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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Cable on 13 December 2009, 16:36
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VW say that the 16v gti, can do 0-60 in 8.0 seconds, i can easily do this in the wet (carefully). When its dry i would like to see what it can do.
Im not saying its only the 16v i bet the other models can get this as well, and with the top speed it is also higher than the 'book' figures.
Does anyone know if vw or all manufactures underestimate figures?
btw my car and engine has done 147,000 miles
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i take it your using a very expensive gps meter to measure these times?
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no, i just made a video and checked the times, i understand that the speedos are slightly out, so i let the needle get to around 64 to stop the clock
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I very much doubt a 16v could do in less than 8 seconds.
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you cant mesaure a 0-60 time using human judgement, has to be mechanical..
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i managed 0-60 in a day once. :)
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You can do it using one of newer versions of VAG-com.
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I ve done 0 - 60 in 3.2 seconds in my 8v, that was in the sand...
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I ve done 0 - 60 in 3.2 seconds in my 8v, that was in the sand...
hahaha :grin:
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ive got a video of it, i rekon i could get it down into the late 6 seconds in the dry.
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ive got a video of it, i rekon i could get it down into the late 6 seconds in the dry.
:grin:
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ive got a video of it, i rekon i could get it down into the late 6 seconds in the dry.
1 word= no...
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Maybe with a wing on the back, and a better front splitter you will get a bit quicker.
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:laugh: :grin: :grin: :grin: :lipsrsealed:
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
:grin:
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
:grin:
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/caistor_bmx/boatcopy.jpg)
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60? Never been there :sad:
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the only time a standard 16v gti will 60 in less than 8 seconds is if you drive it off a cliff. this thread is pointless. mods please lock it before this forum becomes obsolete
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
:grin:
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/caistor_bmx/boatcopy.jpg)
:laugh: :laugh:
Add some Barnacles and its perfect (just like mine)
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:rolleyes: :shocked: :grin:
haha good thread this, the brand new golf gti does 0-60 on 6.8 or 7? summit along those lines, which is a brand new car and nearly 210bhp, and matey boys there is chatting his 13yr old car give or take with 150 bhp which may i add, some horses will be lost. all but a second and a half can keep up with brand new vw technology. yeh you keep chatting dude.
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Must.......resist.......comment.......
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
:grin:
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/caistor_bmx/boatcopy.jpg)
:laugh: :laugh:
Add some Barnacles and its perfect (just like mine)
new background for the lappy :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
next up, i have a 14 inch c0ck :rolleyes:
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this thread is a joke right? :huh:
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haha i can help you ouyt with the 14 inch c0ck...
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this thread is a joke right? :huh:
well it is in the mk3 section :wink:
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My mate says you can drop 0.2 seconds on the 0-60 time if you have the fan on full :wink:
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haha i can help you ouyt with the 14 inch c0ck...
Are you verticaly challenged? :grin: :grin:
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You can easily get sub 7 secs to 60 in a MKIII. You need 6 cylinders and a rotary muffler not a wheezy NA 4 banger!
nick
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you just sit up on that fence nick :grin:
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MKIII's aren't that bad (much as it make me bash my head on the lappy saying it). My dad had a fettled VR back in the 90's and that car was superb. Went like poop off a stick and was still going strong when he sold it for £500 with 290,000 miles on the clock. Never once let him down but it did fall to pieces. When it went none of the windows worked, the sunroof was fecked, the air conditioning had packed up and the trim was all hanging off and the boot wwas rusted through. It was only 6 years old!
nick
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MKIII's aren't that bad
nick
:grin: :grin:
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ive got a video of it, i rekon i could get it down into the late 6 seconds in the dry.
my brother is the stig, would you like me to see if he can get it down to 5 seconds :grin:
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i should have kept that to myself, anyone going to agree?
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No cause it's impossible without throwing your interior away, getting busy with an angle grinder and slapping a turbo on it!
To put it in perspective I have similar power in my MKII with about 250Kg less weight, semi slicks and I can just about hang onto a MKV GTI to 60 and they do it in just under 7 secs.
Nick
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Ok, well my bro has a honda accord type r, and it keeps up with that to around 90. im not sure on the 0-60 times on that but it has 212bhp and its not that heavy.
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i should have kept that to myself, anyone going to agree?
PM Diamond Hell, sure he will :wink:
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Ok, well my bro has a honda accord type r, and it keeps up with that to around 90. im not sure on the 0-60 times on that but it has 212bhp and its not that heavy.
7.1 the only standard MKIII that would keep up with that past 40 is a VR6. Your Bro's is either broken, has something stuck under the throttle peddle or he can't drive for toffee.
Nick
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ive got a video of it, i rekon i could get it down into the late 6 seconds in the dry.
mate give me some of what your smoking i could do wiv getting loaded :grin:
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My A8 gets to 60 in under 7 seconds, and that is a seriously powerful motor.
Not many golf's will keep up with it.
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autocar tested the 16v at 8.1 to 60 when new (and 7.1 for the vr6) :nerd:
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You can easily get sub 7 secs to 60 in a MKIII. You need 6 cylinders and a rotary muffler not a wheezy NA 4 banger!
nick
That's a bit harsh Nick..
You can do sub 7 seconds in a road going Mk3 - with a 4 cylinder NA engine...
You just need a different FD, Quaife diff, a bottom end good for 7500-8000 RPM and considerably over 200 BHP.
But it can be done...
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You can easily get sub 7 secs to 60 in a MKIII. You need 6 cylinders and a rotary muffler not a wheezy NA 4 banger!
nick
That's a bit harsh Nick..
You can do sub 7 seconds in a road going Mk4 - with a 4 cylinder NA engine...
You just need a different FD, Quaife diff, a bottom end good for 7500-8000 RPM and considerably over 200 BHP.
But it can be done...
How?
The na engines in the mk4 only produce 115 and 125bhp i think?
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How?
The na engines in the mk4 only produce 115 and 125bhp i think?
Oops, typo...meant Mk3.
The fact remains -
You just need a different FD, Quaife diff, a bottom end good for 7500-8000 RPM and considerably over 200 BHP.
More traction, lower gearing, more revs and lots more power and torque will see you under 7 seconds.
If a lardy Mk6 will do it, with 210 BHP...a low geared Mk3 with similar power but less torque, and a good 200 Kgs less mass to lug about, will do it.
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Not a chance a standard 16v will do it that quick.
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i dissagree, i dont think you would need 200+ horses to get to 60 in just under 7 seconds.
maybe im over estimating my figures but i could deffinetly get under 7.5 if i can do 60 in the wet in 8
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How?
The na engines in the mk4 only produce 115 and 125bhp i think?
Oops, typo...meant Mk3.
The fact remains -
You just need a different FD, Quaife diff, a bottom end good for 7500-8000 RPM and considerably over 200 BHP.
More traction, lower gearing, more revs and lots more power and torque will see you under 7 seconds.
If a lardy Mk6 will do it, with 210 BHP...a low geared Mk3 with similar power but less torque, and a good 200 Kgs less mass to lug about, will do it.
Only a nutter like you could achieve it :grin:
BTW what's an FD, i'm a bit pissed at the moment :evil:
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i dissagree, i dont think you would need 200+ horses to get to 60 in just under 7 seconds.
maybe im over estimating my figures but i could deffinetly get under 7.5 if i can do 60 in the wet in 8
thats the point, you DIDNT do sub 8 in the wet.. you were GUESSING! :rolleyes:
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i dissagree, i dont think you would need 200+ horses to get to 60 in just under 7 seconds.
maybe im over estimating my figures but i could deffinetly get under 7.5 if i can do 60 in the wet in 8
I tested the A8 on vag com.
I managed 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, i could probably do abit better.
I also tested a vr6, it only managed 0-60 in just under 8 seconds.
There is no way that a 16v will do it in under 7, unless you're talking about Glen's car.
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my 1.8slow takes 13secs on the 1/8 :cry:
slow for show
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I think the OP's problem is his base figure of 0-60 in 8 secs in the wet is is not correct. No amount of looking at the speedo and using a stop watch is going to get any where close to an accurate time. You need proper timing gear or at least run up a 1.4 mile strip that gives 0-60 (SHakespear county raceway does, but I think pod doesn't).
nick
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I know mine does a sub 6... well at least it did (and will do again) until it shat itself
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i dissagree, i dont think you would need 200+ horses to get to 60 in just under 7 seconds.
maybe im over estimating my figures but i could deffinetly get under 7.5 if i can do 60 in the wet in 8
Righty oh..
I reckon that even with a lower final drive, 195BHP, 7300 rev limit and a Quaife..I'd struggle to get below 7 seconds...
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How many people here deriding the mk3 16v have ever owned/driven one? Do think cable is being a tad optimistic with sub 7.
Some are better than others, I've had a few. My old one kept on the coat tails of my mates E36 328i and he CAN drive for toffee, to be fair my mk3 was specially lightened by tin worm :grin:
http://www.torquestats.com/modified/index.php?pid=calculator&action=calculate_times&drive=FWD&bhp=150&weight=1100&submit=Calculate
This could give you a ballpark figure but it would need to be put up the strip like Nick says....
I've now gone back to a mk2 but I still have the motor from the mk3 waiting to be dropped in the right shell...
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Only a nutter like you could achieve it :grin:
Not yet! :evil:
But soon...
Once the VW Motorsport (Gemini) 6 speed 'box goes in and the Jenveys are on, and the 276s fitted...we'll see!
BTW what's an FD, i'm a bit pissed at the moment :evil:
Final Drive...Crownwheel & Pinion.
3.67 standard...
3.94 much better...
4.23 silly, silly... :lipsrsealed:
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Only a nutter like you could achieve it :grin:
Not yet! :evil:
But soon...
Once the VW Motorsport (Gemini) 6 speed 'box goes in and the Jenveys are on, and the 276s fitted...we'll see!
BTW what's an FD, i'm a bit pissed at the moment :evil:
Final Drive...Crownwheel & Pinion.
3.67 standard...
3.94 much better...
4.23 silly, silly... :lipsrsealed:
Ok cool. Learn something new everyday :grin:
What are the numbers? :undecided:
I know very little about gearboxes to be honest :embarassed:
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no, i just made a video and checked the times, i understand that the speedos are slightly out, so i let the needle get to around 64 to stop the clock
please post video on youtube and then link to it so that we can all see please :smiley:
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Ok cool. Learn something new everyday :grin:
What are the numbers? :undecided:
I know very little about gearboxes to be honest :embarassed:
The higher the FD number, the lower the gearing, meaning the more torque multiplication you get at the wheels...but the slower you go in each gear - although you go through the revs faster.
Shorter gears = faster acceleration, but slower peak speed in each gear.
Higher revving engine + shorter gears - faster acceleration but the peal speeds remain the same.
For example, a standard car will do 67 MPH in 2nd @7000 revs.
Fit a 3.94 and it becomes 62 MPH @ 7000 revs - but faster through 1st/2nd.
Fit a 4.23 and it becomes 58 MPH @ 7000 revs / 60.1 @ 7300 revs - but even faster through 1st/2nd.
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The higher the FD number, the lower the gearing, meaning the more torque multiplication you get at the wheels...but the slower you go in each gear - although you go through the revs faster.
Shorter gears = faster acceleration, but slower peak speed in each gear.
Higher revving engine + shorter gears - faster acceleration but the peal speeds remain the same.
For example, a standard car will do 67 MPH in 2nd @7000 revs.
Fit a 3.94 and it becomes 62 MPH @ 7000 revs - but faster through 1st/2nd.
Fit a 4.23 and it becomes 58 MPH @ 7000 revs / 60.1 @ 7300 revs - but even faster through 1st/2nd.
Also tends to mean that first becomes pretty much useless if you go too far with the ratio due to wheelspin and crawling speed around max revs in first (been there, done that lol!). Does mean you can drive like you have an old style four speed with a dog leg 1st though :tongue:.
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You can easily get sub 7 secs to 60 in a MKIII. You need 6 cylinders and a rotary muffler not a wheezy NA 4 banger!
nick
That's a bit harsh Nick..
You can do sub 7 seconds in a road going Mk3 - with a 4 cylinder NA engine...
You just need a different FD, Quaife diff, a bottom end good for 7500-8000 RPM and considerably over 200 BHP.
But it can be done...
he is right look at brooksters build thread on club gti and hes looking at at least 230 bhp with lightend 2.1l jenvey equipped 16v but i doubt op has summat like his
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ok, well illl upload the vid tmz, if its dry ill see what i can do.
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Also tends to mean that first becomes pretty much useless if you go too far with the ratio due to wheelspin and crawling speed around max revs in first (been there, done that lol!). Does mean you can drive like you have an old style four speed with a dog leg 1st though :tongue:.
You can't even buy a FD that high, for an 02A, so not so much of an issue!
Even with a 4.2 1st is good for 30-35 MPH...good enough to get the lardy Mk3 rolling.
Wheelspin isn't a problem if you set the chassis up properly, and run a Quaife diff...the engine is relatively low torque, don't forget - compared to a VR6 or 1.8T.
I have no problems, wet or dry, putting 190+ BHP down with low gearing.
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ok, well illl upload the vid tmz, if its dry ill see what i can do.
mate please give me that smoke im really miserable and i wanna get happy :grin: proper comedy thread this :grin:
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Whats ur adress ill send it asap :wink:
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Whats ur adress ill send it asap :wink:
tell you what mate take a drive down the road where the latymer school is and youll see my mk1 on the drive, by all means knock on the door and well have a chat and maybe see what your mk3 can do? your in nw london and i aint far away
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just to show you dont need 200+ to get under 7 seconds http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=10312
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Bikes have 12hp and do 0-100 in .5 seconds
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Bikes have 12hp and do 0-100 in .5 seconds
ha ha you wind up, as it happens the one in my sig has been clocked at 5.2 for 0-100mph :wink:
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just to show you dont need 200+ to get under 7 seconds http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=10312
is this your car?
cause i was under the impression you got a fat bastard mk3. if so this link is about as useful as being raped!
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just to show you dont need 200+ to get under 7 seconds http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=10312
No but 190hp is near close enough :grin:
Whoa Nelly! Looks like I strayed into the lard arse section again, I'm outta here! :laugh:
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Whoa Nelly! Looks like I strayed into the lard arse section again, I'm outta here! :laugh:
you only come in here cause you want an amphibious vehicle :rolleyes:
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Whoa Nelly! Looks like I strayed into the lard arse section again, I'm outta here! :laugh:
you only come in here cause you want an amphibious vehicle :rolleyes:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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just to show you dont need 200+ to get under 7 seconds http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=10312
The VR6 nearly always makes more power than quoted have seen some standard ones make 195bhp, sorry but your 16v is nowhere close.
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just to show you dont need 200+ to get under 7 seconds http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=10312
But that Corrado has 40+ BHP more and 40+ lb-ft of torque more, which helps get it off the line.
You don't...and will never have the torque on a 16v...
So you need more power to compensate.
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I would still like to see the video though.
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I'm sure Santa Pod does the 0-60 times. :undecided:
Will have to find out the timing tickets.
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from the minute i read the op i couldnt help think this thread was cursed....
i gave up on power in my mk3 before i bought it, lol....
low n slow... all the time :D
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The only real Golf mk3 is the Vr6 get over it!
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just for the noise :D ^^
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Oh the noise!
(http://ijizzinmypants.com/images/jizzinmypants14.jpg)
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in the words of churchill dog -
"ooohhhhh yes"!
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The only real Golf mk3 is the Vr6 get over it!
is that why u bought a mk4? :tongue:
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The only real Golf mk3 is the Vr6 get over it!
my golf gti was real last time i checked :grin:
the only REAL tdi mk 4 is the 150 :wink: :wink:
:grin: :grin:
*Jokes :wink:
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oh god, lol
its like all out warefare here today! :D
funny though :)
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The only real Golf mk3 is the Vr6 get over it!
is that why u bought a mk4? :tongue:
Why would I want to do a silly thing like that.
The only real Golf mk3 is the Vr6 get over it!
my golf gti was real last time i checked :grin:
the only REAL tdi mk 4 is the 150 :wink: :wink:
:grin: :grin:
*Jokes :wink:
my 130 was real last time i checked :grin:
:evil:
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im just waiting for youtube to validate the video, but in the wet 8 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcU_LrgA6g
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My stop watch makes that 9.5 secs on an average of 5 attempts at timing that footage.
Nick
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mine does around 8, how can you add 1.5 seconds?
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well I'm timing it from the moment the speedo needle moves until it hits 65 on the clocks. Did it 5 times and got an average to try and limit out my reaction times.
Nick
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As you can see it was a normal pull off i have a few
more videos aswell, any way, wat i was getting at is im sure it cat be done ALOT quicker than 8, on a dry day.
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Great to see you post a video of yourself speeding on the tinterweb. :grin:
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Was on a private runway.
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You say this was an 8 second run....what is so special about a 16v running an 8 second 0-60??
See the link below
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=121567.0
Cheers Deano
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Was on a private runway.
:undecided:
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not been out for a while :grin: so here goes
(http://www.bingegamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/big-cock.jpg)
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It was wet
Wet = no traction
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I reckon with super grippy tyres, perfect tarmac and good shifts you could possibly get 7.8 but really your not going to get under 8 secs on the road, on the strip maybe where they spray it with glue.
Timing video is not the most accurate way anyway as the speedo needle doesn't even start to move until you're already rolling. The only way to do it properly is with timing gear or on a drag strip that records 0-60.
I'm not trying to pee on your parade but I've owned and driven a huge number of cars and I know for a fact a bog standard MKIII 16v is not capable of sub 8 sec sprints to 60 without a fair bit of tuning and perfect shifting.
nick
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I reckon with super grippy tyres, perfect tarmac and good shifts you could possibly get 7.8 but really your not going to get under 8 secs on the road, on the strip maybe where they spray it with glue.
Timing video is not the most accurate way anyway as the speedo needle doesn't even start to move until you're already rolling. The only way to do it properly is with timing gear or on a drag strip that records 0-60.
I'm not trying to pee on your parade but I've owned and driven a huge number of cars and I know for a fact a bog standard MKIII 16v is not capable of sub 8 sec sprints to 60 without a fair bit of tuning and perfect shifting.
nick
Thank you for a level headed and spot on reply :smiley:
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As you can see it was a normal pull off i have a few
Wet=no traction
A normal pull off in the wet would be no different to a normal pull off in the dry. Good thread on tyres will always compensate for this. 8 seconds is 8 seconds. I bet I could get about 9.8 seconds in mine!!!!!!!!!
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What i mean is in the dry you can start alot harder than i did in the video. ^^^
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What i mean is in the dry you can start alot harder than i did in the video. ^^^
Yeah that's correct, wet conditions will mean launches are not as quick. I can do 0-60 (on the speedo) in my TDI Polo in about 3 secs just by spinning the wheels in the wet and shifting fast into 2nd while keeping it on boost and the grip off.
Nick
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What i mean is in the dry you can start alot harder than i did in the video. ^^^
No doubting this Mate but you ain't gonna gain 2 seconds on your time realistically are you?? Maybe you can prove us wrong!!! Deano
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Lol, and the shift from 1st to second is hard in the wet. I never said i was going to gain 2 seconds.
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If someone can confirm if Santa Pod give 0-60 time son their slips then you should come up to SPringFest and take it up the strip a few times. That will give you an accurate figue and you'll have a blast and meet some of us lot for a natter about cars all at the same time. It's win/win!
nick
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^^ would love to ^^
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http://www.vwaction.com/gtispring/
Nick
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cant wait for shady to clear this one out too :rolleyes:
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santa pod do NOT give you 0-60 times
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Pants, I had a hunch they didn't.
Nick
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April eh? My car might be back on the road by then, road trip.... :wink:
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cant wait for shady to clear this one out too :rolleyes:
he best not! best entertainment for ages on here!! :grin:
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cant wait for shady to clear this one out too :rolleyes:
he best not! best entertainment for ages on here!! :grin:
So was the other thread thats got shady'd :rolleyes: :tongue:
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SHADY APPROVED TM. COM :grin:
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SHADY APPROVED TM. COM :grin:
Shady Approvedâ„¢ :afro:
WTF is this all about, answers on a postcard please
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:grin: :grin:
suppose we are gonna have to wait for the big man to let us in on that one :laugh:
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:grin: :grin:
suppose we are gonna have to wait for the big headed man to let us in on that one :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:
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santa pod do NOT give you 0-60 times
Damn! cant find my timing tickets!
Not sure now but I know there were other times/speeds on there. Maybe it was 1/8th mile figures? :undecided:
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:grin: :grin:
suppose we are gonna have to wait for the big headed man to let us in on that one :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:
hahahahahaha go on chuff :evil:
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cant wait for shady to clear this one out too :rolleyes:
he best not! best entertainment for ages on here!! :grin:
No thats your sig! :laugh:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqgxiM02pBc&feature=related
This isnt me, but this is what i found.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqgxiM02pBc&feature=related
This isnt me, but this is what i found.
Just over 7 i think
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what i got too...
but not the most accurate, lol
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60-0 is about the only sub 8 sec you will get out of a Mk3
they sink pretty quick too :grin:
hahaha loving it!
:grin:
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/caistor_bmx/boatcopy.jpg)
This has got to be the funniest picture of a MK3 this year, sorry to bump it back up top
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LOL, no one else want to comment? after 11 pages of 'hell no'
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That 2nd one you posted I get an average of 7.9 secs, but he's clearly getting bags of wheels spin and you still can't confirm when it's rolling as I said earlier in this thread the speedo starts moving after the car is rolling. You can post Youtube links forever and a day but they are are hugely inaccurate way of timing 0-60mph runs. You have to use proper timing gear otherwise there's too much % error.
nick
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can a mk3 get to 60?
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can a mk3 get to 60?
Oh Yes! :grin: And beat a Mk2.............
in a straight line! :wink:
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can a mk3 get to 60?
Oh Yes! :grin: And beat a Mk2.............
in a straight line! :wink:
Really? None of the standard MKIII GTI's are faster as even the 8v MKII in standard trim, only the VR6 is quicker.
nick
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Oh Yes! :grin: And beat a Mk2.............
in a canal! :wink:
true true
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That 2nd one you posted I get an average of 7.9 secs, but he's clearly getting bags of wheels spin and you still can't confirm when it's rolling as I said earlier in this thread the speedo starts moving after the car is rolling. You can post Youtube links forever and a day but they are are hugely inaccurate way of timing 0-60mph runs. You have to use proper timing gear otherwise there's too much % error.
nick
As Nick says unless your using proper timing gear it is pointless.
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The mk2 8v is no way faster than the mk3 16v, no way.
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The mk2 8v is no way faster than the mk3 16v, no way.
No it's not faster, they're about the same.
nick
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http://www.girlracer.co.uk/motoring/features/572-five-generations-of-the-golf-gti-.html
nick
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Just browsing the net and found this.
Model Engine............BHP.......0-60......Top Speed
Mk1 1.6 8v 4spd..........110........9.6.........120
Mk1 1.6 8v 5spd..........110........8.7.........122
Mk1 1.8 8v.................112........8.4.........122
Mk2 1.8 8v.................112........9.0.........115
Mk2 1.8 16v...............139........8.0..........124
Mk3 2.0 8v.................115........10.1.......124
Mk3 2.0 16v...............150.........8.5........134
Mk3 2.8 VR6...............174.........7.1........138
Mk4 2.0.....................115........10.5.......121
Mk4 1.8 20vT.............150.........8.5........134
Mk4 1.8 20vT 6spd......180.........7.9........138
Mk4 2.3 V5.................170.........8.2.......139
Mk4 2.8 V6.................204.........7.1.......146
Mk4 1.9 TDI PD...........150..........8.6.......134
http://www.octane.ie/forum/archive/index.php/t-2842.html
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Just browsing the net and found this.
Model Engine............BHP.......0-60......Top Speed
Mk1 1.6 8v 4spd..........110........9.6.........120
Mk1 1.6 8v 5spd..........110........8.7.........122
Mk1 1.8 8v.................112........8.4.........122
Mk2 1.8 8v.................112........9.0.........115
Mk2 1.8 16v...............139........8.0..........124
Mk3 2.0 8v.................115........10.1.......124
Mk3 2.0 16v...............150.........8.5........134
Mk3 2.8 VR6...............174.........7.1........138
Mk4 2.0.....................115........10.5.......121
Mk4 1.8 20vT.............150.........8.5........134
Mk4 1.8 20vT 6spd......180.........7.9........138
Mk4 2.3 V5.................170.........8.2.......139
Mk4 2.8 V6.................204.........7.1.......146
Mk4 1.9 TDI PD...........150..........8.6.......134
http://www.octane.ie/forum/archive/index.php/t-2842.html
Those are the figures on the front page of this site as well but I don't think they're right. THe link I posted above would seem to be closer to the truth.
Nick
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Cheers Wayne....am going to look at a Mark 2 8v tomorrow and was not sure whether to drop my Mark 3 for the Mark 2, but after looking at those figures I am swinging towards the Mark 2 even more. Only problem is that it is my daily driver and I have two kids and the Mark 2 is a three door. Will have some thinking to do this afternoon!!!!!! Cheers Deano
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Just browsing the net and found this.
Model Engine............BHP.......0-60......Top Speed
Mk1 1.6 8v 4spd..........110........9.6.........120
Mk1 1.6 8v 5spd..........110........8.7.........122
Mk1 1.8 8v.................112........8.4.........122
Mk2 1.8 8v.................112........9.0.........115
Mk2 1.8 16v...............139........8.0..........124
Mk3 2.0 8v.................115........10.1.......124
Mk3 2.0 16v...............150.........8.5........134
Mk3 2.8 VR6...............174.........7.1........138
Mk4 2.0.....................115........10.5.......121
Mk4 1.8 20vT.............150.........8.5........134
Mk4 1.8 20vT 6spd......180.........7.9........138
Mk4 2.3 V5.................170.........8.2.......139
Mk4 2.8 V6.................204.........7.1.......146
Mk4 1.9 TDI PD...........150..........8.6.......134
http://www.octane.ie/forum/archive/index.php/t-2842.html
Those are the figures on the front page of this site as well but I don't think they're right. THe link I posted above would seem to be closer to the truth.
Nick
If I get time over xmas I will dig all my old Autocars out of the loft and get some figures put together, I have already done the mk3 ones.
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Having driven both, i would say the mk3 16v is quicker than a mk2 8v by quite a bit.
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surely driven correctly the 16v will always out-perform and equivalent 8v engine.
James
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It all depends what the engine is attached to, weight, gearing, traction, etc, we all know this right? Ultimately this is just playground talk/boasting, I don't think its even entered the pub talk arena yet.
I've always been surprised how well mkII 1.8 8v hustles along.
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surely driven correctly the 16v will always out-perform and equivalent 8v engine.
James
Not as easy as you think, 8v has nearly the same torque.
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Mk2 1.8 8v.................112........9.0.........115
Mk2 1.8 16v...............139........8.0..........124
Mk3 2.0 8v.................115........10.1.......124
Mk3 2.0 16v...............150.........8.5........134
Mk3 2.8 VR6...............174.........7.1........138
Those are the figures on the front page of this site as well but I don't think they're right. THe link I posted above would seem to be closer to the truth.
Nick
I recall the original K-jet Mk2's were quicker than the later Digifant cars (and a bit lighter thanks to less equipment like power steering, electric windows etc). 0-60 in 8.3 sounds about right for a k-jet and the big bumper digi's take more like 9 seconds. 16V's took 7.9 seconds. Remember too some magazines tested with with half a tank of petrol and a passenger, some with only the driver, etc.
I also remember seeing an episode of Top Gear back in the early 90's where they ran a silver E plate 16V with something like 80K on it against a low miles big bumper and the older car left the new one behind - those valvers loosen up nicely in middle age. Now though, with high mileage, there must be so much variation from car to car it wouldn't surprise me if a well cared for 8V Mk2 could keep up with a neglected 16V Mk3.
However, it would surprise me to see a good standard Mk3 16V beat 8 seconds by much.
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can a mk3 get to 60?
Oh Yes! :grin: And beat a Mk2.............
in a straight line! :wink:
Really? None of the standard MKIII GTI's are faster as even the 8v MKII in standard trim, only the VR6 is quicker.
nick
Really!
Was top speed I was thinking of.
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Couple of Autocar figures.
1) Jetta 16V, 0-60 7.1 and 128mph, 2) Corrado 16V, 0-60 8.7 and 131mph
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More figures for you, 1.6 mk1, 0-60 in 9.0, 1.8 mk2 (1985 model), 0-60 in 8.6, they are quoting 906kg for the mk1 and 936kg for the mk2car, the mk3 GTI 1165kg :cry:
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More figures for you, 1.6 mk1, 0-60 in 9.0, 1.8 mk2 (1985 model), 0-60 in 8.6, they are quoting 906kg for the mk1 and 936kg for the mk2car, the mk3 GTI 1165kg :cry:
Fat Birds are low maint though :grin:
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Must be the Kinetic energy then if the heaviest car goes fastest! :grin:
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it wouldn't surprise me if a well cared for 8V Mk2 could keep up with a neglected 16V Mk3.
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i would agree with this
I easily kept up with a mk 3 16v last year, put a post on here about it, got aload of sh!t but seriously was nothing in it, (drag at the lights) my 8v m 3 is very well kept.
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it wouldn't surprise me if a well cared for 8V Mk2 could keep up with a neglected 16V Mk3.
i would agree with this
I easily kept up with a mk 3 16v last year, put a post on here about it, got aload of sh!t but seriously was nothing in it, (drag at the lights) my 8v m 3 is very well kept.
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Bit of a pointless comparison. :rolleyes: I'm sure my pushbike could keep up with a broken down Veyron :laugh:
Same as drag racing at the lights, unless you know you are both giving it everything its a pointless exercise.
Paul