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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #20 on: 12 September 2008, 14:51 »
doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:


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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #21 on: 12 September 2008, 14:53 »
- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!

Early testing did indeed show very poor results from it, with charge temps actually higher than the stock setup.. afaik that has now been resolved though.

....Ah, that's good to hear confirmed - I wasn't imagining what I was told. Forge were telling me how good the stock i/c was as part of that conversation. And also how they didn't expect many sales in the UK.

The S3 i/c seems the best value for money.

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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #22 on: 12 September 2008, 14:54 »
doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:

....Which "john"? - There are quite a few around.
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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #23 on: 12 September 2008, 15:17 »
....T-T - I'm sure you're right in correcting my posted info (on this occasion! :wink: :wink: :grin:):

- I was told the S3 i/c installation was easy by someone who would be happy to sell and install one for me! But, to be fair, we had also been discussing the APR i/c and apparently that really is tricky!

- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!

- Good to learn that we can still gain benefit from the S3 i/c in the UK.

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Fitting the S3 cooler isn't a hard job, but it is very time consuming, and you really need two people - I did mine by myself, and taking pleanty of my usual care, the job took me a good two days - but then I am pedantic.  Th fiddly bit is when you remove the lock carrier (the black plastic carrier for the bonnet latch and rads), you need to support that, then you need to remove the three-layer sandwich that is the rad, i/c and air con condensor (whilst not disconnecting the air con and coolant lines).  Then you have to remove the air con from the front of the i/c, the rad from the rear - tease out the i/c, then put it all back.  It might be easy for an octopus, though!  :grin:

And the S3 cooler really does improve the consistency of the power output.  I'd highly recommend it.  :wink:
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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #24 on: 12 September 2008, 15:17 »
- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!

Early testing did indeed show very poor results from it, with charge temps actually higher than the stock setup.. afaik that has now been resolved though.

Ohhhh . . . . tell me more!  :smiley:
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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #25 on: 12 September 2008, 15:19 »
doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:

....Which "john"? - There are quite a few around.

Hurdy.  :smiley:

Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler!  :wink:  :smug:
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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #26 on: 12 September 2008, 15:31 »
Trying to dig out the independent review with the charge temp graphs.. its around here somewhere (the ones on the forge site look like they were drawn with crayons :grin: ) but I've no idea what was causing the issues, or what they did to resolve it.

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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #27 on: 12 September 2008, 15:38 »
Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler!  :wink:  :smug:

....Did you install them both in the same session? (seems you didn't from your 2-day posted info) In other words, did you install the S3 i/c first, run with it awhile, and then install the Twintercooler later? (Or vica-versa of course) and consequently form the opinion that the S3 i/c (alone) was of significant benefit.

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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #28 on: 12 September 2008, 16:59 »
Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler!  :wink:  :smug:

....Did you install them both in the same session? (seems you didn't from your 2-day posted info) In other words, did you install the S3 i/c first, run with it awhile, and then install the Twintercooler later? (Or vica-versa of course) and consequently form the opinion that the S3 i/c (alone) was of significant benefit.

Cheers.

Both together.

The Forge alone is a piece of wee-wee to fit.  Ten or so torx screws to remove the front bumper, a slight mod to the horn mounts, and a few other minor bits and bobs.  If you were reasonably proficient, with the appropriate tools (and downloaded the appropriate maunals from my sticky), then the complete Forge-only install could be done in about 90minutes.  Look on the Forge website, and download their very comprehensive fitting instructions.

The reason I took so long, was simply because I was working alone, taking lots of pics, making 3 or 4 pages of notes (for when I get round to doing a "how to" guide  :rolleyes:).  I did have issues with the hoses, which still are not fully rectified (hence my thread about Forge c/s in another section of the forum).  Technically, the whole job lasted 10 days, but that was because I was waiting on answers from Forge - but strictly counting "man hours", then that is where two days comes from.

Regarding testing individually, I personally have not, but going by various threads from a variety of other forums, in SCN, vortex, ASN, and somewhere else, then when either the S3 cooler, or the Forge cooler have been upgraded on a GTI, the S3 can clearly be proven to provide around 30% efficiency improvement in lower charge temps.  The efficiency of the Forge was less clear.  Its overall efficiency compared to the S3 was slightly lower, but the Forge remains more constant, compared to either the standard GTI or the S3 cooler (due to where they are mounted).  Now, weather that adds up to a cumulative 50% improvement - I don't know, and I doubt it.  I would probably guess around 35% improvement, but this will be extremely consistent, even in very hot weather, and when using the air con.

So, the S3 for me was a no-brainer.  For the Forge, their reputation had a key part in my decision.  I'd recommend either the S3 alone, or the Forge alone, or both together.  However, costs will play a key part.  The Forge is expensive (you can get them down to £600), but the labour charge should be relatively cheap.  On the other hand, the OEM S3 cooler must be a bargain of the century, at around £175 +vat.  However, if you are paying for labour for fitting the S3 cooler, then this will be a real killer.

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Re: Turbo Blanket
« Reply #29 on: 12 September 2008, 17:09 »

....Thanks as always for such a full answer, TT :smiley:.

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