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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #10 on: 12 September 2008, 09:51 »
Yes I did run zero-sixty front and rear on standard pads and there was a deffinate inprovement in bite and feel, be careful not to put to hard a compound pad as they need heat to work effectively so can be a bit dodgy on the road if enough heat isn't built up. I ran some mintex pads a few years ago and they were lethal on cold mornings, had a few heart stoppers :smiley:

Thanks for the advice Gazbut, When you say you ran Zerosixty's on standard pads do you mean standard VW pads? Is there a big difference in cost/performance compared to the Ferodo DS2500 pads?

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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #11 on: 12 September 2008, 10:41 »
Yes I did run zero-sixty front and rear on standard pads and there was a deffinate inprovement in bite and feel, be careful not to put to hard a compound pad as they need heat to work effectively so can be a bit dodgy on the road if enough heat isn't built up. I ran some mintex pads a few years ago and they were lethal on cold mornings, had a few heart stoppers :smiley:

....Hence proving how important it is to get it right and match pad to disc appropriately. Best to get some expert advice rather than trial n error! It's simply not worth risking your (and others) safety over saving money on brakes.

T_T may know what's best, I reckon. Though if I recall correctly, he may not have agreed with AP Racing's use of Dot 5.1 fluid for road use.
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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #12 on: 12 September 2008, 10:44 »
I'm due for new discs soon but not interested in the BBK upgrades - maybe some better discs like the zerosixty's, could be temped with an R32 setup but it all comes down to cost - looking to spend a few grand on the house so not much left over for the car  :cry:

Did I not read somewhere the R32 setup is quite heavy compared to others?

Gaz, with stock pads I take it was better - as in no cold braking problems.

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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #13 on: 12 September 2008, 10:51 »

....Didn't someone post that the Seat(?) brakes were a much better alternative to the R32. Seat? Skoda? - I don't know the difference.
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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #14 on: 12 September 2008, 11:11 »
Yes, the Cupra brakes - which I thought were the same as the R32 anyway but I could be wrong.


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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #15 on: 12 September 2008, 11:13 »
Yes, the Cupra brakes - which I thought were the same as the R32 anyway but I could be wrong.


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Thats what I understood too, the seat version are just already painted red insteed of the R32 blue and are a little cheaper as well.   :smiley:

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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #16 on: 12 September 2008, 11:30 »
The standard pads worked great with the zerosixtys, If I was doing it again I would use standard again as I know they work :smiley:, could always look at a different manufacturer when the standard 1's are worn out
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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #17 on: 12 September 2008, 13:01 »
I do not want to spend £1000's on this really as the missus will do her nut and I am wanting to get turbo back milltek by the end of the year! So as mentioned by SteveP and I think by others on previous treads Zerosixy Discs with Ferodo DS2500 pads front and back will be a nice small upgrade to standard, would you all agree?  I would imagine this will cost me about £500?

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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #18 on: 12 September 2008, 13:29 »
I think (unless something comes up) I wil be going zerosixty's and standard pads - which are made by ATE.  In fact ATE also do some grooved discs for the GTI  - similar design to brembo discs





ZeroSixty front discs - £125 + vat
ZeroSixty Rear disc - £100 + vat
just then need pads which I dont think are that much so talking around the 300 smackers mark I expect.
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Re: Discs & Pads
« Reply #19 on: 12 September 2008, 14:55 »
Yes I did run zero-sixty front and rear on standard pads and there was a deffinate inprovement in bite and feel, be careful not to put to hard a compound pad as they need heat to work effectively so can be a bit dodgy on the road if enough heat isn't built up. I ran some mintex pads a few years ago and they were lethal on cold mornings, had a few heart stoppers :smiley:

....Hence proving how important it is to get it right and match pad to disc appropriately.

Hmmmm.  Strictly staying with conventional iron discs, and not ceramic or composite brakes, then discs are much of a much-ness.  They are all made of cast iron, irrespective of weather they may be "Black diamond" or whatever.  Therefore, if you keep identical disc sizes, different makes of disc (of the same size) will not give any improvement.  The only real disc improvement is drilling, as this can hugely reduce brake fade.  However, if you have never had brake fade, then drilled discs wont be of help.  A potential problem with many of the cheaper aftermarket drilled discs, is that the drilled holes are not chamfered, and can crack from the holes.

Different pads, though, even with OEM discs can provide notable improvements - though if you do suffer from brake fade, then drilled and/or larger discs would be strongly recommended.


Best to get some expert advice rather than trial n error! It's simply not worth risking your (and others) safety over saving money on brakes.

I agree that advice is always a good idea, however, some of the so-called "specialists", such as BBT and DT really should not be relied on as the last word.

T_T may know what's best, I reckon. Though if I recall correctly, he may not have agreed with AP Racing's use of Dot 5.1 fluid for road use.

I think I previously stated (though it probably got lost when the forum went down) that virtually all DOT5.1 fluids are snake oil, and are completely un-necessary on a road car.  Furthermore, from model year 2008, ANY brake fluid which does not meet VW 501.14 spec will invalidate the VW warranty.

Lets take the specific AP Racing 5.1 - it has a wet boiling point of 187°C, whereas the genuine VW brake fluid has a wet boiling point of 172°C - so not much difference.  Furthermore, the VW fluid is a specific "low viscosity" brake fluid, for use in ABS and ESP systems.  The AP 5.1 is not, therefore will make the ABS/ESP slower reacting.  Both the AP 5.1 and the genuine VW fluids have a normal service life of two years, but the real killer is the cost.  AP 5.1 costs about £40 per litre, whereas the VW stuff retails for £7 per litre, with 10-15% discount just for asking.  :rolleyes:
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