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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: p3eps on 31 October 2009, 16:01
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I was up at the dealer today ordering my Golf R.
One of the options I wanted was the Electronic Folding Mirrors - so I chose the Luxury Pack.
My dealer told me that in ordering the Lux Pack, this would then remove the Convenience Pack (which is standard). This would mean that I no longer have the auto dimming mirror, auto lights, and auto wipers. I asked why - and he said he didn't really know.
Apparently a customer ordered in a MK6 GTI and was gutted that they removed these things - as he could have both on his MK5 at once.
I've looked on the website, and can't see any mention of this - but it was mentioned in the print out he had to show me when we went through the options pricing.
Folding mirrors aren't the end of the world - but for £120 I'd like to take them... but not enough to lose the auto lights etc.
Any ideas?
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By the way... its half way down page 8 of this document:
http://cdn.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-gti-vi-pricelist.pdf
'Convenience pack and Luxury pack cannot be specified in conjunction with each other'.
WEIRD :angry:
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I specced the Lux pack for the folding mirrors too. As far as I can tell, my MkVI GTI still has the auto dimming mirrors, auto lights and auto wipers.
I say as far as I can tell since:
1, The Auto lights and Xenon DRLs means that the lights are pretty much on all the time.
2, There is a auto dimming switch on the rear view mirror which turns on and off, but I haven't really noticed the difference.
3, I've not worked out how to use the auto wipers as yet(!)
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I've just read the manual you provided a link to....
As far as I can tell the luxury pack supercedes the convenience pack
I.e. It does everything the convenience pack does (standard on gti and R etc) + folding mirrors etc.
So you can have both packs but it is called the luxury pack!
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There are two prices for the luxury pack, the lower price for the gti as it already has the convenience pack fitted, ie most of the luxury pack! speccing the lux pack on the gti just adds the rest. your dealer is a dipstick!
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LOL agreed give him a slap
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Your salesman has a low IQ and is suffering from 'the computer said so' syndrome.
LOL agreed give him a slap
yep, should sort out the problem. :grin:
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But why does it say this half way down the page.
3. Convenience pack and Luxury pack cannot be specified in conjunction with each other.
The dealer told me about a customer who recieved their car and it DIDN'T have the auto lights because it had the lux pack.
The bottom Lux pack is for the GTI / R which already has most of the things. Its just the above statement that scares me!
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Because if you have a poverty spec Golf and try to spec both, you'll be buying half the stuff twice.
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Ah well... I'll make the call tomorrow and see if he'll change my order.
£120 for folding mirrors seems fairly cheap as a retrofit would be about £600!
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Speccy's is it? :smiley:
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Your dealer is an idiot. This is rubbish.
I specced the luxury pack for the folding mirrors (tight garage door), and I've got the automatic wipers and the self-dimming mirror and all the trimmings. I had automatic wipers on my last car and I definitely wanted to keep them.
Your dealer has misunderstood the specifications in the same way as some others on this thread. He needs to be taken out and shot. The luxury pack (for the basic Golfs) includes everything that is in the convenience pack, that's why you can't specify them both!
This guy should be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Rolfe.
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^what she said. :smiley:
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Lovin your new sig by the way!!!!!!! :cool:
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Lovin your new sig by the way!!!!!!! :cool:
Thanks! I thought I'd better change it since I have a new car on order! I'll spruce it up a bit when there are real silver photos available!
Looks like I'll be giving the dealer a call tomorrow and asking him to add the Lux Pack then.
I was a bit dubious of the whole thing - but when he told me about the previous customer who never got auto lights, and then showed me the line in the brochure, it seemed to make sense.
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Either there was some sort of misunderstanding about the other car (the owner thought he didn't have stuff he really did have?), or he had suffered some sort of mis-build and someone should have been sorting it out for him. Not telling him it was meant to be like that!
Rolfe.
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When you read that document I've linked to in the second post, what the dealer said DOES actually make sense.
If you look at the Convenience Pack (page 8 ) it has a tick in the GTI as standard equipment - and then a little 3 next to it.
In the Lux Pack it also has the little 3 next to it.
The little 3 at the bottom says you can't spec them together.
If the GTI already has the Convenience Pack as standard, that would indicate that you can't order the Lux Pack with it. You can either have one or the other. If I had to choose, I would take the Convenience Pack - but ideally I'd have both!
If you guys are saying that you have both - then great - but I can see what the dealer is saying.
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I can assure you I have the luxury pack, and nothing has been dropped. There was never any question of not getting automatic windscreen wipers and auto-dimming mirror - they're standard, for goodness sake!
So the brochure is misleading. Somebody should have proof-read it a bit better. But it's the dealer's job to know this stuff.
Rolfe.
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P3eps, your car is gonna be the hariest dogs danglies, I cant wait to see the pics.
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P3eps, your car is gonna be the hariest dogs danglies, I cant wait to see the pics.
Afraid its gonna be a LOOOOONG wait!!! :cry:
There was never any question of not getting automatic windscreen wipers and auto-dimming mirror - they're standard, for goodness sake!
Thanks for the confirmation.
I'll tell him tomorrow when I ask him to add the Lux Pack. The auto wipers on my MK5 drove me nuts - but I couldn't live without the auto / come home lights! I love having people telling me 'You've left your lights on mate' every time I walk away from the car :laugh:
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The little 3 at the bottom says you can't spec them together.
If the GTI already has the Convenience Pack as standard, that would indicate that you can't order the Lux Pack with it. You can either have one or the other. If I had to choose, I would take the Convenience Pack - but ideally I'd have both!
If you guys are saying that you have both - then great - but I can see what the dealer is saying.
The salesman really should be shot as others have said.
The confusion in the pricelist is because on a GTI / R (i presume) the convenience pack comes as standard. So you can't possible spec for the 2 of them so when you spec the Luxury pack, all it really does is add "Electrically foldable door mirrors, door mirror puddle lights and reverse activated kerb-view adjustment on passenger’s door mirror" to the convenience pack and is then called the Luxury pack that is why it only costs an extra £115
The pricelist is like that because on my car a "GT" it doesn't come with either convenience or luxury packs so you might get someone trying to add both but in effect the Luxury pack has everything the convenience pack has plus the mirrors. That is why it cost me an extra £205 to get the pack.
Hope that has sorted it for you.
And don't ever listen to salesmen again :laugh:
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I spoke to the salesman today.
I asked him to phone VW and confirm the situation with adding the Lux Pack with the Convenience pack.
He called back about 20 mins later and told me that I would get everything, but lose out on the Come Home lights if I took them both together.
Can anyone confirm this? I liked the coming home lights on my ED30!!
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You can't physically have them together!
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You can't physically have them together!
So this is correct?
As standard on a GTI / R I would get come home lights, auto dimming rear view mirror, rain sensing wipers, auto lights, and footwell lights.
If I spec the Lux Pack onto it I then get:
folding mirrors, kerb view mirror, puddle lights, auto dimming rear mirror, rain sensing wipers, auto lights and footwell lights - but I lose out on the come home lights?
Seems odd - but thats what the dealer is suggesting!
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I don't know if I've got the come home lights or not because I don't use them. (I've got a strip light in the garage, and a motion-sensor-activated security light outside it.) If I get a chance, I'll have a fiddle and see if the option's there.
I cannot see why the luxury pack should in any way make it impossible to retain that feature.
Rolfe.
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I cannot see why the luxury pack should in any way make it impossible to retain that feature.
It doesn't really make sense to me either.
I'd appreciate it if you could check if you get a spare minute. I'll probably go with the Lux Pack anyway - as coming home lights aren't a major thing... but they are quite handy in a dark car park!
My order is on hold until I decide - although a day or 2 isn't going to make a huge difference on a 4+ month wait (plus my prior 5 months!).
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I don't know why I've bothered as you obviously ignored my other posts :cry:
From VW:
Convenience pack: Automatic dimming interior rear-view mirror, automatic headlights on
with coming/leaving home lighting function, front footwell illumination
and rain sensor.
That is standard on a GTI. You CAN'T remove that.
So by adding the luxury pack you will now have:
Luxury pack: Automatic dimming interior rear-view mirror, automatic headlights on with
coming/leaving home lighting function, electrically foldable door mirrors,
door mirror puddle lights, reverse activated kerb-view adjustment on
passenger’s door mirror, front footwell illumination and rain sensor
Have a look here http://cdn.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-gti-vi-pricelist.pdf (http://cdn.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-gti-vi-pricelist.pdf) at page 6 where it says "Additional items of equipment GTD (over GT)"
– 2Zone electronic climate control with automatic
air recirculation
– Automatic coming/leaving home lighting function
– Dusk sensor, automatic driving lights
– Front fog lights
– Front footwell illumination
– Rain sensor and automatic dimming interior rear-view mirror
– Steering wheel including paddle shift (auto DSG only)
The GTI gets all that as standard as well as
– Sports suspension, lowered by approx. 22 mm front, 15 mm rear
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I don't know why I've bothered as you obviously ignored my other posts :cry:
I'm not ignoring you :rolleyes:
I'm just a bit confused by what the dealer has said.
OK... he didn't know what he was talking about for a start - but then he's actually gone and phoned VW who told him I'll get everything apart from Coming Home lights.
Seems like a ridiculous thing to say as why would they effect anything.
I'm going to phone back today and add the Lux Pack anyway!
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On a positive note it may stop muppets informing you that you've left your lights on :grin:
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The coming home lights are a pain anyhow on the mk6 as you have to manualy set them everytime you get out the car by flashing the main beam twice (if anyones walking/driving past you get strange looks as they think you are flashing them etc) much prefer the mk5 ones, i cant understand why they done this unless it saves VW money which is proberly the real reason
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I think its much better designed. Meaning you can choose when you want them on as its not rocket science. :laugh:
Keys out the ignition, quick flash (only once on mine) and as soon as you open the door the lights come on.
Then Q "hey mate you've left your lights on :smiley:"
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I called the salesman again today... and told him to add the Lux Pack to my spec. He said - OK, that'll be another £120 then.
I said - Surely you can make that a round number... and he said I suppose so!
Wow - another £20 discount :laugh:
He then said he'd get my order faxed off now since I know what I want.
Edge of the seat for the next few weeks until I hear back if its been confirmed. Once that happens I can order my Fiscon Bluetooth Plus kit, then sit and wait for another 4 months!!! :sick:
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I note my MFD thinks I've got coming-home lights. I've never seen them come on, but I'd forgotten that bit about having to flash in order for it to actually happen. I haven't parked in the dark anywhere since I got the car, and as I said, my garage is well lit. I'll have to remember next time it's my turn for choir car-share 'cos there aren't any street lights in Carlops and the village car park is as black as the Earl of Hell's waistcoat.
I do have leaving-home lights, they come on when I use the remote unlock.
I've no idea what VW told your dealer, but I think I've got the lot with the lux pack. I don't think the MFD would allow me to choose the time-on for my coming-home lighting function if it didn't actually do it.
Rolfe.
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I think its much better designed. Meaning you can choose when you want them on as its not rocket science. :laugh:
Keys out the ignition, quick flash (only once on mine) and as soon as you open the door the lights come on.
Then Q "hey mate you've left your lights on :smiley:"
Yeah mine's the same, one flash and open door and on come the lights. genius
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prob once on mine i only used it twice i can't remember as iv sold mine, from what i remember after a certain while when i returned to the car (say next morning still dark) they would not come on when i opened the car even tho id flashed the lights previous night
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Never felt the need for using come home or leaving home lights.
So I guess its a good idea to have the choice of the coming home lights or not. Personally I find the puddle lights are really good for providing some extra lighting.
Still slightly annoying that there is no remote option for the folding mirrors. Ah well there are bigger things in life to worry about.
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So I guess its a good idea to have the choice of the coming home lights or not. Personally I find the puddle lights are really good for providing some extra lighting.
I've found my puddle lights useless but now I think about it, its probably because they are drowned out by the headlights.
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Just to confirm (as I think others have).
Tried the "flick the lights" immediately after switching off the engine tonight, and the lights obediently came on when I opened the door. Works a treat. Will use in dark car parks now it's nearly winter.
Lux pack definitely retains the facility.
Somebody is telling fairy stories.
Rolfe.
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Thanks for checking.
It seemed such a bizzare story from the dealer that I couldn't see why he'd make it up!
I just couldn't figure out how having folding mirrors would remove something that was standard with the car.
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Well, it's an ill wind....
I hadn't really investigated the coming/leaving home options, and this prompted me to do that. I'm going to lengthen the time on for both, so that I can turn the lights on from across the car park and they'll still be on when I get there, also for parking in dark car parks in the evening. The car park we have to use for choir practice is very dark, and there are puddles, and the entire village is a street-light-free zone. I keep forgetting my torch. If I reverse into a parking space, I shouldn't actually need the torch!
Rolfe.
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On a similar theme, has anyone noticed how far the remote works on a Golf?
I was in Ikea the other day in the restaurant and as usual had parked my car at the other side of the car park away from the other cars. I was sitting eating my dinner when I noticed a couple of folk walking towards the car so decided to check my car was locked by pressing the lock button, thinking it would never work as it was about 500 yards away. Couldn't believe the lights flashed!!!
Anyone tested it olut further?
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On a similar theme, has anyone noticed how far the remote works on a Golf?
I was in Ikea the other day in the restaurant and as usual had parked my car at the other side of the car park away from the other cars. I was sitting eating my dinner when I noticed a couple of folk walking towards the car so decided to check my car was locked by pressing the lock button, thinking it would never work as it was about 500 yards away. Couldn't believe the lights flashed!!!
Anyone tested it olut further?
I unlocked it from so far away today, it re-locked itself just as I was about to open the door!
I'm not sure how clever this is. It's cute, for sure, and it does allow you to use the leaving-home lights to light your way across the car park. My old car required me to be right alongside it before it would register the remote, and it occurred to me it might be a good thing. Suppose you dropped your key in a car park. How easy do you want to make it for the finder to figure out which car they now have a key to?
Rolfe.
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On a similar theme, has anyone noticed how far the remote works on a Golf?
I was in Ikea the other day in the restaurant and as usual had parked my car at the other side of the car park away from the other cars. I was sitting eating my dinner when I noticed a couple of folk walking towards the car so decided to check my car was locked by pressing the lock button, thinking it would never work as it was about 500 yards away. Couldn't believe the lights flashed!!!
Anyone tested it olut further?
You probably already know this but when your standing along way from your car and you want to lock it but you are out of range,point the fob at your head and try.
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Thought that was proved to be a myth?