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Offline Hurdy

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #40 on: 15 October 2008, 19:13 »
Just out of interest what kind of times were the mkv's posting??? Do you even get your times??  :smiley:

You aren't supposed to time your laps on the 'ring. Quite a few do, but I've been advised against it in the past.

Anyone know where you can get 'ring insurance and how much it is likely to be? I can't see my insurer stumping up if I punt it into the Armco :undecided:
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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #41 on: 15 October 2008, 19:26 »
Just out of interest what kind of times were the mkv's posting??? Do you even get your times??  :smiley:

You aren't supposed to time your laps on the 'ring. Quite a few do, but I've been advised against it in the past.

Anyone know where you can get 'ring insurance and how much it is likely to be? I can't see my insurer stumping up if I punt it into the Armco :undecided:

try and get a track day or 2 in before we go and just dont drive like a cock and know your limits and you will be fine and you have good brakes now :cool: so you should stop quicker

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #42 on: 15 October 2008, 19:28 »
Ring your insurer and ask if there are any exclusions on the continent, mention autobahns and toll roads.. and even get it in writing. After all its just a public toll road, and not a race track.

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #43 on: 15 October 2008, 19:35 »
Ring your insurer and ask if there are any exclusions on the continent, mention autobahns and toll roads.. and even get it in writing. After all its just a public toll road, and not a race track.

Yeah, but I'm with AF and I know from past threads on other forums that they have refused to pay up for the Nordschleife even though it is classed as a public toll road like you say.
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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #44 on: 15 October 2008, 19:37 »
Yeah.. they're one of the ones that actually list it as an exclusion :undecided:

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #45 on: 15 October 2008, 19:39 »
Didn't time my lap as:
*My first time on the Ring, don't know the track
*Way too busy, spend most of my time not following racing lines but staying to the right to give space to the fast guys.

I believe a GTI can do it a bit under 9 mins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmI57FGDVUw&feature=related

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #46 on: 15 October 2008, 21:38 »
Very nice report Bolle.
Mid week later in the day is less busy (less hungover too).

Your first lap will always be in your memory.
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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #47 on: 15 October 2008, 22:17 »
Well you guys all seem to be pretty set on a trip out there.  Can I just offer some suggestions and make some comments?

Don't time your laps - you're all talking about going for what are known as Tourist Fahren (TF) sessions - this is when the road is open as a public road to cars and bikes together.  As it is a public road, being caught timing will mean that your insurance is invalid, especially if you were found to be timing at the time of an incident. 

As someone has said German traffic laws apply.  In addition to this, as the place is run by Nurburgring GmbH (a private company) there are what are often described as Hausrecht - house rules.  This means they top up the laws with their own rules - no video or stills cameras in cars during TF.  Get caught filming, timing, or get caught driving like a tosser and you can be banned, maybe for a day, a week, a season, or even life-time.

There is an EU accord for motor insurance across Europe.  In every country in the EU your UK insurance provides the minimum level of cover required to drive in that country.  This means you have third party insurance cover on your standard UK insurance.

Track day insurance cannot be bought to cover TF sessions - it's an open road, not a track.

PLEASE don't call your insurer and ask 'am I insured on the Nurburgring?'.  The answer WILL be 'no'.  The more people ask, the more exclusions will be included and the more difficult it will be to get insurance to drive there.  Check your policy document (even if you're with Flux - it's another broker who thinks they have blanket exclusions). 

Claims that you have heard being refused are for damage to the driven car.  Damage to Armco and other cars IS covered, provided there are no written exclusions in your policy document.

I've stayed at the Dorint, personally I think it's a soulless Euro-bland hotel.  There are far more friendly hotels where you can stay, which are cheaper and you will enjoy far more of the spirit of the 'ring.

I've posted a bit more information here.

Oh and this is a great photo:



....if you want everyone to know you're a big girl who was too scared to drive one of the most thrilling and unique parts of the 'ring (the Karussell).

And of COURSE it's possible to drive the 'ring in under 9 minutes in a Golf.  Here's a video of someone doing an 08:50 in a Golf MKII 16V, of course.
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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #48 on: 15 October 2008, 22:36 »
Oh and this is a great photo:



....if you want everyone to know you're a big girl who was too scared to drive one of the most thrilling and unique parts of the 'ring (the Karussell).

Yep you're absolutely right! I chickened out there big time.... first time out, very busy, company car etc etc. :wink:

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Re: My first visit and drive of the Nordschleife
« Reply #49 on: 16 October 2008, 06:05 »
I posted a video on here of my lap.Even with the Porsche cup champion with me I was scared stiff.Didnt help seeing a couple of accidents.

If you have 12+ mins click below


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