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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #40 on: 10 October 2008, 15:49 »
got to agree they look the dogs!!! Looked great an Gaz'z car... one of my faves RIP :cool:

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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #41 on: 10 October 2008, 18:12 »
Does it have noticeably better traction than the GTi?
well the r32 is AWD whilst the gti is just FWD so yes.

No it is not.  The R32 has a "part time" on-demand 4wd.  Most of the time, it just operates as a front wheel drive - with a heavy asthmatic engine well forward of the front axle.!
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #42 on: 10 October 2008, 18:16 »
Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...

I am sorry, but that just aint true.  The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this.  At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit.  The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #43 on: 10 October 2008, 18:27 »
got to agree they look the dogs!!! Looked great an Gaz'z car... one of my faves RIP :cool:

Thanx I'm touched :cry:
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #44 on: 10 October 2008, 18:28 »
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not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:

100% correct.

More like 10% correct. It works on a constant 90/10 distribution and sends torque to the rear based on rotational differences front->rear. It doesn't have to be 'slip' :wink:

No it dont.  You been reading too much crap from the fantasists at Haldex Traction.

For the nity-grity detail, for all standard Haldex controlers (and not aftermarket ones like a Gen2), the Haldex clutch is operated with a base setting of 5% clamping force (this is to keep the oil warm, as cold oil will shear the friction linings off the clutch plates).  Therefore, the default torque distribution, front to rear is 97.5% front to 2.5% rear.  The rears are NOT pre-emptively engaged - the rear axle is only sent more drive AFTER the electronics controlling the clutch has sensed that the front wheels are rotating faster than the rears - ie wheelspin.  However, this is not a "finite" measurement, because the Haldex controller needs to allow for different axle speeds when cornering with equal grip - which is why permanent 4wd vehicles need a centre differential, and which the Haldex is not!

There is only ONE car in the VAG mainstream range which uses Haldex in a pre-emptive mode, and that is the Audi R8.  The Veyron also uses pre-emptive engagement, but that is because both axles have a Haldex, and the leviathon wouldn't get off the line otherwise.
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #45 on: 10 October 2008, 18:35 »
I've since had the Haldex Controller fitted and in race mode (70% RWD) understeer is GONE, turn in is sharper and it's feels like it's on bloody rails!!

That can NOT happen.  Someone being feeding you fairytale physics.  The only time a Haldex front engined car can get more than 50% drive to the rear is if the front axle driveshafts are removed.  :rolleyes:
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #46 on: 10 October 2008, 19:04 »
Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...

I am sorry, but that just aint true.  The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this.  At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit.  The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
So are you saying the gti is a better handling car than the r32 :huh:
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #47 on: 10 October 2008, 20:58 »
Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...

I am sorry, but that just aint true.  The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this.  At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit.  The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
So are you saying the gti is a better handling car than the r32 :huh:

Yup, whenever I drive them back to back, the GTI is far better in the handling department.  This has also been repeatedly confirmed by various mags and TV progs.
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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #48 on: 10 October 2008, 21:00 »
I'd love to try a superchanrged R32 with the improved haldex installed  :cool:

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Re: What now for the R32.....
« Reply #49 on: 10 October 2008, 21:20 »
Wow T_T, I've never known someone spew so much bollux in all my life. :rolleyes: