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Offline SKAVIA

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #10 on: 01 October 2008, 13:36 »
Cheers Red!
I think I will need all the other bits such as Dog-bone insert and ARBs before I go for this kit.
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #11 on: 01 October 2008, 13:43 »
Cheers Red!
I think I will need all the other bits such as Dog-bone insert and ARBs before I go for this kit.
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #12 on: 01 October 2008, 18:09 »
Just had the Morego negative camer wishbones removed, they claim to be for both manual and DSG but made a knocking noise on my DSG, also wore a 2" bald patch on the inside of the tyre in just 4 weeks (with one track day).

The turn in and grip in corners is much improved though, you just have to live with desecrating the rubber resorces.




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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #13 on: 01 October 2008, 18:43 »
phew , TT agrees its a good mod  :grin:

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The last time I applied castor changes was with adjustable arms on a old mini  :shocked:

Showing your age, or just an enthusiast?  :smiley:

Castor effects self centering effort , am I safe to assume it will make the steering heavier in the off centre position?

Pedant mode - The effect of castor is only felt during forward motion.  "Swivel axis inclination" (the modern term for "king pin inclination" or KPI), works with the mass of the vehicle to provide a "static" self-centering effect, and this is then assisted by the castor.

Increases in castor angles will simply make the self-centering effect more pronounced, and may be felt as heavier steering, though with the amounts from the Whiteline kit, I doubt it would be that noticeable at the steering wheel.

Dependent on the overall "dynamic" geometery, increases in castor can also increase the handling effects of the inner front roadwheels during hard cornering, though the only adverse affect is on bumpy corners, which will then give more "feedback" through the steering wheel - again, shouldn't be a problem with the small increases.

EDIT: on Reds corrections!  :tongue:  :smiley:
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #14 on: 01 October 2008, 18:47 »
Cheers Red!
I think I will need all the other bits such as Dog-bone insert and ARBs before I go for this kit.
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Not necessarily.  This anti-lift kit will actually keep the front end tracking far more efficiently than the increase in roll stiffness proposed by uprated ARBs.

And an uprated dog bone will do fcuk all for improving cornering handling.  :nerd:
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #15 on: 01 October 2008, 18:50 »
Just had the Morego negative camer wishbones removed, they claim to be for both manual and DSG but made a knocking noise on my DSG, also wore a 2" bald patch on the inside of the tyre in just 4 weeks (with one track day).

The turn in and grip in corners is much improved though, you just have to live with desecrating the rubber resorces.

Interesting comments, thanks.  :smiley:

Increasing negative camber angles is always seen as a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" approach - whilst it does provide good improvements in cornering handling, its negative effects far outweigh any benefits on a road car.
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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #16 on: 01 October 2008, 18:55 »
Just had the Morego negative camer wishbones removed, they claim to be for both manual and DSG but made a knocking noise on my DSG, also wore a 2" bald patch on the inside of the tyre in just 4 weeks (with one track day).

The turn in and grip in corners is much improved though, you just have to live with desecrating the rubber resorces.

....Although it costs more, I would venture to suggest that a 'limited slip diff' is more effective. And if you add the Whiteline AntiLift Kit as well...............

Your Morego wishbone experience matches my friend's - Goodyear Assymetrics rendered illegal but with loads of centre tread remaining - Not what you want. He's using KW V3's and probably his settings didn't help.

Off-topic but I think that a friend of yours - 'invalid'd' due to pushbike accident(?) - Was helped out by Mark at VWR and is enjoying racing a Mk5 GTI.

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #17 on: 01 October 2008, 18:58 »
Just had the Morego negative camer wishbones removed, they claim to be for both manual and DSG but made a knocking noise on my DSG, also wore a 2" bald patch on the inside of the tyre in just 4 weeks (with one track day).

The turn in and grip in corners is much improved though, you just have to live with desecrating the rubber resorces.

Interesting comments, thanks.  :smiley:

Increasing negative camber angles is always seen as a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" approach - whilst it does provide good improvements in cornering handling, its negative effects far outweigh any benefits on a road car.

Fortunately due to the knocking problem they replaced them with the originals and gave me a refund, the WALK Kits look interesting, I'll need some one to give me an Idiots Guide To..... how they work.

« Last Edit: 01 October 2008, 19:02 by Neil M »

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #18 on: 01 October 2008, 19:02 »
Pedant mode ....................
Dependent on the overall "dynamic" geometery, increases in castor can also increase the handling effects of the inner front roadwheels during hard cornering, though the only adverse affect is on bumpy corners, which will then give more "feedback" through the steering wheel - again, should be a problem with the small increases.

....My turn to be in pedant mode  :grin: - I think you probably meant to write: "shouldn't be a problem"

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Re: WhitelineAntiLiftKit this way ....
« Reply #19 on: 01 October 2008, 19:05 »
Oh, and I reckon the Whiteline kit will really add to the benefit of the Quaife ATB diff, because it is hard cornering where the Whiteline anti-lift kit has been specifically designed for.  :wink:   :cool:

....Encouraged by your post, I've just gone and ordered the Whiteline AntiLift Kit. Offered with discount at the moment too.
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