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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: VWKev on 12 July 2009, 23:22
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Anyone know what sort of figures the guys hope to get from the mk6 GTI ?
After seeing the RS on topgear, I want more from the GTI :grin:
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You'll be looking at around 250ish BHP as the same basic spec turbo is used as on the 200PS MK5.
You'll have to wait for the R model if you want 300bhp cabability. :drool: You'll need deep pockets too if you do.
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The RS Focus looks fun to drive, but I'd be embarassed to be seen in one. So vulgar ;)
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You'll be looking at around 250ish BHP as the same basic spec turbo is used as on the 200PS MK5.
You'll have to wait for the R model if you want 300bhp cabability. :drool: You'll need deep pockets too if you do.
One report I read was talking about circa £2k extra for the 3dr and anothe £2k again for the 5dr.
Sound wrong to me as the gti diff between 3 and 5 drs is a lot smaller.
Otherwise £2k extra could be good value for the extra performance, depends also on what kit they chuck in as standard (eg xenons are a grand already). Though if I were vw I wouldn't want to risk of pissing off new mk6 owners...
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We should have an answer later this week as my car is going to Revo tomorrow to be the 'mule' for their map development. 260+ like the Scirocco has been mentioned.........
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the 'mule' for their map development.
Hmm, if you needed open heart surgery, would you like to be the new surgeon's mule? You're a braver man than I. Best of luck :)
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the 'mule' for their map development.
Hmm, if you needed open heart surgery, would you like to be the new surgeon's mule? You're a braver man than I. Best of luck :)
Hmmm, not sure what you know abut the process mate but I'm having a switchable map so I can switch between factory settings and the perfrmance map that Revo will create based on my car.
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FroGTI, it's not exactly like he's going to be the first ever 'victim' with that engine! The engine has been around for a while in Audis and is not too different to the ED30 engine minus the cambelt and big turbo. REVO are a global operation and know their onions; so basically REVO are no strangers to this engine! Gossa is just going to get the first UK 'customer' map no doubt in return for a few write ups and what nots.
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They don't even need a car to develop the map, they need a car to upload it to and tweak it, put it on a rolling road and get some figures so people can see what can be achieved.
I'm getting a deal on it as i'm obviously loaning them my car but i'd probably be buying it even if I wasn't. I've heard very good things about Revo and now my car has stretched it's legs too 1000miles i'm happy to see what the potential is.
As it is it's a great car but it feels like there's a lot more lurking in there so i'd like to see how much USABLE power can be utilized.
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Yeah I've not checked REVOs webby for a while but I reckon they already have a retail version of the map for at least some foreign Audis with this engine. So they will just need to check the settings work okay on your car I would guess. I've had REVO on 1.8t's although I use a different map on my mk5. I guarantee it will give you oodles of torque making the engine pick up much much quicker. It would deffo be the first thing on my shopping list if I ever manage to get a deal on a mk6. :wink:
Would be criminal not to. :evil:
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You do realise you're all quite mad, don't you? :rolleyes:
Rolfe.
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I really am quite happy enough with the speed that I will get from my new GTI. Where in this country are you going to be able to run it at the speed that you will get from a re-map? All that is going to do imho is eat up loads of your money. :rolleyes:
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You don't have to drive the car flat out to reap the benefits of a remap Morag/gizzy. The masses of extra torque just makes the car easier to drive. Sort of turbo-Diesel torque mated to a quicker top end for overtaking.
Talking of which, I wonder when REVO will get the CR TDI 170 map sorted for the GTD?
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I really am quite happy enough with the speed that I will get from my new GTI. Where in this country are you going to be able to run it at the speed that you will get from a re-map? All that is going to do imho is eat up loads of your money. :rolleyes:
A remap can provide better fuel economy too, it's not all about more speed but yes, it will be quicker for the situations that require it (overtaking etc).
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With the risk of having cyber stuff thrown at me I would say that a stage 1 remap is better value than most of the options on VWs price list! It can be used discreetly every single day. Don't knock it 'til ya try it springs to mind!
I agree up to a point with gizzy on the wasted money for road use when you're looking at changing full exhausts and cats and mega pricey intakes (stage 2) on a virtually brand new car for the limited extra they give you over just a plain stage 1 remap for ROAD USE.
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Agreed mate, I bet if it was an option on the VW price list (+50HP £500) a lot of folks would be ticking that box. Because it is an aftermarket tuning company many people seem to think it's modifying the car outside of it's limits and somehow risky.
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some dealers do offer remaps :nerd:
i know a couple of the MKV lads had theirs done through a local dealer
as has been said - its THE best value for money mod you can do :cool:
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I know Gossa has his new car now so what mileage are you getting mate? and how much do you think the re-map would add?
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I know Gossa has his new car now so what mileage are you getting mate? and how much do you think the re-map would add?
Well averaging 28mpg and I do find it drinks the juice moreso than the Scirocco. However most of my miles are backroads between Dorset and Devon. I'll ask them to tweak things based on how and where I drive and see what the gains are.
Seems the manual is thirstier than the DSG?
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I know Gossa has his new car now so what mileage are you getting mate? and how much do you think the re-map would add?
Well averaging 28mpg and I do find it drinks the juice moreso than the Scirocco. However most of my miles are backroads between Dorset and Devon. I'll ask them to tweak things based on how and where I drive and see what the gains are.
Seems the manual is thirstier than the DSG?
Should be the other round if the person in the manual knows how to drive it properly.
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Hi, I am new to the world of remapping... If just changing the air intakes and vents, will it void the warranty?
I agree that if VAG had a box to tick in order to increase 50hp, I would have done so. But sadly no deal. I dont think my dealership does remapping. I will check when I go pick up the car. Sigh any day now...
As to Gossa`s concern on manuals being more thirsty, he he he... hmmmm more study needs to be done. Am wondering whether the mkVIs have an indicator on the center of the speedometer to indicate what gear one should be in? Gossa? Because the GTI has it...
HM
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A re-map just changes the ECU settings, there are no physical signs of having it done. It changes the turbo boost, fuel and ignition maps.
I would advise against asking the dealer when you pick the car up as it may blot your copybook when any warranty issues arise!!! If you're going to ask your dealer do it annonymously over the phone!
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Hi, I am new to the world of remapping... If just changing the air intakes and vents, will it void the warranty?
I agree that if VAG had a box to tick in order to increase 50hp, I would have done so. But sadly no deal. I dont think my dealership does remapping. I will check when I go pick up the car. Sigh any day now...
As to Gossa`s concern on manuals being more thirsty, he he he... hmmmm more study needs to be done. Am wondering whether the mkVIs have an indicator on the center of the speedometer to indicate what gear one should be in? Gossa? Because the GTI has it...
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Yes the GTI has the gear indicator and I think that's the issue, I always thought my Scirroco DSG was in a hurry to get into top gear, it seems VW want us all to drive around under 3000rpm for emissions reasons but I am driving the manual in higher revs as driving around in 6th at 30mph at 2,500rpm aint my idea of fun.
Oh Alan, please give me some tips, you obviously know something I don't about driving a manual?
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ooooow.... I will then give it a miss.... 210bhp is more than sufficient for my everyday needs. Just thought I explore and at the same time being a little curious...
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Oh Alan, please give me some tips, you obviously know something I don't about driving a manual?
Oh the joys of the internet. I didnt mean my comment to come across how you appear to have taken it (Im assuming your comment is sarcasim?)
A physical person can get more MPG by sticking it in a higher gear than what a VW computer will do (possibly leaving it a lower gear than it could be).
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Thanks Gossa I look forward to hearing how your re-map goes and fuel economy improvements in the weeks to come!!! Bet you're enjoying those country roads with your GTI.
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Oh Alan, please give me some tips, you obviously know something I don't about driving a manual?
Oh the joys of the internet. I didnt mean my comment to come across how you appear to have taken it (Im assuming your comment is sarcasim?)
A physical person can get more MPG by sticking it in a higher gear than what a VW computer will do (possibly leaving it a lower gear than it could be).
Yes Alan, a lot can get taken in a different light on a forum and i've only been on here for a few weeks and it does seem to be a very argumentative, sarcastic place if i'm honest. I've just been on sciroccocentral for 6 months and it was a great place for info, ideas and feedback sharing etc and very good natured, this place seems like a perpetual slagging match between certain individuals, hence why I thought you were being a c0k. Sorry if that wasn't the case but you can see what i mean if you scroll through the threads.
Anyway mate, i'd disagree, that VW computer will have you in top gear quicker than winking and tonight it was telling me to change up at 2000rpm on the way to Tescos! I've always used the full rev range but am a smooth and sensible driver most of the time and I don't seem to get getting great economy so far. I do however drive 'enthusiastically' on the right bit of road under the right circumstances.
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Ha ha ha 'enthusiastically' I love it. :laugh: :laugh:
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don't forget your mpg will increase the more miles you put on it.. its going to be running very tight for a few thousand miles yet!
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Why re mapp,why not just go for a more powerfull car ?,no such thing as a free lunch,if it was as simple as just changing the eprom why would`nt vw just do it ?
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Why re mapp,why not just go for a more powerfull car ?,no such thing as a free lunch,if it was as simple as just changing the eprom why would`nt vw just do it ?
I think it's widely recognized that most engines have hidden potential. I suppose manufacturers have to set cars at a safe limit so that if someone buys a car and redlines it constantly in very gear it still needs to stand up to it so they reign back the limits?
Why not buy a more powerful car? Why, this one has more than enough hidden away that can be unlocked for a small fee. There's only so many horses you want to throw through a FWD car though.
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Agreed but it will shorten the engines life,it has too its basic physics.
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Why re mapp,why not just go for a more powerfull car ?,no such thing as a free lunch,if it was as simple as just changing the eprom why would`nt vw just do it ?
Because they have to compromise. It has to meet the strictest EU emissions when running on the cheapest sh!ttiest russian petrol, filled with potatoes. They also expect the engine to do something silly like 2 million miles.
I can hazard a guess that you've never tried a remapped GTI? You'll get the point when that mid range torque kicks you back in your seat :wink:
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Why re mapp,why not just go for a more powerfull car ?,no such thing as a free lunch,if it was as simple as just changing the eprom why would`nt vw just do it ?
he he he well some people want to spice things up! And its no fun by just buying a more powerful car... :kiss: Where is the challenge? :drool: Damn, our petrol is made from potatoes? Damn again, my reply sounds so lame...
I think 210bhp was good enough a kick... I cant imagine an additional 50-60bhp....
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Please don`t get me wrong.i`m not having ago i can well imagine how much power you can unlock,just think vw would set it up so its well balanced.I could inderstand remapping a older car but i would never remap a new car,its just imo.
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Please don`t get me wrong.i`m not having ago i can well imagine how much power you can unlock,just think vw would set it up so its well balanced.I could inderstand remapping a older car but i would never remap a new car,its just imo.
Imagine the number of people that wouldn't buy the new GTI if they couldn't tweak it? I couldn't wait to do something to my GTI even if it was just change the headlamp bulbs.
Imagine also the multi billion £ aftermarket industry globally that would collapse if VW sent it out of the factory gates as good as it could be?
I think VW expect that people will modify their cars, tastefully or not!
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remapping is different to new wheels or go fast stripes :laugh:
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Maybe for some, I don't think a 20% odd increase in power is that dramatic though do you? It's not like I'm going to get a nitrous button on the dash! :grin:
Still, each to his own.
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true
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oh it reduces the life of the engines? I thought if the remapping is not more than 300bhp, its fine? I read somewhere that VAG builds the engines to cope up to 300bhps? So will it still cause engine damage?
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wear yes,damage probably not if done correctly,just remember no such thing as a free lunch
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Damn you are making me hungry with all this references to free lunches... damn a good curry would be good right now... :wink:
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now that will cause some wear :laugh:
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Why re mapp,why not just go for a more powerfull car ?,no such thing as a free lunch,if it was as simple as just changing the eprom why would`nt vw just do it ?
VW increased the power of 1.8T GTI's from 150 to 180bhp just by changing the map. If you build the hardware to cope with a given level of power it makes it easy and cheaper to use the same hardware for different applications but just by change the map...
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There honestly is nowt wrong with remapping a car as long as you look after it (which you should be doing anyway).
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Here's a link to a new GTI remap shown on youtube. Details of the remap are at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMWbkyujnAI
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Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is a re-map and what happens to the car whilst it is being done and obviously finally is it really worth it?
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A re-map just changes the ECU settings, there are no physical signs of having it done. It changes the turbo boost, fuel and ignition maps.
I would advise against asking the dealer when you pick the car up as it may blot your copybook when any warranty issues arise!!! If you're going to ask your dealer do it annonymously over the phone!
Exonian`s reply to my more or less enquiry on remapping....
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Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is a re-map and what happens to the car whilst it is being done and obviously finally is it really worth it?
I was just typing along reply and thought it simpler to let you read from here:
http://www.revotechnik.com/
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Thanx I get the gist now!! probably wont need the extra power but any increase in fuel economy has got to be good.
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probably wont need the extra power.
lol thats what I said . . . . . . . .
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
My Revo dealer (APD Dorset) reckons 260-270 should be achievable but I reckon anything around 250 will suit the GTI down to the ground.
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My Revo dealer (APD Dorset) reckons 260-270 should be achievable but I reckon anything around 250 will suit the GTI down to the ground.
You will NEVER get 260-270 with just a remap on a std GTI.
EDIT - Sorry my bad, forgot we was talking about the MK6.
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My Revo dealer (APD Dorset) reckons 260-270 should be achievable but I reckon anything around 250 will suit the GTI down to the ground.
You will NEVER get 260-270 with just a remap on a std GTI.
EDIT - Sorry my bad, forgot we was talking about the MK6.
The stage 1 revo Remapped Scirrocco was pushing out 266.
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^ Impressive :cool:
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^ Impressive :cool:
Well let's see. I'm not looking for headline figures anyway, anything around 250 will be fine for me. I'm getting the Select plus switch for a bit of variety too.
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i prob won't do it straight away, drive it as standard at first. but nice to know that the option is there :)
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i prob won't do it straight away, drive it as standard at first. but nice to know that the option is there :)
thats what I was thinking... but I know that once I get the car then get it remapped a few months later its going to mean changing my insurance to someone else again. So might just do it from new :evil:
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Just playing devils advocate a bit are you chaps not worried about invalidating your warranty should something happen to your engine?
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Wouldn't be worried about the mapping causing issues.. its in good hands with revo. Same as any engine tuning though, the most it will do is highlight any underlying existing faults.
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How much do you think a re-map could add to an insurance quote?
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How much do you think a re-map could add to an insurance quote?
It really varies mate, you have to ring around.
Had a call today to say that the car is going on the dyno Friday.
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well...... Gossa should now be enjoying the mk6 software :)
so you might like to see the results....
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn146/carlsaunders/dynos/MKVIBHP.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn146/carlsaunders/dynos/MKVINm.jpg)
:cool:
(mods i hope you don't mind!)
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Thats impressive. Look at the extra torques your getting, over a 1/3 more from 2500 revs through to 5000.
Why is the stock BHP hitting almost 250 ?
And how much does this cost ?
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So that about 275BHP?? Is yours a manual or a DSG? and does it make a big difference to getting it remapped?
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240BHP stock ???? Eh ????
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Thats impressive. Look at the extra torques your getting, over a 1/3 more from 2500 revs through to 5000.
Why is the stock BHP hitting almost 250 ?
And how much does this cost ?
stock the car did 235 BHP, all turbo VAG vehicles will do over quoted numbers on a chassis dynos..... the difference is represented either way!
the cost of the software is the same as all our other 2.0T software :)
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So that about 275BHP?? Is yours a manual or a DSG? and does it make a big difference to getting it remapped?
the car we dyno'd was manual but we have software for both DSG and manual cars! :) peak power will be the same as you can see the car makes peak power in both cases before the DSG shift point
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Cool, think i may get mine remapped, will need to wait till it arrives next month and see what its like for overtaking on all the country roads i drive everyday.
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Wooo Hoooo!!!! when can i be booked in Revocarl??? :evil:
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which rolling road was this done at?
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which roling road was this done at?
i'll get you a big wooden spoon for that can of worms :grin:
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which roling road was this done at?
i'll get you a big wooden spoon for that can of worms :grin:
no need - i've alread got one but a second one might come in handy :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
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whats the diff between 95, 98 and 100+
sounds like RON figures?!
presume different states of tune and potentially different cost? (though surely one chip is the same cost as another)
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
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i think i have worked it out. different tunes to suit the different petrols.
http://www.revotechnik.com/aboutRevo/news/scirocco2ltrtsi.aspx
note the gains on the scirocco seem even better!
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
dont know.. dont care. Either will they as they will get it back as stock :wink:
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
dont know.. dont care. Either will they as they will get it back as stock :wink:
be careful as a guy with a Seat Leon got caught out and ended up with no car and still having to pay for it!!
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Well I've been away on business for a few days (bike launch in Switz) so haven't even driven it yet!!!!!
Will collect tomorrow and post reaction tomorrow night!.
Cheers all.
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Looking forward to reading your report on the REVO gossa. Should really wake up the mid range power using the 98RON setting. A lot of people so far have commented on how quiet the engine is as standard, I've found in the past when I've re-mapped cars that it does make them a bit more growly (especially the Diesels) so be good to find out if the REVO makes it sound a bit more GTI like whilst still using the standard exhaust.
The increase looks about right in BHP terms but a bit surprised at the stock power, you must have run it in well!!!
In the two road tests of mk6s I've read so far, performance wise the new engine seems very strong so may well be a fair bit higher than the 210PS VW rate it as. Wonder if it's got a few tricks up its sleeve (?) being as it's based on the ED30 engine sans K04.
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
dont know.. dont care. Either will they as they will get it back as stock :wink:
EITHER WILL THEY ,YOU PISSED AND WRITING WITH SWOLLEN LUMPS OF MEAT OH MIGHTY ORACLE ?
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
dont know.. dont care. Either will they as they will get it back as stock :wink:
EITHER WILL THEY ,YOU PISSED AND WRITING WITH SWOLLEN LUMPS OF MEAT OH MIGHTY ORACLE ?
oracle?? funny dreams last night???
was typing in a hurry. meant that they wont know as at the end of the lease period the car will be going back to stock. Im quite sure they are happy for you to make changes aslong as it doesnt devalue the car.
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Called me an oracle in another thread.
Simonpolly:
(http://netwrok.us/stuff/dont-worry-sir-im-from-the-internet.jpg)
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An oracle is a person or agency considered to be a source of wise counsel or prophetic opinion, :laugh: You been paintballing again ?
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Oh, the temptation :grin: : http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1113
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Oh, the temptation :grin: : http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1113
It was my car that they used for the map, the car is now stunning. My previous car was a Scirocco and the Golf delivers this increased power with less torque steer than the standard Scirocco, the power delivery is infinitely usable and just faultless.
Highly recommended.
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Oh, the temptation :grin: : http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1113
It was my car that they used for the map, the car is now stunning. My previous car was a Scirocco and the Golf delivers this increased power with less torque steer than the standard Scirocco, the power delivery is infinitely usable and just faultless.
Highly recommended.
Much extra did it add to your insurance gossa ?
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Oh, the temptation :grin: : http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1113
It was my car that they used for the map, the car is now stunning. My previous car was a Scirocco and the Golf delivers this increased power with less torque steer than the standard Scirocco, the power delivery is infinitely usable and just faultless.
Highly recommended.
Much extra did it add to your insurance gossa ?
negligible
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Oh, the temptation :grin: : http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1113
It was my car that they used for the map, the car is now stunning. My previous car was a Scirocco and the Golf delivers this increased power with less torque steer than the standard Scirocco, the power delivery is infinitely usable and just faultless.
Highly recommended.
Much extra did it add to your insurance gossa ?
negligible
Your insurance company knows exactly what this mod if for, its for nothing but speed and power to them, yet they hardly touched your premium ? Who are you with ?
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Think I have finally got an insurance company sorted for my remap :evil:
Any idea on mobile Revo dealers near Leeds?? tried the locate a dealer function on their site and my most local dealers phone number doesnt work :undecided:
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Im Doncaster R32, Want to head up to a revo dealer in nottingham with me? Try and battle out some discount for doing us both
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http://www.theracingline.co.uk/ based in Halifax used to be a Revo dealer (not sure whether they still are as the website is under construction).
Its only 20 mins away from Leeds so it might be worth giving them a call.
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Think I have finally got an insurance company sorted for my remap :evil:
Any idea on mobile Revo dealers near Leeds?? tried the locate a dealer function on their site and my most local dealers phone number doesnt work :undecided:
Tried VW tuning place in Lincoln off the Revo site. Offers Revo remap for £500 + vat which came to like £575 or summin, Said if 2 of us went down he'd knock off the VAT for us. So £500 a piece. Asked him if he'de knock off anymore for a straight cashjob but no luck, Only wanted to do things legit though the books. PM me if ur interested or post of here.
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Think I have finally got an insurance company sorted for my remap :evil:
Any idea on mobile Revo dealers near Leeds?? tried the locate a dealer function on their site and my most local dealers phone number doesnt work :undecided:
Tried VW tuning place in Lincoln off the Revo site. Offers Revo remap for £500 + vat which came to like £575 or summin, Said if 2 of us went down he'd knock off the VAT for us. So £500 a piece. Asked him if he'de knock off anymore for a straight cashjob but no luck, Only wanted to do things legit though the books. PM me if ur interested or post of here.
Cheers pal :smiley: appreciate that and will let you know once I get the car :wink:
Spoke with Revo head office and they said the agent in Wakefield has not been in touch and uncontactable for a couple of weeks now. On a positive note, one of their reps is in leeds ths week tryng to get both the Skoda & VW dealers to become authorized agents for Revo. :evil:
Think this should be a good thing overall, a hopefully wont invalidate your warranty. Will let you know if there is any further news :nerd:
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Nearest REVO dealers to Leeds that have had good feedback on here are the one in Lincoln and the one in Preston. Not that near I'm afraid !! But worth travelling to get it done well :tongue: There is also one somewhere in the NE I think.
I very nearly got a REVO map for my ED 30, but could'nt get it insured for business use for a reasonable price (due to the occupation of the Mrs.) :cry:
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Nearest REVO dealers to Leeds that have had good feedback on here are the one in Lincoln and the one in Preston. Not that near I'm afraid !! But worth travelling to get it done well :tongue: There is also one somewhere in the NE I think.
I very nearly got a REVO map for my ED 30, but could'nt get it insured for business use for a reasonable price (due to the occupation of the Mrs.) :cry:
Cheers JonnyG!
Seem a little far to go just for a remap as i was probably wanting the trial first... im sure once I have the new car I will be well up for a longer journey though :evil:
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Nearest REVO dealers to Leeds that have had good feedback on here are the one in Lincoln and the one in Preston. Not that near I'm afraid !! But worth travelling to get it done well :tongue: There is also one somewhere in the NE I think.
I very nearly got a REVO map for my ED 30, but could'nt get it insured for business use for a reasonable price (due to the occupation of the Mrs.) :cry:
Cheers JonnyG!
Seem a little far to go just for a remap as i was probably wanting the trial first... im sure once I have the new car I will be well up for a longer journey though :evil:
Not sure of they still do the trial mate, check but I think it's a 30 day money back guarantee now.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
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I guess its just the gains we should be looking at then?
i would yeah - rolling roads are a lottery really :smiley:
thought so tbh. Thinking that around 260 sounds about right but gains of 50bhp or so seem consistent with other cars with the same engine. 250 is about where i want it to be at anyway.... last thing i want is to be slower than the current car :grin:
though isn't yours on lease? what's the T&Cs on that?
dont know.. dont care. Either will they as they will get it back as stock :wink:
As Rhyso stated, be very carefull. Whilst Revo is without doubt the best mainstream software for VAG cars, their 'stock mode' isn't actually the original 'genuine' map which was applied before opening the factory gates at Wolfsburg - but is actually just a 'representation' of what OEM software maps should perform like. This simply because Revo can not physically hold every OEM map for every version or revision of OEM ECU, and their subsequent official factory upgrades.
So whilst using the SPS to change it back to stock settings when it visits the stealer is wise, it is also vital to be upfront if they ask you if it has been remaped. :wink:
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In the two road tests of mk6s I've read so far, performance wise the new engine seems very strong so may well be a fair bit higher than the 210PS VW rate it as. Wonder if it's got a few tricks up its sleeve (?) being as it's based on the ED30 engine sans K04.
Nope - the Mk6 GTI uses the all-new Audi-developed valvelift TSI engine - and this was never used in the Ed30!
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Cheers for the advice TT as usual. But I have made sure my insurance are aware.. and will check with my broker too. Shouldnt be a problem though I wouldnt have thought. :smiley:
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Well those mods better be free as XDS is standard on the mk6? XDS isn't worth what? It's not a chargeable option?
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Regardless if thats true or not, thats not the point I was making. The 5 and 6 chassis is not the same.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
WRONG - the actuall Mk5 & Mk6 chassis are identical. As are the front and rear subframes, and firewall, and floor pan, and suspension mounts, and suspension geometery. Yes, the Mk6 can have the XDS, but this is an expensive £700 option, and is ONLY on the suspension. It has cock-all to do with the 'chassis'!!
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Regardless if thats true or not, thats not the point I was making. The 5 and 6 chassis is not the same.
Sorry, but you have been listening to way too much BS from the VW salesmen - because the chassis ARE identical!
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Regardless if thats true or not, thats not the point I was making. The 5 and 6 chassis is not the same.
Sorry, but you have been listening to way too much BS from the VW salesmen - because the chassis ARE identical!
I think your getting mixed up with XDS diff and ACC.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/safety/xds-(gti-only)
Note the part where it clearly tells you its only added to the new gti. They are clearly talking about the car's chassis and its clearly not the same as the mk5.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
WRONG - the actuall Mk5 & Mk6 chassis are identical. As are the front and rear subframes, and firewall, and floor pan, and suspension mounts, and suspension geometery. Yes, the Mk6 can have the XDS, but this is an expensive £700 option, and is ONLY on the suspension. It has cock-all to do with the 'chassis'!!
Your talking about ACC which is a £700 option, not XDS. It has everything to do with the chassis !
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and heres me going away for a week,
my moneys on T_T and rhyso
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I'll take you money chuff :wink:
affraid TT is wrong on this occasion... XDS is not a optional extra. Its std on the Gti, and probably confusing it slightly with the ACC optional extra. Although I imagine he is correct about the chassis being the same. :smiley:
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The chassis (platform) is exactly the same. XDS is, I believe, clever trickery with the brakes to emmulate a true mechanical diff. Its pretty clever and by all accounts pretty effective but as T_T states, cock all to do with the chassis :smiley:
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Regardless if thats true or not, thats not the point I was making. The 5 and 6 chassis is not the same.
Sorry, but you have been listening to way too much BS from the VW salesmen - because the chassis ARE identical!
I think your getting mixed up with XDS diff and ACC.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/safety/xds-(gti-only) (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/safety/xds-(gti-only)) - (added format tweak to link!)
Note the part where it clearly tells you its only added to the new gti. They are clearly talking about the car's chassis and its clearly not the same as the mk5.
Oh FFS - READ MY SIG!!!! I'm an independent technician (and a highly qualified and very highly regarded one too) - and NOT some fcuking marketing consultant paid to dress up a turd.
If you are adamant you think you know better, I suggest you read 'Hilliers Fundamentals of Motor Vehicle Technology' a formal academic textbook approved for all UK colleges and universities, including the UKs leading Automotive Engineering unis. And - based on what is taken as long-established FACTS, the Golf 6 and Golf 5 CHASSIS are identical. This is backed up by data from ETKA - Volkswagen Groups official parts catalogue.
Next, for the record, it was NOT me who confused XDS with ACC - read back through the thread, and don't try mis-quoting me!!! :rolleyes:
Onto the nitty-gritty. Yes, the Golf 6 GTI does have ACC and XDS (optional or standard is a moot point), which were NOT available on the GTI - but both these have absolutely jack schit to do with 'chassis'. So I'll state again, from my very learned point of view, which is backed up by every athoritative source - the 'chassis' on the Mk5 and Mk6 are IDENTICAL - end of!!!! :rolleyes:
Onto the specifics - ACC is simply an electronic add-on to an otherwise identical Mk5 suspension, with the only real hardware difference being the dampers (aka shock absorbers). Instead of having just normal suspension oil in them, they have a magnetic-type oil, which basically has iron filings in the oil - these respond to electric currents, which makes the fluid change its viscosity, and therefore its damping rate. In all other respects, the Mk6 suspension is identical to the Mk5 !!!!
And the XDS - this is NOT, as VWs website claims, a 'differential lock' - but is simply an extention to the software code of the ESP unit. The actual mechanical differential is just a conventional old skool 'open differential'. If you actually read page 12 of the printed GTI brochure (which is a legally representational document, unlike completely unregulated websites) - it clearly states that XDS is just an ESP 'tweak'. It is NOT some fancy real LSD like Audi use in the new B8 S4. :nerd: :smug:
Get over it, or am I pi$$ing into the wind! :rolleyes:
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I'll take you money chuff :wink:
Why do peeps keep on changing their handles? :undecided:
affraid TT is wrong on this occasion... XDS is not a optional extra. Its std on the Gti, and probably confusing it slightly with the ACC optional extra.
Although I imagine he is correct about the chassis being the same. :smiley:
Weather I got bogged down in what is/was option vs standard is a moot point :wink: - the crucial issue is that neither XDS or ACC are part of the 'chassis'. :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
:smug: :smug: :smug: :smug:
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The chassis (platform) is exactly the same.
Exactly, thanks. :afro: :smiley:
XDS is, I believe, clever trickery with the brakes to emmulate a true mechanical diff. Its pretty clever and by all accounts pretty effective but as T_T states, cock all to do with the chassis :smiley:
You nailed it. It just applies the brake to the inside front wheel when turning and accelerating, which is just part of the ESP, in exactly the same as EDL and traction control. But I don't agree that it is particularly 'clever' - because applying the brakes whilst accelerating is a tad contradictory. VW would have been far better to bung a true Torsen or Quaife in the front axle - but that costs money - whereas a 50 pence tweak in some software code in the ESP map costs peanuts (probably explains why this is a standard feature, not an option)! :rolleyes:
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wow TT your amazing :shocked: :laugh:
you just own everyone lol! epic.
Dan
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
XDS isnt worth it, aftermarket suspention mods will do a better job for far less money.
Regardless if thats true or not, thats not the point I was making. The 5 and 6 chassis is not the same.
Sorry, but you have been listening to way too much BS from the VW salesmen - because the chassis ARE identical!
I think your getting mixed up with XDS diff and ACC.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/safety/xds-(gti-only) (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/safety/xds-(gti-only)) - (added format tweak to link!)
Note the part where it clearly tells you its only added to the new gti. They are clearly talking about the car's chassis and its clearly not the same as the mk5.
Oh FFS - READ MY SIG!!!! I'm an independent technician (and a highly qualified and very highly regarded one too) - and NOT some fcuking marketing consultant paid to dress up a turd.
If you are adamant you think you know better, I suggest you read 'Hilliers Fundamentals of Motor Vehicle Technology' a formal academic textbook approved for all UK colleges and universities, including the UKs leading Automotive Engineering unis. And - based on what is taken as long-established FACTS, the Golf 6 and Golf 5 CHASSIS are identical. This is backed up by data from ETKA - Volkswagen Groups official parts catalogue.
Next, for the record, it was NOT me who confused XDS with ACC - read back through the thread, and don't try mis-quoting me!!! :rolleyes:
Onto the nitty-gritty. Yes, the Golf 6 GTI does have ACC and XDS (optional or standard is a moot point), which were NOT available on the GTI - but both these have absolutely jack schit to do with 'chassis'. So I'll state again, from my very learned point of view, which is backed up by every athoritative source - the 'chassis' on the Mk5 and Mk6 are IDENTICAL - end of!!!! :rolleyes:
Onto the specifics - ACC is simply an electronic add-on to an otherwise identical Mk5 suspension, with the only real hardware difference being the dampers (aka shock absorbers). Instead of having just normal suspension oil in them, they have a magnetic-type oil, which basically has iron filings in the oil - these respond to electric currents, which makes the fluid change its viscosity, and therefore its damping rate. In all other respects, the Mk6 suspension is identical to the Mk5 !!!!
And the XDS - this is NOT, as VWs website claims, a 'differential lock' - but is simply an extention to the software code of the ESP unit. The actual mechanical differential is just a conventional old skool 'open differential'. If you actually read page 12 of the printed GTI brochure (which is a legally representational document, unlike completely unregulated websites) - it clearly states that XDS is just an ESP 'tweak'. It is NOT some fancy real LSD like Audi use in the new B8 S4. :nerd: :smug:
Get over it, or am I pi$$ing into the wind! :rolleyes:
Your a technician yet you thought, and I quote 'Yes, the Mk6 can have the XDS, but this is an expensive £700 option'
:laugh: :laugh:
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
As has been pointed out, XDS (or ACC even) is not a function of the chassis. XDS is an evolution of the EDL system thats on the mk5 (so there is an argument that XDS in one form DID exist on the mk5 :wink:). All it is is a tweak to the ESP programming, no extra hardware there. ACC is a different type of shock absorber with the associated control systems and is categorically not part of the 'chassis'.
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I think there's a usable limit to a front wheel drive car, my car's gone off today, REVO are hoping for some decent gains so we'll see what the end of the week brings.
Very true. IMO the MK5 chassis can just about handle it so the MK6 should be more than up to the job of more power through the front.
But the Mk6 GTI IS the Mk5 chassis! :tongue:
mk6 chassis has XDS, mk5 chassis does not.
As has been pointed out, XDS (or ACC even) is not a function of the chassis. XDS is an evolution of the EDL system thats on the mk5 (so there is an argument that XDS in one form DID exist on the mk5 :wink:). All it is is a tweak to the ESP programming, no extra hardware there. ACC is a different type of shock absorber with the associated control systems and is categorically not part of the 'chassis'.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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told T-T was winning, at least on the chassis thing :grin:
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told T-T was winning, at least on the chassis thing :grin:
Where you been, you missed all the good bits. :grin: