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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #50 on: 07 October 2008, 12:45 »
Hey that Tony, thanks for the detailed heads up its much appreciated.
Now that your a registered user  :laugh: i hope you will be coming over from the dark side to visit here more often.  :wink:

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #51 on: 10 October 2008, 18:40 »




....Ready and waiting for installation when VWR tweak my suspension with KW's.
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #52 on: 10 October 2008, 19:19 »
Is this kit designed to stop the rear wheel cocking up as it tends to do at high speed cornering???.

TC, you have trackday suspention fitted to yours?


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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #53 on: 10 October 2008, 19:22 »
No, in very simple terms it gives the effect of pushing the inside wheel down to minimise wheel spin and gives camber to the outside one to increase its 'footprint'. Mine still picks up a rear  :grin:
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #54 on: 10 October 2008, 19:25 »
Is this kit designed to stop the rear wheel cocking up as it tends to do at high speed cornering???.

TC, you have trackday suspention fitted to yours?


I am not to sure what your asking there Phil.  :undecided:


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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #55 on: 10 October 2008, 19:30 »
Sorry TC, i thought these go well with lowered suspention,(coilovers) but just realised thats what your postie bought you today (dumbass)  :smiley:

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #56 on: 10 October 2008, 20:40 »
No, in very simple terms it gives the effect of pushing the inside wheel down to minimise wheel spin and gives camber to the outside one to increase its 'footprint'.

So if I understand this correctly, the actual "arc" of the suspension travel is modified - and this keeps a more constant camber angle during body roll?

Mine still picks up a rear  :grin:

But that is OK - because the rears aint doing too much work, especially the inside rear.  :wink:  :smiley:
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #57 on: 11 October 2008, 10:55 »
I'm not sure what you mean by "arc", but I think you mean the steering axis?

Image the top of the strut, the centre of the hub and the point where the tyre contacts the surface - most cars will have a vertical line through this and this is the steering axis. The kit creates a postive axis by moving the hub forwards so the vertical line is now an angle, so the steering axis is slightly in front of the point where the tyre comes into contact with the surface. This creates caster, so the wheel follows the strut like a shopping trolley's does. What it also does is give dynamic camber, positive on the inside wheel and negative on the outside wheel, so it is true in a straight line and the more you turn the wheel, the more camber you get.. so not so useful in fast sweepeing bends, but very useful slow tight ones because of the 'footprint' being bigger and the 'effective' downward force on the inside wheel.

A way to think about it, imagine a unicycle, you turn it and it spins on the wheel through a vertical axis and achieves no camber.. now imagine a chopper with long forks, you turn the handle bars and it creates a lot of camber, but runs none in a straight line.

It can have a negative effect in extremes, in that it can make steering harder and because some of the lateral force is taken from the struts, the suspension actually works better... this can however be seen as "dive" by some. But thankfully on a MacPherson strut it's quite difficult to go too far. Someone also explained to me that go-karts run a lot of caster, so when you sit on them and turn the steering wheel it'll go on 3 wheels as it pushes the inside one down, but that's also why they have a very heavy steering action. Obviously a car won't do this as it has suspension travel and a lot more weight! - but a good visualisation of its effect.

Does that help?
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #58 on: 12 October 2008, 18:34 »
What it also does is give dynamic camber, positive on the inside wheel and negative on the outside wheel, so it is true in a straight line and the more you turn the wheel, the more camber you get.. so not so useful in fast sweeping bends, but very useful slow tight ones because of the 'footprint' being bigger and the 'effective' downward force on the inside wheel.


....But hopefully in the case of the Mk5 GTI platform the "not so useful in fast sweeping bends" is not detrimental. I find that the Quaife ATB diff is especially effective in fast sweeping bends and don't want to lose what I've recently gained.
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #59 on: 13 October 2008, 09:38 »
Sorry, that's poor wording on my part, it won't be detrimental.

What I mean is you'll not really notice much extra benefit in long sweepers, as you won't be turning the wheel enough to generate the dynamic effect - it comes into its own in the twisties, where you need it. Coupled with that LSD of yours, it'll be ace!