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Offline RO83

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ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« on: 05 September 2008, 00:26 »
Hi all i drive a 1990 8v digifant and plannin to change for the abf engine from the mk3, as i like to put my hand to as many things as i can wen it comes to my car i was jus wondering if any1 had a link to a conversion guide for the swap so i can atempt the swap myself

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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #1 on: 05 September 2008, 09:58 »
For an easy life you could run it on 16v k-jet managmnet, but you'll also have to change the fuel pump and lines, which is an extra ball ache.  The entire exhaust needs to come off anyway unless you have an aftermarket system thats at least a 2.25" bore, so this is a good time to mount a lambda to the downpipe if you do decide to keep it on the MK3 ABF loom.

Most 4 branches wont fit well with an ABF, usually they require rear mount surgery or some hammerign to the tunnel, however a std VAG MK2 16v 4-2-1 manifold/downpipe will fit fine.  If you can find a G60 downpipe and cat bypass you're laughing as it has a lambda bung, plus it'll bolt right up to a 16v manifold and a MK2 16v zaust system.  You could also use the ABF downpipe and a cat bypass, modified to fit a zaust system of your choice.

The ABF loom will need some tweaks to plug straight into a MK2 and have everything working, to start with bin all the MK3 lighting loom and keep the MK2 one in there, the lighting and engine looms are seperate so thats no problem.  Then on the engine loom some things like the radiator fan, MFA & coil plugs differ slightly.

Since I'm quite anal about these things I wanted it to be as close to how VW would have done it with as few cut wires as possible.  It takes more effort this way, but the end result is worth it!
What I did was to lay out a CE2 16v loom (8v loom is just as good, just more bits to remove) next to ABF loom & unwrapped it all. Tip: every foot or so put a single bit of tape round it to keep it roughly in the right shape!
Then I binned all the ABF bits that wern't for the engine, and all the bits from the MK2 loom that WERE for the engine. Then check out the fusebox plugs you have left, you'll end up with 2 of some of them, compare these and see how many wires are in each.  Choose the one with the fewest pins in and swap all the wires to the other one!
Also make sure you keep the MK2 firewall rubber grommet so you know it fits, I cantr remember if the ABF grommet was the right size?  Poping pins out of fusebox plugs is fiddly, ideally you want a proper tool but you can do it with a thin watchmaker screwdriver.

You may be left with a couple wires that need to go in the same socket, in this case what I did was to trim the insulation back on the wires in the plug you'll keep (dont cut the wire, just trim the insulation to expose the wire) then wrap the end of the other wire round the 1st wire, solder and cover with electrical tape.

Finally you are left with an awesome MK2 ABF loom, but its all unwrapped and looks like arse!  What you need is some of this stuff:

Its called Twistwrap sleeving, its awesome.
However the largest size they do isnt quite wide enough for engine looms, you could split it into 2 smaller looms, or do what I did and put a twist to it, I turned it in my hands till it covered the wires, then taped up the loose ends with loom tape.  I really took my time over this part and the end result was very nice, for all the bits where the loom splits off I tried to get the loom wrap inside the main body of the harness, and taped round the join.  God knows why I bothered though as it wasn't even my car  :lol:

It all sounds very complicated I know, its easier to actually do it than it is to expain over t' internet :)
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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #2 on: 05 September 2008, 10:30 »
Just buy a complete SEAT Toledo 2.0 16V (ABF) and fit the complete front sub-frame and strip the loom back and run it on standard (proper electronic management).

Really, if you're just asking 'how do I' then I'd question whether you have the skills to do it yourself.
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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #3 on: 06 September 2008, 10:03 »
im a bike michanic i dont have a prob puttin the thing in i jus need to no wat needs to be changed to accomidat the new engine and wat parts need to change to get her runnin as she should

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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #4 on: 06 September 2008, 11:13 »
Closest match ive found is this.

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95048

I would use the ABF parts. K-jet airbox looks abit dated and messy  :tongue: (just me)
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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #5 on: 06 September 2008, 11:28 »
Agree with you on that one!  no idle or co screws to mess with either.  main issue for me was cost, I've picked up 2.5 complete k-jet 16v systems for less than half the price of what ebay fools are asking for a complete abf loom.  Ideally when you get an abf try to get it compolete with all the engine bay loom, without any chopped off fusebox plugs, then you have the luxury of choice!
My mate got his with the loom but the muppwet who stripped it cut off the bay plugs, and really there is no excuse for that as its so easy to remove intact.
Was great fun trying to remotely tell him which wires to solder together based on crap photos, in the end I drove all the way up to him and did it mesen  :grin:

edit: Toyotec has an excellent guide on it, includes k-jet, megasquirt and oem abf managmnet:
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133418
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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #6 on: 06 September 2008, 16:57 »
another thing. Get a complete car if you can. You can pick ABF mk3's for as little as £250 if you hunt around :smiley:
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Re: ABF CONVERSION GUIDE NEEDED
« Reply #7 on: 07 September 2008, 23:09 »
ideal thanks guys