17" wheels on ED30?

[Saint Steve]

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....Robin

whats with the .... everytime you post, lol 

thats his brain regesturing  what he has to say, if you really stump him on a subject ,you'll get .............................................. hehehe

[Teutonic_Tamer]

well TT you need to tell Eibach that

So, why do Eibach have different part numbers for the TDI and the GTI? 

Any automotive engineer will tell you that the plated limit, ie, the Type Approval axle weight limits are one of the primary reasons which determine the spring rate.  And the Golf TDI has a considerably higher front axle loading than a GTI. 

i have no idea, it was me who said that he had the wrong springs to start with, its Eibach thats told RR that the tdi ones are fine

But wasn't it Red who stated is box said TDI, and also confirmed the part number as being for the TDI.  The GTI did have a different part number - of have wires become crossed somewhere?   

[RedRobin]

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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

[joesgti]

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[SteveP]

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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this 

The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??

Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for

[RedRobin]

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....it's 4 laser micro-dots burning through to the back of your brain!

[RedRobin]

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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this 

The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??

Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for

....Eibach have very clearly told me today in 2 separate calls (via 2 different techies) that the springs I've got (10-85-014-07-22 and 2.0 TDI on the box) are absolutely fine up to a max of 1,130 Kg front axle weight, which covers the GTI Mk5 DSG. I had one of the first batch available via Awesome and before GTI labelling was used. If there was a problem with the springs, surely that would be evident at the beginning - Nearly 50k miles ago. Also, Ray West, who fitted my suspension would have noticed at the time.

We reckon it's the KoniFSD's and I'm going to have them checked visually and then sent to Holland for testing by Koni.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

OK, I understand that your box says TDI, and that Eibach have subsequently (and "subsequent" is the important word) they are "OK" for the GTI.  However, why have Eibach now also got a spring kit specifically for the GTI - if the TDI ones are OK? 

The real crux of the issue regarding the springs (and this will also have an effect on the dampers too) is the range of weight they are designed for.  It is all very well they state they are fine "up to 1,130 kg" - however, that is being exceedingly economical with the truth, because there should be a lower limit, together with the upper limit.  So, just to quote a guess-timate as an example, the TDI springs you have may have a range of 1,090 to 1,130 kgs.  Now we all know that the GTI weighs a notable amount less than a TDI, and my GTI has a plated front axle load of 1,060kgs.  This would mean that those TDI springs are way too hard for the GTI.  And because they are "over-engineered" for the GTI in general, then any GTI-specific dampers will also be overworked, and subjected to premature failure - which is exactly what you seemed to be reporting in another thread!

Just looking at the official technical info - for the 2007 model year Mk5 Golf (all variants), there are 34 different weight ranges for the front axle loading.  My GTI has an "L99" axle load range, which equates to 776-835kg (this is a different way of calculating the axle loadings to the plated weights - plated weights usually use a 1.25 multiplication factor).  If you want to PM me your VIN, I can check yours.

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

But this was after they had supplied the bits!  Maybe they don't want to "loose face", by admitting they are the wrong bits - becuase if they did, they would face an expensive bill of not only supply the correct ones, but they would also be liable for the labour costs too! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this 

The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??

I don't think there is any confusion there at all!   

Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for

Yup.  The car will sit slightly higher, it will feel slightly more harsh, it will put more stress in general through the dampers.  But the most important issue is the fact that they can cause aggravated wear, by "localising" the wear at the upper limits of the damper, and can also cause the suspension to "top out". 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

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Yes it says TDI on my Pro-Kit box and Eibach have confirmed with me directly that my 10-85-014-07-22 is appropriate for front axle weight up to 1,130 Kg - Is that axle weight limit ok for the DSG Mk5 GTI, T_T?

Eibach have also confirmed that the TDI label is not an issue - Also confirmed by Awesome who supplied it.

I know its very easy to get me confused but I am now very very confused with all this 

The Eibach website says the 07 version are for the TDI models (with the axel weight as listed above) but the GTI (both Manual and DSG) should have the 06 version which supports an axel weight of upto 1080kg??

Isn't having a spring kit for a higher axel weight going to have some impact on the handling as the normal running load is going to be lower than it's designed for

....Eibach have very clearly told me today in 2 separate calls (via 2 different techies) that the springs I've got (10-85-014-07-22 and 2.0 TDI on the box) are absolutely fine up to a max of 1,130 Kg front axle weight, which covers the GTI Mk5 DSG.

But that does NOT cover the GTI.  The GTI is lighter than that, and therefore needs "lesser" springs, which is fully supported by the fact that they now also have GTI-specific springs, at a lower weight.  And this is also supported by the fact that the "TDI" are also sold as well as the GTI springs.  Eibach can NOT say "the TDI springs are fine" and then subsequently release another spring specifically for the TDI !!!!!

I had one of the first batch available via Awesome and before GTI labelling was used.

You mean a batch of "one size fits all" springs, which happened to have the TDI label on the box - which were released before the dedicated TDI springs.  This scenario is very much going into "Superchips territory", rather than "Revo territory"!   

If there was a problem with the springs, surely that would be evident at the beginning - Nearly 50k miles ago. Also, Ray West, who fitted my suspension would have noticed at the time.

Not at all.  Suspension components, even bog-standard generic ones, should last for around 80k-120k miles (unless they have been abused, or used for any competition-type purposes).  So if your "higher specification" Konis have gone south in as low as 50k miles, I would without any doubt consider them to have failed prematurely.

And why would Ray West have noticed anything unusual?

We reckon it's the KoniFSD's and I'm going to have them checked visually and then sent to Holland for testing by Koni.

And if Koni confirm they are now fcuked, I doubt they would offer any kind of warranty, with them being used with the wrong springs.