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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: maddix0193 on 17 January 2010, 19:33
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this is opinion post. sort of.
who's had a 16v, upgraded to a vr6 but for whatever reason went back to a 16v?
i had the 16v for 2 years, and now have a vr6 highline. is it wrong that i miss the 16v and am thinking of going back to one??
any thoughts?
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Hard to say, you will miss the torque of the VR if you switch back.
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Hard to say, you will miss the torque of the VR if you switch back.
and the sound... but vr6's arnt that much faster than a 16v. And 16v are the track weapon choice aswell
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Hard to say, you will miss the torque of the VR if you switch back.
and the sound... but vr6's arnt that much faster than a 16v. And 16v are the track weapon choice aswell
Vr is much quicker than a 16v
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this is opinion post. sort of.
who's had a 16v, upgraded to a vr6 but for whatever reason went back to a 16v?
i had the 16v for 2 years, and now have a vr6 highline. is it wrong that i miss the 16v and am thinking of going back to one??
any thoughts?
Sort of...
I convinced myself I wanred the low down torque, noise etc...and could live with the negative impact on the handling...so built a high spec 2.9 VR6...and just couldn't bring myself to fit it.
Every time I drove one I thought it was lazy, not as quick as I'd hoped, abysmal of fuel, and poor handling.
So I sold the engine/'box/loom etc to a mate, and bought some Jenveys for the 16v.
I've driven loads since...and I still don't want one.
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Perhaps you need to ask yourself which element is giving you a kick.. Or, which of the two is harder to live with..
Is it ownership.. or the drive..or the status on the road... which gives you the kick?
Do running costs have a bearing on things..?
Maybe if you can answer some of those you might know which you really prefer..
I can just about live with the fuel consumption rate of an 8valve GTI.. not financially but morally.. Even if i could afford a Ferrari or Porsche the rate the fuel guage fell to zero would make me ask too many questions..
Personally i like simplicity, and owning a Golf GTI or a VR for that matter is about more than just driving.. I like to be able to work on my vehicles, bodywork and engines..it's part of the enjoyment of keeping something well fettled i think...but probably a VR would be too complicated and expensive engine wise for me..
It's hard to say.. hopefully some food for thought there anyway ;)
Christo
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I'd have a vr anyday over a 16v.
But that's just my opinion.
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vr and 16v are very different car's....think vr6 as a lazy cruiser and 16v as the sports model, do you want the relaxing mile munching vr6 or the faster feeling 16v (although it's slower it will feel much more sportier as you drive it)
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vr and 16v are very different car's....think vr6 as a lazy cruiser and 16v as the sports model, do you want the relaxing mile munching vr6 or the faster feeling 16v (although it's slower it will feel much more sportier as you drive it)
That's a very interesting opinion.
I've never found that a 16v felt faster or sportier than a vr.
That's probably because it isn't.
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vr and 16v are very different car's....think vr6 as a lazy cruiser and 16v as the sports model, do you want the relaxing mile munching vr6 or the faster feeling 16v (although it's slower it will feel much more sportier as you drive it)
That's a very interesting opinion.
I've never found that a 16v felt faster or sportier than a vr.
That's probably because it isn't.
+1 never found the 16v sporty to drive to be honest.
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Don't get me wrong, the 16v is a very good car.
But it just doesn't feel like a vr :wink:
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Don't get me wrong, the 16v is a very good car.
But it just doesn't feel like a vr :wink:
Thankfully...
On a 16v, when you turn the stering wheel, you have a 75% chance of the nose following directly. About twice what the VR6 offers. :evil:
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Don't get me wrong, the 16v is a very good car.
But it just doesn't feel like a vr :wink:
Thankfully...
On a 16v, when you turn the stering wheel, you have a 75% chance of the nose following directly. About twice what the VR6 offers. :evil:
I think we have had this talk many times, VR's can be made to handle, ok not as well as a 8 or 16V I know.
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I agree with bb if you do motorway driving and don't mind spending time at motorway service stations. :laugh: get the vr, but if you prefer A roads then go for the 16v.
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Don't get me wrong, the 16v is a very good car.
But it just doesn't feel like a vr :wink:
Thankfully...
On a 16v, when you turn the stering wheel, you have a 75% chance of the nose following directly. About twice what the VR6 offers. :evil:
I decided against continually throwing my money at the mk3.
Instead i bought a V8 for 3 grand, which has 104bhp more than your 16v, and cost about half as much :tongue: :kiss:
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I decided against continually throwing my money at the mk3.
Instead i bought a V8 for 3 grand, which has 104bhp more than your 16v, and cost about half as much :tongue: :kiss:
Very good...
On a B road, we'll measure the time between me arriving and you arriving using a sundial.
Unless the V8 of which you speak is a RS4...which at 3 grand, I doubt! :grin:
On a serious note, throwing money at a Mk3 will only give you an empty bank account.
You can buy a faster, better handling car for way less than you'll spend trying to sort out the Mk3. Mine is a hobby...because it's cheaper than tuning Porsches or new VWs!
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
Is it the aluminium bodied one?
4.2 V8?
I like them...oddly cool really.
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Yep. Aluminium space frame.
Its the 4.2 ABZ lump.
Annoyingly, like with all cars, now i'm used it, i wonder if i should of bought an S8 instead :rolleyes: :grin:
You should like it, its basically 2 ABF's stuck together :grin:
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
What insurance group is it?
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
Comparing A8 to Golf Mk3 is like comparing dogs to oranges.
2 totally different cars in completely different categories. Just drop this useless comparison :wink:
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
What insurance group is it?
Group 20 :smiley:
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I thought it was obvious what car i had by my username :rolleyes: :tongue:
Granted the standard suspension on the A8 is crap, but sport models are surprising good.
The car handles alot better than most people think, you would have to try one to appreciate it.
That is the reason i bought the A8, its got all the luxuries, handles as good as alot of hot hatches, it also very hardly to lose grip having 4 wheel drive. Its also got a fantastic engine that kicks out 295lb ft of torque at 3200rpm, and 300bhp at about 5500rpm.
All for 3 grand, its hard to argue against it :smiley:
Comparing A8 to Golf Mk3 is like comparing dogs to oranges.
2 totally different cars in completely different categories. Just drop this useless comparison :wink:
I'm just teasing Glen.
I know he likes it :tongue:
I still love golfs, my friend still has the vr i sold him 4 years ago...
Unfortunately its starting to rot now, its a shame vw used crap quality steel when they were made.
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Yep. Aluminium space frame.
Its the 4.2 ABZ lump.
Annoyingly, like with all cars, now i'm used it, i wonder if i should of bought an S8 instead :rolleyes: :grin:
You should like it, its basically 2 ABF's stuck together :grin:
But pay more than twice the price for what?
An 'S' badge?
Recaros?
The 4.2 V8 is a bargain...
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I'm just teasing Glen.
I know he likes it :tongue:
I do. It's cool...big, but uber cool.
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Yep. Aluminium space frame.
Its the 4.2 ABZ lump.
Annoyingly, like with all cars, now i'm used it, i wonder if i should of bought an S8 instead :rolleyes: :grin:
You should like it, its basically 2 ABF's stuck together :grin:
But pay more than twice the price for what?
An 'S' badge?
Recaros?
The 4.2 V8 is a bargain...
I've got the sport model, its got recaros and the S8 steering wheel. Its also got the same suspension as the S8.
The S8 had 340bhp, 360bhp on the later models. That's what you have to pay for.
The spec is great, its got Sat nav(crap old version), heated seats, cruise, 6 stack Bose, climate control, rear electric blind, electric seats,seat belt height and steering wheel with memory.
It was 62 grand brand new in 1998.
It certainly is a bargain...
Have you driven lots of Audi's?
Going on the handling argument, my dad has an A4 quattro Sport 1.8T, the handling is amazing on B roads, easily as good as any golf, if not better...
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I'm just teasing Glen.
I know he likes it :tongue:
I do. It's cool...big, but uber cool.
I know you like it, that's why i do it.
And yes i am uber cool :tongue:
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I know you like it, that's why i do it.
Oooh, tease me!
And yes i am uber cool :tongue:
No you aren't. Your car may be, but you are not!
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Have you driven lots of Audi's?
Going on the handling argument, my dad has an A4 quattro Sport 1.8T, the handling is amazing on B roads, easily as good as any golf, if not better...
Yup, driven loads...used to be big into Audis when I had my S3 - still a mod over on Audi-sport.
What age A4?
One of the worst cars I've ever driven was a B4 model S4 - fast, but handled like a Supertanker!
My S3 couldn't match it on the straights, but murdered it on the twisties.
There is just something a bit numb about Audis...except RSs and Rs.
Been looking again at S3s...but just can't bring myself to order one. I just don't like them, or the image.
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The A4 is an 8E2.
I think some of the newer Audi's are a bit dull.
I'm into the older Audi's.
Between myself and family, we've had an 80 Quattro(really old), 90 20v Quattro, 100 2.8V6 Quattro, and the A4 and A8.
Great cars, and unlike golf's, never seem to need money spent on them...
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Oooh, tease me!
Stop flirting with me, i'm married :tongue: