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Title: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 12 January 2010, 19:50
Had a good day at R Tech over the weekend and we managed to raise £1100 for charity,
A big turn out with people from all over the country turned up & in the crap weather too, (well done to all)
Be rude not to put the car on the rollers as it was for charity  :wink:

Golf + magazine turned up and a big spread and loads of pics going in the mag

Not quite what Revo reckon but not far off,

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/scan0001.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: R32UK on 12 January 2010, 20:07
Not bad at all!!  :cool: :cool:

what figures did the others run neil??
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 12 January 2010, 20:13
Not bad at all!!  :cool: :cool:

what figures did the others run neil??

Only 1 mk6 there, 1 mk5 gti (hurdys) i think did 365bhp  :cool:
a few R32s running 240-250s and the rest mk3s and 4s
i think mine came 2nd or 3d on the day out of 20 cars on the rollers so not bad for just a cheeky remap,  :laugh:

all getting printed in Golf + mag so should be good reading
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: keelaw on 12 January 2010, 23:30

excuse the noobness, but which figures are bhp?  given you've had a remap I presume the ones in brackets?  i.e. 242-258 bhp?


Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Exonian on 13 January 2010, 05:05
Similar BHP to what mine ran at TSR back in November (260 bhp), also with REVO.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 05:45

excuse the noobness, but which figures are bhp?  given you've had a remap I presume the ones in brackets?  i.e. 242-258 bhp?




Yes thats the figures in brackets 258bhp  274max torque  the last run was low 242 due to heat soak or something ?
They said you will get slightly higher results when on the road due to the wind getting forced through the intercooler etc,
quite happy with that and the car seem to be a lot quicker on the way home after been on the rollers for some reason :undecided:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 05:50
Similar BHP to what mine ran at TSR back in November (260 bhp), also with REVO.

looks like 260 is about the norm then for a remap then,
i have only ever used V Power aswell when filling up dont know if that makes a difference or just all hype from the garages, :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Exonian on 13 January 2010, 06:05
Gossa's and Frog's both got over 270bhp IIRC and mine ran 260 using supermarket 97 RON. Dyno lottery as ever but at least it gives a rough guide as to what sort of figures the Revo stage 1 puts out. From memory I think most TFSI mk5 GTIs (KO3) seem to be around 240-250 bhp with stage 1 Revo so we're a little ahead in bragging rights so far!

How big was the cooling fan @ R-Tech? The one at TSR was quite small.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 06:11
Gossa's and Frog's both got over 270bhp IIRC and mine ran 260 using supermarket 97 RON. Dyno lottery as ever but at least it gives a rough guide as to what sort of figures the Revo stage 1 puts out. From memory I think most TFSI mk5 GTIs (KO3) seem to be around 240-250 bhp with stage 1 Revo so we're a little ahead in bragging rights so far!

How big was the cooling fan @ R-Tech? The one at TSR was quite small.
Yes R Techs fan was small aswell and it was the 1st one with DSG that they have had on the rollers,
Hurdy had to ride shotgun :grin:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: nickvw on 13 January 2010, 13:56
Hi Neil was good to meet you on sunday even though it was bloody freezing!! Did you manage to get to pick your winter wheels up?

Here's a few pics i snapped of your gti, it really does look well on them rims  :cool:

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/nickpd150/mixed001.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/nickpd150/mixed009.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/nickpd150/mixed011.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 14:51
Yeh it was good to meet you and it was cold Nick wasn't it, but a good day aswell,
Yeh picked the wheels up on the way home got them from Peterborough, just deciding what winter tyres to put on  :undecided: :undecided: Any ideas ?

Thanx for pics
note to self, get the car washed :grin:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: carl1 on 13 January 2010, 14:56
Very nice car,
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 14:57
Very nice car,

Thanx Carl  :wink:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: nickvw on 13 January 2010, 15:16
Not really much idea on winter tyres mate tbh, car doesnt look that bad considering the weather!!
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: mac7 on 13 January 2010, 15:32
just deciding what winter tyres to put on  :undecided: :undecided: Any ideas ?

Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme, or if you're really committed the Snowtrac.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 15:39
Not really much idea on winter tyres mate tbh, car doesnt look that bad considering the weather!!

Ha Ha i like it when she's dirty  :grin:

Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme, or if you're really committed the Snowtrac.

I was thinking about the Vredstein's, have you had experience with them ?
 
 
 
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 13 January 2010, 16:03
I was thinking about the Vredstein's, have you had experience with them ?

A lot of the MKV boys have nothing but high praise for Vredestein tyres. They're the next tyre on my hit-list to try when I need new tyres in a couple of months.

Not to be sniffed at around £81 (225/45/17) a corner on here:- http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php (http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php)

Or try this review resource:- http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Volkswagen/Golf-GTI.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Volkswagen/Golf-GTI.htm)

Ok, they are mainly MKV reviews, but surely the results can be that different for the MKVI?  :undecided:

HTH
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: mac7 on 13 January 2010, 16:11
Yes, I was driving on the Snowtracs last week in Germany and they are pretty impressive in the snow (Passat by the way). I'm told Wintracs are nearly as good and given the usual mild UK winters, I'm going to get them. If we had winters like this one every year, I'd get the Snowtracs.

Did you go for 16" or 17" wheels? The narrower 205/55R16 or 205/50R17 will be better if it does snow.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 16:52
Yes, I was driving on the Snowtracs last week in Germany and they are pretty impressive in the snow (Passat by the way). I'm told Wintracs are nearly as good and given the usual mild UK winters, I'm going to get them. If we had winters like this one every year, I'd get the Snowtracs.

Did you go for 16" or 17" wheels? The narrower 205/55R16 or 205/50R17 will be better if it does snow.


no i got 18" R32 Wheels, i know you really need smaller/narrower tyres for snow and ice but still has to look the part  :laugh:
So i will try the Vredsteins wintracs anything will be better than F1s in this weather even slics  :grin:
Thanks for the heads up Mac
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 16:58
I was thinking about the Vredstein's, have you had experience with them ?

A lot of the MKV boys have nothing but high praise for Vredestein tyres. They're the next tyre on my hit-list to try when I need new tyres in a couple of months.

Not to be sniffed at around £81 (225/45/17) a corner on here:- http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php (http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php)

Or try this review resource:- http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Volkswagen/Golf-GTI.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Volkswagen/Golf-GTI.htm)

Ok, they are mainly MKV reviews, but surely the results can be that different for the MKVI?  :undecided:

HTH

Thanks Mate But £130 a corner and no stock  :shocked:

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m11b0s1316p5854
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 13 January 2010, 17:16
Thanks Mate But £130 a corner and no stock  :shocked:

£130 a corner, FFS!  I'll stick with 17" and the copious amount of skidding, then.   :evil:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 17:26
Thanks Mate But £130 a corner and no stock  :shocked:

£130 a corner, FFS!  I'll stick with 17" and the copious amount of skidding, then.   :evil:


 ^^^:grin: :grin:

Waiting for a call back from local tyre firm but they dont do Vredestein's, so see what he recommends and prices?
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 13 January 2010, 17:31
Waiting for a call back from local tyre firm but they dont do Vredestein's, so see what he recommends and prices?

I dunno about performance in the snow, but another name chucked about in the MKV section are Falken FK452? I think alot of Scooby and E46 M3 owners are running these - can't be bad?!

I'm running Avon ZZ3 (at about 3.5mm) on my front axle and they've been excellent in the snow, actually.

See what yer man says and to be fair, you pays yer money... :afro:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: mac7 on 13 January 2010, 17:43
Continental winter contact are also good - I've used these in the past in the UK and driving in Europe. They'll still be expensive though in 18"s.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 13 January 2010, 17:54
Thanx for all your inputs and keep you informed  :wink:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 13 January 2010, 18:40
...One big family! 

Thanx for all your inputs and keep you informed  :wink:

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: topher on 13 January 2010, 20:55
Mate I really like how you've made such a brand new car into your own with the mods you've done. It was a pleasure to drive it (even though the car didn't actually move anywhere at 100+ mph :grin:)

A little info about the graph for you:

It's colour-coded so you can easily recognise which order the runs are in. Blue = first run, orange = second run and red = third run. Think of it like a temperature scale. (the lines on the graph aren't too clear on the scan)

The numbers at the top as you can see are max power and torque against the rpm they were reached at. The numbers in the brackets are the calculated flywheel bhp (the ones manufacturers quote) and the others are the measured wheel horsepower.

By the 3rd run it seemed heatsoak had set in as the power tailed off quite rapidly. Ambient air temps were quite low and there are 3 fans pointed at the car - one large prop fan and 2 smaller but very powerful fans that are normally used for inflating huge bouncy castles :laugh: So maybe heatsoak..maybe the car/map has an issue.. maybe i messed up trying to avoid the kickdown on the DSG (you'd think i would have the technique down by the 3rd run though :grin: )
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: rjwojcik on 13 January 2010, 21:20
Chaps, we have a number plate on show   :shocked:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Hurdy on 14 January 2010, 12:02
Great to meet you on the RR day Neil :cool:

The MKVI is steadily growing on me, but I'll be keeping the ED30 when I move to a MKVI and stripping it for track.

The rollers seemed to be very accurate and Topher said that they regularly check the accuracy against the likes of JKM's and Awesome's rollers and read on the "accurate" side, rather than the "ego boosting" side :grin:

260 to 270bhp seems to be what the MKVI GTI's kick out with a simple remap and Oettinger are already pushing 300bhp in a higher tune state, so it appears that the TSI is quite a tuneable motor :smiley:

All I need to do now is decide......Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Snoopy on 14 January 2010, 12:36
no i got 18" R32 Wheels, i know you really need smaller/narrower tyres for snow and ice but still has to look the part  :laugh:
Which version.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 14 January 2010, 13:36
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 14 January 2010, 15:53
Mate I really like how you've made such a brand new car into your own with the mods you've done. It was a pleasure to drive it (even though the car didn't actually move anywhere at 100+ mph :grin:)

A little info about the graph for you:

It's colour-coded so you can easily recognise which order the runs are in. Blue = first run, orange = second run and red = third run. Think of it like a temperature scale. (the lines on the graph aren't too clear on the scan)

The numbers at the top as you can see are max power and torque against the rpm they were reached at. The numbers in the brackets are the calculated flywheel bhp (the ones manufacturers quote) and the others are the measured wheel horsepower.

By the 3rd run it seemed heatsoak had set in as the power tailed off quite rapidly. Ambient air temps were quite low and there are 3 fans pointed at the car - one large prop fan and 2 smaller but very powerful fans that are normally used for inflating huge bouncy castles :laugh: So maybe heatsoak..maybe the car/map has an issue.. maybe i messed up trying to avoid the kickdown on the DSG (you'd think i would have the technique down by the 3rd run though :grin: )
Thanks for the info Toph and glad you liked the blast in the motor  :laugh:
the car was flying on the way home what did you do to it, apart from blast a few cobwebs out :rolleyes:
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.
Hurdy great to meet you aswell and that monster mk5 of yours, should be upto 400bhp when you get them other bits fitted surely ?   

 +1  Golf R   FTW   :wink:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: carl1 on 14 January 2010, 15:56
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:

Golf. If you choose  Scirocco wont it basicaly be same as ed30
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 14 January 2010, 15:58
no i got 18" R32 Wheels, i know you really need smaller/narrower tyres for snow and ice but still has to look the part  :laugh:
Which version.  :smiley:

The mk5 R32 wheels but i cant remember the name of them  :embarassed:
The 1st ones that was released for the mk5 with all the spokes on  :embarassed:

Still not got any tyres sorted yet been busy today and tyre place never called me back w..kers,
Don't they want any business.

ohh and Snoopy     Congrats on your 1000th post,  :wink:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: FamilyDub on 14 January 2010, 16:06
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:

Golf. If you choose  Scirocco wont it basicaly be same as ed30

This is a Golf forum. Are we a trifle biased...?  :laugh:

I'd go for Golf R five door, or Scirocco R three door...
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: carl1 on 14 January 2010, 16:14
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:

Golf. If you choose  Scirocco wont it basicaly be same as ed30

This is a Golf forum. Are we a trifle biased...?  :laugh:

I'd go for Golf R five door, or Scirocco R three door...

just a little bit  :laugh: but seriously  the rocco R looks very good value next to the Golf R and id certainly consider one if one came available
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Neil gti on 14 January 2010, 16:15
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:

Golf. If you choose  Scirocco wont it basicaly be same as ed30

This is a Golf forum. Are we a trifle biased...?  :laugh:

I'd go for Golf R five door, or Scirocco R three door...

Golf 3 DOOR !!  FTW    :laugh

Scirroco feels a bit closterfobic for me
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Hurdy on 14 January 2010, 23:38
Golf R or Scirocco R......hmmmmm.

Golf, FTW! :afro:

Golf. If you choose  Scirocco wont it basicaly be same as ed30

This is a Golf forum. Are we a trifle biased...?  :laugh:

I'd go for Golf R five door, or Scirocco R three door...

Golf 3 DOOR !!  FTW    :laugh

Scirroco feels a bit closterfobic for me

Quite fancy the S4 though too :lipsrsealed:

329bhp standard!!!

http://usedcars.audi.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=600801782
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: carl1 on 14 January 2010, 23:50
Thats a good call. been looking at these myself, sound very apealing 3litre twin turbo
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: gossa on 15 January 2010, 08:18
Hurdy, I think I might be one of the few that has owned a Scirocco and a GTI. I would say that the GTI is a much more sorted car, Scirocco was terrible with understeer/torquesteer etc. I guess have a test drive and decide for yourself but I would have the Golf everytime (although the Scirocco looks awesome and more unique).
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Rhyso on 15 January 2010, 08:25
Thats a good call. been looking at these myself, sound very apealing 3litre twin turbo

Its supercharged  :wink:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: mac7 on 15 January 2010, 10:41
Scirocco was terrible with understeer/torquesteer etc.

Did/does the Scirocco have XDS?
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Snoopy on 15 January 2010, 14:04
The mk5 R32 wheels but i cant remember the name of them  :embarassed:
The 1st ones that was released for the mk5 with all the spokes on  :embarassed:

ohh and Snoopy     Congrats on your 1000th post,  :wink:
I think they are called zolder. Its a wheel i quite like on the mk6. You do have good taste in wheels  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road results
Post by: Blackroc on 15 January 2010, 15:28
Scirocco was terrible with understeer/torquesteer etc.

Did/does the Scirocco have XDS?

Sciroccos don't have XDS no, not sure on the R though..