stage of tune and wasnt bothered about being able to adjust the map then i would get an aftermarket immobiliser and something like a RTech map. we all want different things so this is why i think you need to research it properly so your confident you get exactly what you want for you monies, unless ofcourse you can afford to swap maps often like hurdy has. i think he has had 3 on his eddy and finally settled on the revo. :smiley:
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We do offer a tool the same as the Bluefin, with ori file, tuned file and kill file for an extra £180. But I would rather sell a remap on its own as its ther best deal for all.
Nick
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We do offer a tool the same as the Bluefin, with ori file, tuned file and kill file for an extra £180. But I would rather sell a remap on its own as its ther best deal for all.
Nick
So in principle its only cheaper because it doesnt have an anti theft or origonal vw map left on it?
Can see why your half price now.
Personally id rather have the ability to imobilise the car or put back to stock for garage/dealer visits etc.
You dont get something for nothing. Hense why its cheaper. :smiley:
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We do offer a tool the same as the Bluefin, with ori file, tuned file and kill file for an extra £180. But I would rather sell a remap on its own as its ther best deal for all.
Nick
So in principle its only cheaper because it doesnt have an anti theft or origonal vw map left on it?
Can see why your have price now.
Personally id rather have the ability to imobilise the car or put back to stock for garage/dealer visits etc.
You dont get something for nothing. Hense why its cheaper. :smiley:
The device Nick sells comes loaded with your original map AND the tuned map and if you so wanted a further few maps thus giving you the ability to re-load your original VW map and not a tuner's version of the standard map. It also double as a diagnostic code reader
I know from experience that the R-Tech map in the MK5 is just as quick and smooth as the equivalent REVO / Bluefin mapped cars and against a few of them is the quicker through the mid-range
End of the day its up to the OP to make his choice - we could argue whose map is better all day long but just because its cheap doesn't mean its no good :smiley:
Do your research and if possible try and get a go in some mapped MK5's and make your mind up from there :smiley:
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Phil, a standard Revo remap will set to you back £499 and not give you the ability to swap between maps. You need to add another £149 to the £499 for the select switch.
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as i`m in grumpy mode, READ THE THREAD TITLE!
if you haven`t, don`t comment, SIMPLES.
i haven`t had a map done on my mk5 yet :wink:, but have had my car on their rolling road and the service was excellent and they will do my re-map when i get round to having it done this year.
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so any one else out there used r-tech for their mk5? :wink:
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so any one else out there used r-tech for their mk5? :wink:
Leigh Bennet had is ed30 done a few months back.. :wink: I am sure he will let you demo his car. Not much peak power but a HUGE strong torque band that offers power across the whole band when you want it. No nasty sharp spikes like some maps, Just linear mapping that aint going to catch you out in 3rd gear on a bend.
Nick
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So why is this forum now removing my posts??
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no posts have been removed :huh:
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I posted about customer service and its missing?
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eh? customer service about what?
i think the r-tech map sounds like good value for money. i wasnt aware they also offer switches. for me it wasnt the right choice at teh time because you look at R&D etc. Nick is only just now tapping into the market so may be a contender in the future. im no revo fan boy and did a fair bit of research as you know steve but felt at the time they offered me what i wanted as i said earlier.
at the minute i feel that revo are the biggest and most reliable tuner of the TFSI but who knows RTech could be up there in the future so i wouldnt rule them out.
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To further all our knowledge about this subject, how much does it cost and do they do mobile install throughout the uk?
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Should they venture accross the border, I might be interested in testing their wares ...
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Going by this
http://www.r-techpower.co.uk/r-tech-producs.php
Its £285 and I then think there is a £40 mobile mapping fee on top
Best thing to do is to phone them and speak to Nick / Ben / Chris :smiley:
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So Nick..... are they eccusing you of copying their maps in which case performance would be near identical to whoevers map youve altered?
Trial maps are not the full map, only around 70% of output, and not the full fat version.
Nothing about maps, just reputation. Can you remember the back to back rolling road test with a well know tuner last year, We was going to test our 1.8T map against another tuners map on the dyno. At the last minute I get contacted by the other saying it cannot go ahead. they spen £XXX of money each year to keep there name at the top of the game and cannot afford for a shoot out to tranish the reputation. I got told they had good lawers which can put a stop to it. Plus they would do the same to one of your customers car, run it up with our map on the car then remap it to the MAX then publish the results. Big fish little fish.
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You cannot beat R-Techs customer service. Top guys and you know if you get any problems they'll sort you out :)
Alan, I spot me and my car in your first post! Good times!
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Its down to personal taste IMO.
If its torque spikes your wanting with your maps then we are NOT the company for you. I can see why your car feels quick now. 50lbft of torque spike will give a really nice kick up the backside and make you grin.
(http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTI%20RR%20Day%2003%2010%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/SNS.gif)
or
(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/r-tech-rr-graphs/ed30_apr_stg1_13thJan09.jpg)
or
(http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTI%20RR%20Day%2003%2010%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/JYF.gif)
3 tuners with all simlar mapping methods that sell well and are good maps, BUT NOT to everyones taste. and thats where we fit in and fill the gap in the market.
I come from a motorsport back ground and the way I have trained to tune cars is to offer the power smooth, strong and safe. Usability makes a good remap.
Here is one we mapped on the dyno last year, not massive bags of torque at the top end of the scale, just a long broad torque band which make the car just pull and pull right up to the red line. If it is smooth linear mapping you want then come to us, because we will get it right every time.
(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/r-tech-rr-graphs/ed30-1.jpg)
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this was my stage 1 dyno, not really a spike....
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8898/600dpicolour001p1309005.jpg)
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Thats how a graph should look. :wink:
Nick
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Its down to personal taste IMO.
If its torque spikes your wanting with your maps then we are NOT the company for you. I can see why your car feels quick now. 50lbft of torque spike will give a really nice kick up the backside and make you grin.
(http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTI%20RR%20Day%2003%2010%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/SNS.gif)
That map looks familiar lol
Im having a downpipe and cat fitted tommorow by jkm and my car will be back on the rollers for a comparrison on saturday with briskoda.co.uk RR day.
Thanks for your reply, will come up to your next RR day. Cheers for the invite :smiley:
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The downpipe and sports cat will transform your car yet again, in theory you can hold the peak load for around another 750rpm+ without the worry of too much heat build up.
Nick
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...so better mid range or spike dropping later rather then at 3700 as previous graph nick?
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If you like the feel of the torque you have now you can afford to to hold it longer upto 3700+rpm.
I like smooth board torque bands, IMO you would also get a good result by loosing 30lbft of the peak and aiming for another 20lbft over at least another 2000rpm of the rpm range. The car would be much quicker.
Do you have any logs of you load request during a WOT run?
Nick
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It is all about the area under the curve, not peak figures (says me!! :laugh:)
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It is all about the area under the curve, not peak figures (says me!! :laugh:)
Spot on!!
Nick
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Thats how a graph should look. :wink:
Nick
sorry i should resize my graph been a bit busy. i take it you are saying ive got a nice set of curves nick :kiss:
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Nice and linear m8.. :wink:
Nick
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If you like the feel of the torque you have now you can afford to to hold it longer upto 3700+rpm.
I like smooth board torque bands, IMO you would also get a good result by loosing 30lbft of the peak and aiming for another 20lbft over at least another 2000rpm of the rpm range. The car would be much quicker.
Do you have any logs of you load request during a WOT run?
Nick
No i dont nick, unfortunatly when i had some logs done, i soon discovered Superchips had actually sent me the wrong map, manual instead of dsg version.My Logger person is away currently at sea for a few months so havent had chance to re-run it with the correct map.
Oh and just to update you nick, Superchips have ammended my map, so i havent got such a high torque curve as it was back then.
Saturday hopefully should reveal a better result with the addition of my downpipe.
This is another graph taking from my car just 1 week proir to the one you kindly showed .
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/SCN%2019%2009%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/SNS.gif
Torque spike not as servere as the 1st example
.........and a friends stage 2 bluefin which is £50 away from me!!
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/SCN%2019%2009%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/BBU.gif
Sorry if this has gone off tangent from R-techs thread.
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The downpipe and sports cat will transform your car yet again, in theory you can hold the peak load for around another 750rpm+ without the worry of too much heat build up.
Nick
Does this mean when I come up for the summer forum fest you can play with my map in exchange for some man love Nick? Since you mapped her shes had a 3' downpipe and Milly.
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If you like the feel of the torque you have now you can afford to to hold it longer upto 3700+rpm.
I like smooth board torque bands, IMO you would also get a good result by loosing 30lbft of the peak and aiming for another 20lbft over at least another 2000rpm of the rpm range. The car would be much quicker.
Do you have any logs of you load request during a WOT run?
Nick
No i dont nick, unfortunatly when i had some logs done, i soon discovered Superchips had actually sent me the wrong map, manual instead of dsg version.My Logger person is away currently at sea for a few months so havent had chance to re-run it with the correct map.
Oh and just to update you nick, Superchips have ammended my map, so i havent got such a high torque curve as it was back then.
Saturday hopefully should reveal a better result with the addition of my downpipe.
This is another graph taking from my car just 1 week proir to the one you kindly showed .
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/SCN%2019%2009%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/SNS.gif
Torque spike not as servere as the 1st example
.........and a friends stage 2 bluefin which is £50 away from me!!
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/SCN%2019%2009%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/BBU.gif
Sorry if this has gone off tangent from R-techs thread.
Thats a good thing about self tuning tools and a good tuner, you have have map tweaks via email without the need of going back to a tuner.
Nick
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The downpipe and sports cat will transform your car yet again, in theory you can hold the peak load for around another 750rpm+ without the worry of too much heat build up.
Nick
Does this mean when I come up for the summer forum fest you can play with my map in exchange for some man love Nick? Since you mapped her shes had a 3' downpipe and Milly.
You know where we are m8.. you welcome up any time, It would be nice spending a few hours on dyno with a TFSI doing custom spec2 tuning.