Honest responses required please!!

[RedRobin]

Out of interest, what do REVO claim their stage 1 remap should make ?

....I had Revo Stage1 and I actually don't know! Furthermore I wasn't that interested - It's academic - What I did want and get is driveability and reliability and aftersales support.

Being new to the GTI (and the VW world in general) I'm keeping a keen interest on re-map's, etc as it might be something I want to consider.  If the results coming in aren't as expected then maybe I'll avoid doing it at all.  I appreciate that it's not all about the final figure but how it makes the car drive over the entire rev-range.  At the same time though, you want to see that you are getting what you are expecting when you pay your money.

....Test drive a Revo'd car and see how much you still care about the numbers. Yes, it's an indication. I get entirely different max bhp numbers every time I go on the same rolling-road! But the curves are good and she drives well and certainly shifts.

I spent about a year researching which remap before deciding Revo at 23k miles.

[182_blue]

Here's another dyno plot to help the discussion!!

what does that have, or which model etc ?

[Saint Steve]

Just looking at chunkster's and robins remapped GTi's, the initial torque from pull off seems to be quite fearce, and then if you look at the torque curve, from around 4000rpm, it drops away quite alot, not giving as much of a Pulling feeling from when you first accelerate.Whereas the K04 in the ed30 remap, seems to give the same 250lbs ft of thrust and continues that feeling of pull right up to the red line, whereas again in standard, you get the same 250Lbs ft of thrust and then it only slowly backs off rather then dropping right off like what happens in a moddified k03, Ie the pull in your seat that you get remains constant rather then an initial serge. When i went out in GTijames Bluefin ed30, you got that feeling of constant pull, (and the great sounding Milltek aswell!)..

i think WhiteGTi's curve is a perfect example of continual lower constant thrust you get from a standard GTi, but when you map a K03 you get the thrust of around 250 lbs feet(ed30), but then drops away quite alot from 4500 onwards whereas the ed30 map holds this thrust to the redline.

[Soundlab]

Thanks for the positive responses...I'm not discounting it, just after feedback from people who've been there and done it.

My Skyline was remapped and it made a HUGE difference, both in the figures and the way the car felt on the road, so I totally appreciate that it's not just about the numbers.  I'm also very aware that dyno's tend to read differently and I therefore tend to stick to one dyno and compare my results each time rather than against others who've used different dyno's.

I'd love to go out in a REVO stage 1 GTI just to see how different it feels.

Cheers,
Daz

[chungster]

@182_blue....its a standard GTI with a Revo map. Nowt else.

@ Phil....the pull from first acceleration is FIERCE alright, but that's just how Revo maps are. 21psi boost spike and dropping off. 300lb/ft of torque between 3k and 3.5k rpm. This "punch" makes it "feel fast" and in all intents and purposes, it is fast.

but as you correctly point out this is where the ED30's K04 comes into its own versus the K03s. The ED30's can sustain the torque further up the rev range, whilst the K03s starts going out of puff quite fast.

so rather than holding onto a gear longer in a k04 car, you have to change gear bit earlier on a k03 car to make use of where the big dollop of torque is.

[john_o]

afaik from the other thread , chungsters is man ed30 stage 1 revo

whats clear from chungsters plot is something is def wrong (no sh*t!) , the power flatlines from 4500 rpm onwards.
RR's plot is a bit the same.
The way the plots are displayed may skew it somewhat but even so, it 'looks' wrong. most other plots (inc some of the others from the JKM rr day) show the constant linear increase as revs rise (expected), the steepness of the angle may change but it should still go up!
Of note there is a changeover point here seen in other plots (Ive also seen it on my Awesome plots) at ~4500rpm , is this the variable valve timing? or it could just be the cars ECU has hit a limit that wont allow more fuel/ign etc

as far as superchips ar concerned , I would point you to a recent S3 day on audi-sport.net , the figures told the same story......

[chungster]

afaik from the other thread , chungsters is man ed30 stage 1 revo

whats clear from chungsters plot is something is def wrong (no sh*t!) , the power flatlines from 4500 rpm onwards.
RR's plot is a bit the same.
The way the plots are displayed may skew it somewhat but even so, it 'looks' wrong. most other plots (inc some of the others from the JKM rr day) show the constant linear increase as revs rise (expected), the steepness of the angle may change but it should still go up!
Of note there is a changeover point here seen in other plots (Ive also seen it on my Awesome plots) at ~4500rpm , is this the variable valve timing? or it could just be the cars ECU has hit a limit that wont allow more fuel/ign etc

as far as superchips ar concerned , I would point you to a recent S3 day on audi-sport.net , the figures told the same story......

nope mine ain't an ED30......its the run of the mill 200ps version! 

but yes a friend also said the power flatlining from 4.5k rpm was a bit strange and could point to a failing MAF.
However, the A/F ratio didn't change at all with no drop offs so that contradicts the MAF theory.

The fact it hit REVO's claimed 300 lb/ft is good tho, as it means it hit max boost. The graph is smooth so no real complaints on it.

[JonnyG]

Seems like the REVO remap gives the biggest gains in torque rather than Bhp

Chungster's low down torque looks pretty good to me for a standard GTI 

Back on topic, with regard to Superchips, IGGU had the same dilemna with his Bluefinned S3 after a RR day :

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=57349&highlight=Prosport

It's a long thread but seems to concur with what RR says, at the end of the day it's how it drives on the road that's important, not just what the measured peak power at 6200rpm is 

[john_o]

sorry chungster , std GTI it is.
Yep I agree the torque figures are superb , it just looks pegged a bit at higher rpm for some reason.
And with those figures , I bet it gives you an enormous shove at low rpm 

[Vtec Abuser]

Beat me to it Jonny.. Iggu's since binned Bluefin off and now has Revo..  
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=60133&highlight=revo

He's a happy man now to say the least..