Honest responses required please!!

[chungster]

sorry chungster , std GTI it is.
Yep I agree the torque figures are superb , it just looks pegged a bit at higher rpm for some reason.
And with those figures , I bet it gives you an enormous shove at low rpm 

yeah i can feel the top end is a bit "dead" but i just change gear and stay in the "zone" lol.

enormous shove...1st / 2nd / sometimes 3rd the TC light will flash!

hence i had to get a Sachs uprated clutch put in too to handle it. the standard one was slipping a bit everytime loud pedal got pushed down! but its good fun tho! 

[keyser]

I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips.  It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach.  They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp.  In truth you have not come close.  Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.

Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255.  Again, neither came close.  The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be.  I would be asking serious questions from them as well.  RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability.  As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate.  But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.

[RedRobin]

I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips.  It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach.  They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp.  In truth you have not come close.  Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.

Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255.  Again, neither came close.  The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be.  I would be asking serious questions from them as well.  RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability.  As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate.  But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.

....Putting driveability aside (I think we are all agreed on that), my Stage2 plot was simply not up to expectations by any stretch of the imagination. However, in my case there are a number of possible reasons : -

1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.

2 - My battery had been disconnected at VWR for considerable time (I need to check this). This can cause a reset to stock but I did Revo switch to Performance.

3 - I may not have switched properly or it could be wrongly loaded - Revo can check this.

All this demonstrates a few things : -

1 - A dyno run is an excellent opportunity to check your engine's health - At least my curves were smooth (as Mae West might have said).

2 - Being with Revo (and not Superchips), I have total peace of mind - Revo HQ will sort out any problems without any arguments whatsoever, in fact quite the contrary! JKM will further assist if called upon to do so.

If I have to quote a number, my expectation from Revo Stage2 is around 260 bhp on a good day.

[telboy]

....

Good to meet you, Tony Terry

As everyone has said - Polite but firm - You get more with honey than you do with vinegar! (Ask any female).

IIRC, your plots were very lumpy with a big dip. I'm no expert but I think that's what shows something as wrong, not just max numbers.

As everyone knows, my Revo Stage2 was well down from expectations but at least the curves were all smooth and in correct proportion to each other. I made the mistake of letting her idle for at least 15 minutes before rolling - Duh!! But as I posted elsewhere, I'm confident in Revo and know they'll sort it out - I don't have to think how I should approach them because I know they'll want to get it right of their own accord without prompting. I'm seeing the Revo guys at Castle Combe next weekend anyway.

What exhaust do you have?

Standard Exhaust although Jim at JKM did say that once returned to standard the plot after a few hundred miles would be as smooth as you like?

He thought my standard graph was right on the money and only while on Bluefin did it seem to go mad

I'll be there in the morning so will have a chat with the tech team and see what they reckon, I wonder if they'll rolling road it there to see what they make???Not even sure they have a rolling road

I will be firm but fair, they have a lot to answer for

I will of course keep you all posted!

It's still under a year old and I'm not sure I'd get a refund now and rest assured, Revo @ JKM will be my next purchase if this doesn't work!!

[182_blue]

....

Good to meet you, Tony Terry

As everyone has said - Polite but firm - You get more with honey than you do with vinegar! (Ask any female).

IIRC, your plots were very lumpy with a big dip. I'm no expert but I think that's what shows something as wrong, not just max numbers.

As everyone knows, my Revo Stage2 was well down from expectations but at least the curves were all smooth and in correct proportion to each other. I made the mistake of letting her idle for at least 15 minutes before rolling - Duh!! But as I posted elsewhere, I'm confident in Revo and know they'll sort it out - I don't have to think how I should approach them because I know they'll want to get it right of their own accord without prompting. I'm seeing the Revo guys at Castle Combe next weekend anyway.

What exhaust do you have?

Standard Exhaust although Jim at JKM did say that once returned to standard the plot after a few hundred miles would be as smooth as you like?

He thought my standard graph was right on the money and only while on Bluefin did it seem to go mad

I'll be there in the morning so will have a chat with the tech team and see what they reckon, I wonder if they'll rolling road it there to see what they make???Not even sure they have a rolling road

I will be firm but fair, they have a lot to answer for

I will of course keep you all posted!

It's still under a year old and I'm not sure I'd get a refund now and rest assured, Revo @ JKM will be my next purchase if this doesn't work!!

yeh, do let us know mate, im not sure they will give your money back either, but would be good if they do

[Saint Steve]

terry, anychance you could post your graphs for us please mate, and anyone else who has a ED30 or GTi that hasnt done so, could they do the same. I

wanna see some more torque curves!  

[182_blue]

one other thing could you ask them how much it is to get the bluefin reset so it could be resold if they wont refund it?

[chungster]

Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255.  Again, neither came close.  The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be.  I would be asking serious questions from them as well.  RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability.  As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate.  But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.

i think the advertising is always "potential increase of up to xx bhp" not ALWAYS 55bhp. the graph they post up on their website is of just one situation to prove it "can" give an increase of 55bhp on a given RR. every car is different, and on RR's many things can affect the bhp figure, like tyre pressure (which JKM didn't check for consistency on all cars)

My torque graph looks mighty similar to the one on REVO's site however. And as bhp is just torque x speed, i'm not too fussed about overall bhp figures.

[keyser]

I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips.  It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach.  They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp.  In truth you have not come close.  Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.

Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255.  Again, neither came close.  The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be.  I would be asking serious questions from them as well.  RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability.  As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate.  But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.

....Putting driveability aside (I think we are all agreed on that), my Stage2 plot was simply not up to expectations by any stretch of the imagination. However, in my case there are a number of possible reasons : -

1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.

2 - My battery had been disconnected at VWR for considerable time (I need to check this). This can cause a reset to stock but I did Revo switch to Performance.

3 - I may not have switched properly or it could be wrongly loaded - Revo can check this.

All this demonstrates a few things : -

1 - A dyno run is an excellent opportunity to check your engine's health - At least my curves were smooth (as Mae West might have said).

2 - Being with Revo (and not Superchips), I have total peace of mind - Revo HQ will sort out any problems without any arguments whatsoever, in fact quite the contrary! JKM will further assist if called upon to do so.

If I have to quote a number, my expectation from Revo Stage2 is around 260 bhp on a good day.

But chungster had a similar difference in his claim on the revo map.     I think what we need are more dyno runs on revo mapped cars to be sure.  It just makes me wonder if any of the revo maps have acheived close to what they claim.  Keep us posted on their response.  Hopefully they will fix the problem and pay for another dyno run.

[stealthwolf]

1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.

I was concerned my engine wouldn't be up to temp so I went and sat in the car when WhiteGTI put his on the rollers, and started to warm up the engine (kept it at around 2k revs until reached optimum temp) and then left it idling until I went on, which is about two and a half cars or so. Didn't appear to have any negative effect: