WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....

[RedRobin]

Sorry, that's poor wording on my part, it won't be detrimental.

What I mean is you'll not really notice much extra benefit in long sweepers, as you won't be turning the wheel enough to generate the dynamic effect - it comes into its own in the twisties, where you need it. Coupled with that LSD of yours, it'll be ace!

....Goodee!!

Thanks, Tony . There's all sorts of roads in my neck of the woods - Tight twisties and long sweepers and up and down hills.

[Organisys]

Interesting stuff.

Where is the compromise here though, I mean to the average driver, to the ride or handling?
Why wouldn't VW have set up the suspension geometry like this in the first place?

Just curious?

 

[tony_danza]

Interesting stuff.

Where is the compromise here though, I mean to the average driver, to the ride or handling?
Why wouldn't VW have set up the suspension geometry like this in the first place?

Just curious?

 

The compromise if you're running a lot of degree of caster is heavier steering and the nose will feel a bit like it's diving - but this kit is way off those sort of settings.

I don't know why they don't do it from scratch, but cars with adjustable caster tend to be serious kit like Porkers. Maybe VW don't deem it necessary for the average joe's motors or it's easier to set it vertical than bother doing the R&D to set it up right with caster?

[Organisys]

I agree.

I also guess that warning the average driver with understeer on tight bends is of course in VW's interest.

would be intesting to do a before and after on track, I wonder how the car would perform under trail braking and a little lift off mid bend.

[RedRobin]

Interesting stuff.

Where is the compromise here though, I mean to the average driver, to the ride or handling?
Why wouldn't VW have set up the suspension geometry like this in the first place?

Just curious?

 

The compromise if you're running a lot of degree of caster is heavier steering and the nose will feel a bit like it's diving - but this kit is way off those sort of settings.

I don't know why they don't do it from scratch, but cars with adjustable caster tend to be serious kit like Porkers. Maybe VW don't deem it necessary for the average joe's motors or it's easier to set it vertical than bother doing the R&D to set it up right with caster?

....Also, I don't think that VW have the same 'performance enthusiast' attitude which we have. Just think of all the Mk5 GTI drivers you see on the road who don't acknowledge you - Their GTI is just another new car as far as they are concerned. Mind you, the average English person is incredibly reserved! I don't know the percentage but I think we are a minority and hence not such an important sector of the market as they see it.

Every little such improvement VW add would add to their costs and hence reduce their market competitiveness. I would prefer that VW were more performance orientated but look at their history - Both the GTI and R32 have been born out of non-mainstream and almost independent efforts by only a few people within VW.

[tony_danza]

I agree.

I also guess that warning the average driver with understeer on tight bends is of course in VW's interest.

would be intesting to do a before and after on track, I wonder how the car would perform under trail braking and a little lift off mid bend.

Deffo - boring safety understeer = no lawsuits. The GTI sells to such a broad church, they have to go straight down the middle, where as something like a hot Megane will have a much narrower market and they can go a little more foccused towards that.

Sadly I didn't do a "before" with mine and I'd never explore those type of limits on the road - but I did the Club GTI sprint day afterwards and can confirm it now has cracking 'lift off and turn in' charateristics without being too tail happy. 

[Organisys]

True enough Robin.

I think the number of enthusiasts is growing though. Be interesting to see what happens with the Mk6 and the 'GTI plus' rumour.

Renault Megane (R26?), Focus RS etc, prove there is demand there I think?

 

[tony_danza]

Well even the "normal" GTI is getting an electronic LSD and the adaptive suspension - so that's got to be a sign you're right!!

[Egbutt Wash]

I bet they have not improved the steering feel of the GTI in the Mk6, which is just average in the Mk5.

What has happened to good linear steering with lots of road feedback?  VW need to employ someone (probably an Italian) to put some sparkle into their dull steering.

[john_o]

update :
car booked into Awesome for Wed this week :
1. WALKit to be fitted (their first kit apparently!)
2. geometry check (they only do road or track settings)
3. basic car check
4. sort the  'flappy' engine checked out (dogbone fitted + maybe other eng mounts replaced/improved)

If all that goes OK then the way is cleared for some other 'toys'