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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #20 on: 30 September 2008, 12:39 »
My Michelin Pilot Primacy's are pretty good, an have read that the Michelin Pilot Sports are good too. Costco (if you are a member or know someone who is) are doing the Pilot Sports for £116 each.

Pilot Primacys are NOT suited to the GTI, or any hot hatch or performance car.  They are specifically designed for large luxury limos, such as the Merc E and S classes, Audi A8, VW Phaeton, etc.

Oh man, really? These are what came with the car from the dealership. It was a brand new factory build. I'm going to change them as soon as I have the cash. Cheers for the heads up T_T. Always appreciate the advice you give.  :smiley:

Are you sure that someone at the stealers didn't swap them?  Because I have never heard of any GTIs/Ed30/R32s leaving the factory with Primacys on them?  Does the age code on the tyre match the actual build date of the car?

Anyway - Primacy: http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/auto-utilitaires/avantages/20070312100251.html

Mich Pilot Exalto PE2 (which is the "starting point" tyre for hot hatches): http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=20060301144538

And PS2 which is the daddy: http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=20060215151339

Ohhh - I've just noticed that Michelin web team have listened to and acted upon my recent criticism! :afro:
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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #21 on: 30 September 2008, 12:42 »


Which type of Michelin?  If they are the Pilot Exalto PE2, then the Pilot Sport PE2 would be considerably better....



TT, what is wrong with Exalto? I have them  :undecided:

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #22 on: 30 September 2008, 12:57 »
Ben defintly go for the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric one of the best tyres if not the best and i'm used Michelin Sport cups !

But the Mich Pilot Sport Cups are a semi-slick tyre, and are NOT suitable for everyday road use.  Have a prang on the road, with the slightest amount of wet ("mildly moist" in TopGear speak), and you will probably be prosecuted by the old bill, and your insurance will be invalid.

And there is massive criticism, along with equal dollops of praise for the Eagle F1 Asymmetrics - so whilst they may be good, they also have some serious flaws, which Goodyear themselves have been advised of!  I really don't know how peeps can recommend a product which is known to have faults.

Failing that get Michelin PS2's or the Bridgestone equivalent.

Bridgestones are also poor, and these too have been complained about on this very forum for very poor grip in the wet.  The last "decent" tyre which Bridgestone made was the "S-02 Pole Position", but that has long since been discontinued, and even when it was available, was still overshadowed (but not by much) by the original directional Mich Pilot Sport.

All three of the above tyres are great in the wet/dry and give a good ride !

Sorry, but the Bridgestones are crap in the wet.  Search the forum for tyres under username "Schrodingers Cat" (or however you spell it).

Judging by the high mileage you do, semi slicks out of the eqaution ??  ie Michelin Pilot Sport Cups / Toyo T1 R s ?

I'm sorry, but that is blatantly stupid, and completely irresponsible advice.  You should NEVER recommend using semi slick tyres for normal road use.  Even the tyre manufacturers themselves specifically state they should not be used on normal roads, with some serious disclaimer like - "you should be a professionally trained driver, fully familiar with racing style tyres, and be very prepared for a lack of grip in wet or cold conditions".  These should only be used on production-based race cars, or on road-going cars when used on track days and the like
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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #23 on: 30 September 2008, 13:06 »
The Michelins that are on at the min, must be made from tungstun carbide or something, as they seem to wear very little,

On the side wall of your tyre you will have a bit that says something like this "Traction A,  Temperature A, Treadwear 280.  What is the number you have on the treadwear?  Im not sure on the scale that its is based but im pretty sure that the lower the number the softer the compound.  For example the Toyo 888's are 100 and my Conti 3's are 280

To be honest i cant complain about the conti 3's that i have although i have not had any other tyre fitted to the GTI as yet so this is a somewhat flawed opinion
Just checked the Treadwear 240 Traction A Temp A.. Not sure what that means though... :huh:

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #24 on: 30 September 2008, 13:08 »


Which type of Michelin?  If they are the Pilot Exalto PE2, then the Pilot Sport PE2 would be considerably better....



TT, what is wrong with Exalto? I have them  :undecided:

I think you mis-understood me.  There is nothing wrong with the Exaltos.  In fact, they are a very good tyre.  However, they are not an "out and out" sports performance tyre.  The Exaltos are aimed at hot hatches, cabrios and the like, and combine the abilities of sporting handling (but not extreme sports grip), with really superb wet weather performance, excellent tyre life, good comfort, and a general all-round tyre.  So you can have fun in the twisites one moment, and the next, your Granny wont be moaning because the tyre is creating a hard ride.

The Pilot Sport PS2 is just a more extreme sports performance tyre - at home on Porsche 911s, BMW M3s and M5s, Audi RS models, and Merc AMG models.  They are actually more suited to much heavier cars than the GTI, but they still work exceptionally well on the GTI too.  Though 18" is the minium rim size for the PS2, so for standard GTIs on 17" Monzas, then they would have to stick with the Exaltos.

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #25 on: 30 September 2008, 13:09 »
The Michelins that are on at the min, must be made from tungstun carbide or something, as they seem to wear very little,

On the side wall of your tyre you will have a bit that says something like this "Traction A,  Temperature A, Treadwear 280.  What is the number you have on the treadwear?  Im not sure on the scale that its is based but im pretty sure that the lower the number the softer the compound.  For example the Toyo 888's are 100 and my Conti 3's are 280

To be honest i cant complain about the conti 3's that i have although i have not had any other tyre fitted to the GTI as yet so this is a somewhat flawed opinion
Just checked the Treadwear 240 Traction A Temp A.. Not sure what that means though... :huh:

But what TYPE of Michelins are they?  :rolleyes:
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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #26 on: 30 September 2008, 13:12 »
Eagle F1's here and very happy with them :smiley:

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #27 on: 30 September 2008, 13:17 »
The Michelins that are on at the min, must be made from tungstun carbide or something, as they seem to wear very little,

On the side wall of your tyre you will have a bit that says something like this "Traction A,  Temperature A, Treadwear 280.  What is the number you have on the treadwear?  Im not sure on the scale that its is based but im pretty sure that the lower the number the softer the compound.  For example the Toyo 888's are 100 and my Conti 3's are 280

To be honest i cant complain about the conti 3's that i have although i have not had any other tyre fitted to the GTI as yet so this is a somewhat flawed opinion
Just checked the Treadwear 240 Traction A Temp A.. Not sure what that means though... :huh:

But what TYPE of Michelins are they?  :rolleyes:
Sorry mate, thought I put Exaltos on there, but obviously didn't..  :grin:
Before you shoot bud, what would you recommend for my car then. Considering it's running over 300bhp and I do a bit of 1/4 mile sprinting, so woud like some decent grip..   :wink:
On the other hand, I do quite a bit of motorway miles and need them to crack 10k minimum really.. (These have easily cracker 15k with a bit to spare..

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #28 on: 30 September 2008, 13:21 »
Liking my p-zero rosso's at the moment, but done less than 1000 miles on them so time will tell. Road noise is the only downside I've found so far.

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Re: New Tyres time.. Suggestions please???
« Reply #29 on: 30 September 2008, 13:46 »
Read AutoExpress.  They tested 200 tyres on a Gti and GT 225/45/17.  The edition came out a few weeks ago.  It's also here...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/total_tyre_guide/212628/the_total_tyre_guide.html
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