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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: mac7 on 25 November 2009, 16:52
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Little article on a Bluefin GTI http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/245473/golf_gti_by_superchips.html)
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Is Bluefin really that noticable to everyone? or just one of those things that because you know you have done it, it feels faster?
Dave
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Is Bluefin really that noticable to everyone? or just one of those things that because you know you have done it, it feels faster?
Dave
from what the mk5 gti boys say... its very noticable like 25% gain should be. Good write up there also.. and means i dont have to worry about getting it taken off before i go to the dealers. Sounds like a winner!! :cool:
Think i have just convinced myself to go down the blufin route :grin:
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Doing it tomorrow.
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I wonder if James is considering a re-map?
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This sounds like the best option as you can revert back to stock settings at any time. £435 for an extra 50-ish bhp and more torque than the R is very appealing.
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^^ yes 50bhp increase with the K04. around 40bhp for the K03 turbo (mk6)or about 50lb ft of extra torque.£390 +vat if you search for forums discounts. :smiley:
But the winner for Bluefin was you keep "Your Factory map on the handset". Load it on in under 10 minutes.Remove to imobilise the car if your going away, or revert back to stock and not a mocked version that Revo as an example do.
Customer service from Superchips has been 2nd to none. Ive tried 3 different versions of the stage 1 map to pick the best one that suits me and the way the car drives. Figures are not the be all and end all. :smiley:
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You can get the 'select plus' switch from Revo to upload different maps including a factory map.
Agreed the Bluefin is quite a bit cheaper but there was a lot of talk on Sciroccocentral when I had my 'roc between which was best, I think the concensus was that the Revo had had more HP but the bluefin was better value.
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You can get the 'select plus' switch from Revo to upload different maps including a factory map.
Agreed the Bluefin is quite a bit cheaper but there was a lot of talk on Sciroccocentral when I had my 'roc between which was best, I think the concensus was that the Revo had had more HP but the bluefin was better value.
I think the way the power delivery is the main difference between the two mapping Companys.Bluefin tends to be slighly more agressive low down, whereas Revo is more Progressive and holds better Torque by looking at lots of graphs etc
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Bluefin is ace on the Mk5. The DSG map was updated, it cost no more, and was easy to do.
It's up to you.
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Is it honestly as simple as they make out? Like u just plug and play
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Is it honestly as simple as they make out? Like u just plug and play
Easier.
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Bluefin is ace on the Mk5. The DSG map was updated, it cost no more, and was easy to do.
It's up to you.
How do you know when the maps have been updated? Do super chips tell you or is there a way the handset detects it on the net ?
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This remap also interest me as well.
1. A very good written warranty--covers all components damage by their chip and can be extended to
cover the remainder of the manufacturer warranty
2. Competitive pricing----remember they do remap for VWR who charge another £100 more for a less than
satisfactory warranty--will only replace their own defective parts. If your engine blown, your problem!
3. Adrain Flux will cover Superchip cars at no extra cost---need to ring them to find out!
4. I had used them in the past with my Boxster S and Cayman S. I had no issue since the remap.
When I service my car, they didn't mention anything about some funny readings on their laptops???
I am waiting to put a few more miles on my car. If no problem, I will probably go for this mod!
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I think i am convinced and may just order this.. Im not looking for headline figures just something that a bit more responsive and comes with bite.
GROUP BUY ANYONE??? :grin:
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Just waiting for the super chips nod have updated them.......
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Just go the pdf emailed through to me... im convinced enough to order i think. Just going to see if I can find myself a forum discount :smiley:
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Any one know why its cheaper at JKM than it is direct from Superchips??
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefin-vw.htm#P
http://www.superchips.co.uk/index.php?option=com_frontpage&task=searchcat&Itemid=134
:huh:
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Just go the pdf emailed through to me... im convinced enough to order i think. Just going to see if I can find myself a forum discount :smiley:
If it works well with DSG I'm in.
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Any one know why its cheaper at JKM than it is direct from Superchips??
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefin-vw.htm#P
http://www.superchips.co.uk/index.php?option=com_frontpage&task=searchcat&Itemid=134
:huh:
Don't know but thanks for the link. That's a good price.
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My VW dealer (great guy, Mike Simm, Pulman Durham) mentioned VWR Performance Upgrade Packs (I test drove a Gti mark VI with the upgrade) - not necessary for me but you guys might be interested, even if only as a comparison. Expensive compared to Blue Fin - Power increase to 250bhp, torque increase to 380Nm, Performance VWR Rear Exhaust ('R' branded tailpipes) and Performance VWR Air Filter - £1,499 fully fitted. Also, VWR Sport Spring Set and 20mm lower ride height - £599 fully fitted - fitted by VW Retailer.
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My VW dealer (great guy, Mike Simm, Pulman Durham) mentioned VWR Performance Upgrade Packs (I test drove a Gti mark VI with the upgrade) - not necessary for me but you guys might be interested, even if only as a comparison. Expensive compared to Blue Fin - Power increase to 250bhp, torque increase to 380Nm, Performance VWR Rear Exhaust ('R' branded tailpipes) and Performance VWR Air Filter - £1,499 fully fitted. Also, VWR Sport Spring Set and 20mm lower ride height - £599 fully fitted - fitted by VW Retailer.
Mmmm I like the sound of this one although it's pricey! at least you would still have your warranty.
May have this done in the New Year.
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warranty, GW - quoting the booklet '....the VWR Upgrade Package comes with a full mechanical warranty to ensure that your cover matches the remaining Volkswagen-supplied warranty for the car....for more details please ask your Volkswagen Retailer...' - if I was going to get it, I'd have to know more about VWR's definition of 'matches' - matches the duration of the remaining VW warranty or the actual specifics of the cover?? - Yes, much cheaper than buying the R but I think more sensible, money-wise, to spend £5K on the 'R' than £1,500 for the upgrade - anyway, I'm more than happy with the Gti's 'standard' performance - enough for me.
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I have been in email contact with Kate at JKM as I am ordering the Bluefin at £390 inc VAT and may have the cruise fitted as well. The Autoexpress article has convinced me.
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great price but the whole warranty thing is a concern
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great price but the whole warranty thing is a concern
As far as I understand the warrenty is covered by Superchips for the parts / work that VW will not pay for if they uncover the re map. I have a good relationship with my dealer so I would hope they could do something if there was an issue.
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I assume that the VWR upgrade is a better bet re warranty but much much more expensive
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I assume that the VWR upgrade is a better bet re warranty but much much more expensive
Superchips supply the VW cup team so I assume that the VWR upgrade is Superchips?????
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no mention of the Super Chips name in VWR's upgrade booklet
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no mention of the Super Chips name in VWR's upgrade booklet
Mentions it here
http://www.superchips.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=32
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I assume that Super Chips is a VWR agent and/or has a licence to supply and fit VWR's products - what's the difference between Super Chip's £400 upgrade and VWR's £1,500 work (besides the £1,100)?
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Must admit warranty issues do concern me and if spending £1500 or even £400 on the superchips mod and the car then has problems I would be gutted if I then had to spend an absolute mint to sort it out, so probably will stick with my 210bhp GTI after all.
GW
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I assume that Super Chips is a VWR agent and/or has a licence to supply and fit VWR's products - what's the difference between Super Chip's £400 upgrade and VWR's £1,500 work (besides the £1,100)?
Cat back exhaust, air filter, an insurance warrenty to fill in were VWs will not cover, Boot badge, Certificate saying whats been done, fitting. Guess you have been talking to pulmans again as they are VWR agents.
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people do seem to be 'chipping' their cars nowadays as a matter of course - I'm happy with the 'standard' Gti but, like most things, it's a personal thing...
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the guy from Pulman, Mike Simm, who is handling the sale of the Gti to me, he mentioned the upgrade to me and brought one of their Gtis with the upgrade to me for a test drive - I didn't ask to test drive the upgraded car, I just wanted another test drive in a DSG before deciding between DSG and manual.
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Must admit warranty issues do concern me and if spending £1500 or even £400 on the superchips mod and the car then has problems I would be gutted if I then had to spend an absolute mint to sort it out, so probably will stick with my 210bhp GTI after all.
GW
stick with it for 3 yrs then until the warranty runs out at any rate! :laugh:
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I've had 2 maps for a Mk5 DSG. At first they limited the torque at low to medium revs then, once VW had OKed higher torques for the DSG box, they gave same power boost to both manual and DSG cars. The first map was slower but smoother, better in the wet. The second map bangs the torque in with a thump. Both are a lot faster than standard. However in some ways the car is sweeter with the standard map (but not as quick). :laugh:
The unit is well made and easy to use. It swaps back to the original map with ease, unlike other remappers who swap back to a generic map, loosing your original.
Well worth doing.
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I would not let those cowboys at superchips anywhere near my car again...
Search the mk5 forum about them - having received about 8 different maps for my ed30 and visiting them at their HQ i realised they have not
got a clue what they are doing - they produce remaps for every car make under the sun from kia to ford but specialise in none..
Its a big decision remapping a car especially one less than a year old - do some research and don't go by autoexpress review :sick: they publish what people pay them to do along with their heavily photoshoped pics of cars
one word : revo
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the guy from Pulman, Mike Simm, who is handling the sale of the Gti to me, he mentioned the upgrade to me and brought one of their Gtis with the upgrade to me for a test drive - I didn't ask to test drive the upgraded car, I just wanted another test drive in a DSG before deciding between DSG and manual.
I did not know they had a demo modelwith it fitted. Interesting
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I think people should go on their website and read the small print.
VWR does not cover anything other than their products ie defective cat or ecu. If your engine got blown up by they remap, sorry chaps, they don't want to know. Superchip seems to suggests they have that cover but will they honour it if something goes wrong? I am still undecided!
Another factor to consider = it is a lot of hassle to claim something from VW customer service or your local stealers if something goes wrong from a standard car. Wonder what their response going to be if the car is modded!
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I've never been tempted to 'chip' but seems best to not bother until the manufacturer's warranty is out of date.
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the warranty offered by superchips should be taken with a pinch of salt..
it will be very difficult for you to prove that any issues that may arise has been caused by the remap or another contributing factor, and i bet my ed30 that superchips will not be very supportive if a claim does arise
if you lease your car then I would also stay well clear of any remaps - firstly you are going against the lease agreement and also as one of our Seat cousins found out if you do have a problem you will not be covered under warranty and the company which leases the vehicle will demand full payment for the car as well as a costly repair bill...
i have recently had issues regarding a faulty dsg mechatronic unit which is quite common among 07-08 dsg cars and results in a jerky gear box I attempted to get this repaired under warranty with the car been only 2 years old but due to the engine remap along with a few other mods I have been informed I am no longer covered under warranty... £2k bill for a new dsg mech unit !!
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Agghhh!!!
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It's a shame that VW doesn't take advantage of the tuning part of the business.
I remember they used to offer lower suspension and rear silencer in the past???
Both Merc (AMG), BMW and Porsche Tequipment offer lots of goodies for their customer who want their car to look and perform a bit different from their peers!
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I guess if they were selling thousand quid 'chips', they'd have less demand for cars like the 'R' - as far as they are concerned, you buy the Gti or the 'R' (on which, I assume, they make a better profit than they get when a Gti is sold) - makes business sense.
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Just go the pdf emailed through to me... im convinced enough to order i think. Just going to see if I can find myself a forum discount :smiley:
If it works well with DSG I'm in.
It does, but insure they supply you with the DSG version map and not the Manual map, as they are two different types, and ive had the pleasure of the wrong map to start with!!!. I had horendous gear change throttle responce issues!!!. Correct map is superb!.
They do a more aggressive map or a toned down torque map aswell if you find it too balistic. They will change your map F.O.C if its not to your liking.
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i have recently had issues regarding a faulty dsg mechatronic unit which is quite common among 07-08 dsg cars and results in a jerky gear box I attempted to get this repaired under warranty with the car been only 2 years old but due to the engine remap along with a few other mods I have been informed I am no longer covered under warranty... £2k bill for a new dsg mech unit !!
I wouldn't have told 'em about the remap. Mine never goes to a VW garage without the original map.
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when you got no engine cover, a upgraded air intake, catch can, big exhaust and new fuel pump its hard to hide your modified :wink:
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the warranty offered by superchips should be taken with a pinch of salt..
Salt principle applies to all remap warranties. A good remap will never create problems, but always highlight existing ones or weak components that may have been defective from the factory. The methods and technology are tried and tested, nothing is strained beyond safe margins and that's exactly why some dealers offer ECU remaps - they can always point the fault back to something that should be covered by the vw warranty.
If your dealer didn't supply the ECU remap, then you'll be fighting against them.. rather than with them, for any warranty claims. Choose your tuner wisely, a VW specialist will generally have more of a clue if you run into any problems than some fella that flashes a file to a car without even lifting the bonnet in the dealership car park.
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had bluefin on my ed30 for nearly 3 years, its fantastic, super quick, super smooth. I've had no problems with them either, always found them to have very good customer service, and no, i dont have anything to do with them, just saying as i find them. i dont doubt that revo are also very good, dont really see the need to slag them off because i have a different map, its just that i find bluefin more to my liking, its so easy to revert back to standard for a visit to the stealers, and it's supposed to reset the flash counter so it cant be seen how many times its been flashed. not sure how true that one is though. pay your price and make your choice.
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had bluefin on my ed30 for nearly 3 years, its fantastic, super quick, super smooth. I've had no problems with them either, always found them to have very good customer service, and no, i dont have anything to do with them, just saying as i find them. i dont doubt that revo are also very good, dont really see the need to slag them off because i have a different map, its just that i find bluefin more to my liking, its so easy to revert back to standard for a visit to the stealers, and it's supposed to reset the flash counter so it cant be seen how many times its been flashed. not sure how true that one is though. pay your price and make your choice.
More stories please
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I think it's common sense...
Stick to a reputable tuner and don't go chasing every last BHP and you are likely to be fine.
If people want to wait 3 years to play with their car, fine...personally I'll be bored by then...so I wouldn't hesitate in re-mapping from new or nearly new.
Past experience is enough for me to be happy to do so.
Of course, if you chase every last BHP and have the non-standard inlet/exhaust...then it becomes more obvious...
If you want a re-map then you want more power...that's obvious. If you are prepared to re-map whilst under warranty...then you know the risks.
Personally, if you take the risk, you'd be as well looking at the chance of an engine granade as an opportunity to tune further. How many people are likely to blow up their 2.0 TSI and replace with stock engine/turbo, at their cost?
Avoid the dealer network, and have uprated internals/turbo fitted for about the same cash...and get even more power.
It's a slippery slope...
You pay your money and make your choice.