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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #10 on: 11 September 2008, 11:16 »
The OP isn't trying to rev the nuts off his engine,

Soryy, but can't agree with that.  He is pressing the loud pedal to the floor, thereby requesting the engine provide maximum airflow, maximum fueling, and therefore maximum revs.  Just because modern engines have "rev-limiters" and the like, it still doesn't mean it is safe, or advisable to rev a car to high revs without any load on the engine.  This was fully explained, and painfully (to the owner) demonstrated to me by a Ferrari engine technician at Grey Paul.  :nerd:

he's just concerned that the throttle response isn't what it should be and is testing by comparing a short 'foot to the floor' blip against another car... during which short time it wont over-rev anyway. Not the most scientific test but a decent benchmark nonetheless.. and with a 750rpm difference I'd say there's something not quite right there.

Like I said, "foot to floor", or indeed any "blipping" of throttle is a very bad idea on a turbo engine.  How would you like to be trussed up naked like a chicken, and then spun around at 180,000 rpm on your bare butt cheeks without any lubricant?  :shocked:

If the OP is concerned about actual throttle response, then his method certainly aint an appropriate method.  VAS505*, or VAG-COM, and/or a RR session would help/tell.  :smug:

Regarding the difference between the TT and the GTI - well do they have identical engine maps?  Even if they both have "OEM" maps, there can still be differences, and the manufacturers are known to release revisions to standard maps, which can noticeably alter many "traits".  On my RS, the revised engine map dramatically altered mid-range throttle response, but also altered the operation of the exhaust valves - so going back to the specific concern of the OP, this perceived difference may actually be perfectly OK.  :nerd:  :smug:

In days gone by disconnecting the battery for a while caused the throttle body alignment to reset.. not sure if that applies to anything after the MK4 though.

I'm sure that on all the later Bosch MED ECUs, the throttle body was re-aligned every time your turn on the ignition.  I can hear, and feel the throttle body doing just that on both the GTI and the RS.  So I doubt the battery method would add anything further - though, providing you have the audio sec code, there would be nothing to loose by trying.  :smiley:
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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #11 on: 11 September 2008, 11:41 »
Yes but the engine isn't reaching high revs at all is it :tongue: and it's nothing to do with a rev limiter.. it just doesn't get there.

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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #12 on: 11 September 2008, 12:05 »
VCDS (Vagcom) did not pull up any codes. Have carried out the throttle re-alignment, but this made no difference.

When doing a rolling road test upto max revs, how do they know what load to put on the driven wheels to simulate the car tyre and wind resistances as they change at any given speed??

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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #13 on: 11 September 2008, 12:16 »
Yes but the engine isn't reaching high revs at all is it :tongue: and it's nothing to do with a rev limiter.. it just doesn't get there.

But the actual revs arn't the issue.  The engine is still being reved with zero load, and with WOT, the turbo will get max boost, and spin upto heady revs.  :tongue:  :smug:
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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #14 on: 11 September 2008, 12:27 »
VCDS (Vagcom) did not pull up any codes. Have carried out the throttle re-alignment, but this made no difference.

OK, thanks.  Do you know if there are any differences in ECU software revisions?

When doing a rolling road test upto max revs, how do they know what load to put on the driven wheels to simulate the car tyre and wind resistances as they change at any given speed??

Ahhh, the actuall rolling road is fundamentally a dynomometer.  This means it actually puts a specific load, or static resistance on the road wheels (or hubs, if it is a hub dyno), and is meant to mimic a straight and level "normal" road.  This is where the term "brake horsepower" orginiates - the engine/car was tested against a load provided by braking the rollers.  Don't forget, all the driveline transmission is being used on a RR, in exactly the same way as normal driving.

Regarding wind resistance, you have a valid comment, but not completely important.  Afterall, when accelerating from a standing start (unless there is a big headwind), then wind resistance isn't an immediate concern, just the loading through the wheels and transmission.  The BFO fans used in rolling roads are simply to assist in cooling.
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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #15 on: 11 September 2008, 12:37 »
VCDS (Vagcom) did not pull up any codes. Have carried out the throttle re-alignment, but this made no difference.

OK, thanks.  Do you know if there are any differences in ECU software revisions?

Thanks for informative info on rolling roads.
I do not know ECU software revisions. Suspect there may be as the cars have a 3 year age difference...

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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #16 on: 11 September 2008, 12:56 »
max boost at < 3k rpm ? maybe on a diesel..

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Re: Static Rev Test Results
« Reply #17 on: 11 September 2008, 13:27 »
max boost at < 3k rpm ? maybe on a diesel..

On the standard 200PS GTI, the turbo is "on song" therefore spinning at virtually max speed at 1,750rpm.  The Ed30 is a little higher (about 2,200rpm from what I gather), because it has a larger turbo.  The actual boost pressure is dependent on other variables too, and not just engine revoulutions.  :nerd:
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