Power at the wheels on Mapped Edition 30's

[Turkish]

Hi All

Newbie here, been reading this forum for a few months. Some really great info around.

What I am trying to find out is the actual wheel power figures for mapped Edition 30's.  I cant seem to find much info on it, only the normal engine power figures. I am really after seeing what the losses are between the DSG and Manual cars.

Cheers in advance for any reply's.

[Top Cat]

Welcome to the site Turkish.
Expect lots of answers then wait for MR TT to come in with his machine gun. 

[Hurdy]

Awesome GTI did their readouts with clutch power and wheel power.

On their RR I got 315.24bhp and 293.07whp.

Divide one by the other and you'll get a ratio used for the calc they use to go from whp to bhp

whp to bhp = 1.075

bhp to whp = 0.929

Obviously these are rough calculations based on how Awesome GTI reached their results, but they should be a good indicator for the Edition 30.

Now mine is 333bhp = 309whp.

[Turkish]

Wow.. 309 whp from 333 bhp, that is very minimal losses, very impressive. Yours is a DSG equipped car, am I right ?

With 300 odd bhp and 300 odd lbft can Manual and DSG boxes/clutchs cope with the power without causing clutch slip/gearbox issues. Is there a limit to them both ?

I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you. 

[Hurdy]

Wow.. 309 whp from 333 bhp, that is very minimal losses, very impressive. Yours is a DSG equipped car, am I right ?

With 300 odd bhp and 300 odd lbft can Manual and DSG boxes/clutchs cope with the power without causing clutch slip/gearbox issues. Is there a limit to them both ?

I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you. 

Up to me having a DSG service I'd been having some clutch slip issues. So far they haven't re-appeared, but I'm looking into uprated plates and a Quaife just to be sure.

Below is a run I did 32mph to 120mph (on the speedo) in 10 seconds.

[Vtec Abuser]

I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you. 

Think they may of been mine.. 
Mine was recorded @ 301 @ wheels on Awesome's rollers (320bhp 362lb/ft @ Fly). But I think the wheels figure is to high if i'm honest. Either that, or the DSG gearbox has very minimal transmission loses..

[SKAVIA]

Interesting stuff there.
So when manufacturers claim their BHP figures, are they at the wheels or at the flywheel?

[Turkish]

Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.

I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.

[Vtec Abuser]

Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.

I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.

You sound exactly like I was when I was about to order mine mate.. Didn't want to order the wrong box and when getting it have a another one with the oppisite box come whistling past you.. 
When I spoke to Revo, they said that the map on the DSG ED30 has the torque pulled back a little (which had me a bit annoyed  ) but when on the rollers, mine kicked out 360lb/ft on 2 seperate occasions, so if that's holdng back, i'd love to see what it would be like if they didn't...  The reliability issues/rumours seem to of been squashed with a number of seriously high powered cars running safely with no issues on DSG.
Mine has just Revo map and full TBE and Hurdy (the mod nutter) quite a few bits more (Fuel pump, FMIC, Intake, amoungst others  ) and both seem to be running mint at min..
Like you say though, even if the DSG did have a very slight disadvantage in transmission losses, it's more than made up through the shifts.. 
What car you got at min mate?

[Hurdy]

Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.

I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.

With a DSG you shouldn't have any more transmission losses than with a manual. The DSG is different to a standard auto and doesn't use a torque convertor - so doesn't suffer the same losses.