Author Topic: 0-60 times golf3 20 8v  (Read 26915 times)

golfvr6

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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #70 on: 16 April 2004, 00:42 »
Another great comment there Bodhi,

The magazine claimed it had all the performance of the Mk2 8v (remember people there is more to performance than a straight line - what a Mk3 loses on the straights it gets in the corners)

So do you agree with that? a mk3 handles better than a mk2?
You really are full of knowledge.
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That isn't what I said tho. Better handling, possibly not (altho I honestly doubt there's much in it). Better grip, definitely. Which is what allows you to go round corners faster and make up the time on a Mk2.


Remember handling is what comes into play when the grip runs out. This simply means a Mk2 will be a nicer car over the limit than a Mk3.

Er No, the better your car handles the longer you will actually keep grip. This simply means you can push a mk2 more than a mk3 around corners. Once the grip goes, so do you, into a hedge.
Handling is what makes a car good at going round corners, simply because you can keep grip longer.
The mk3 handles better in a straight line because it is bigger. It is not very good at going round corners, at least not in stock form.
Since you are a man of knowledge Bodhi, here is a question for you :-

What actually makes the tyres grip?
Answer :- The suspension

The better your suspension, the better the car will grip, especially around corners.
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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #71 on: 16 April 2004, 00:48 »
Oh by the way, Bodhi, did you look up in 'EVO' magazine how to empty your ashtray?
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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #72 on: 16 April 2004, 09:29 »
For once i have to agree with Black!! the Mk3 is getting long in the tooth and so i think it is time to move up and beyond.

The interior of the MK4 is a lot nicer than the MK3 and i remember when the MK4 1.8T came out it won all its group tests, but over time it just became average- bit like the MK3.

But i'd rather have an A3 than a MK4 tho. hold value better....

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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #73 on: 16 April 2004, 10:10 »
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What actually makes the tyres grip?
Answer :- The suspension

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friction???

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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #74 on: 16 April 2004, 10:36 »
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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #75 on: 16 April 2004, 10:41 »
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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #76 on: 16 April 2004, 11:16 »
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What actually makes the tyres grip?

The road surface...

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golfvr6

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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #77 on: 16 April 2004, 12:59 »
Yes indeed, but what keeps the wheels in contact with the road? the suspension.
If you have a crap suspension then you will have crap grip  :D

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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #78 on: 16 April 2004, 13:56 »
The Mk3 8v doesn't have crap suspension tho, VW saved that for the stock VR6. Pitching under braking = teh win!!!!!!

Anyway, van der Waals forces make the tyres grip, that's why you have less grip in the wet than the dry because of the thin layer of water between the treadblock and the road. Suspension has a part to play yes, however notice any good drivers car under hard cornering - they normally have one wheel suspended in mid air (there was a great picture in evo of a Clio 182 heading into a 90 degree bend with its inside rear in mid air), so it's less important than you think.

And for the last time, handling doesn't help you go quickly, it determines what heppens when you go too quickly - how the car slides, how easy it is to recover. This is why you can annihalate a backroad in an Audi S4, even tho if you take it past its limit it revels itself to be a horrible understeering mess. Up until the limit it's the grip it gets from its 4wd system keeping it stuck to the road.

Oh, and "handles in a straight line". Oxymorons in action lad, tis unbecoming of an obviously educated car nut such as yourself. Maybe you should stick to fixing ashtrays and leave the driving to those of us who know what we're doing eh?
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Re:0-60 times golf3 20 8v
« Reply #79 on: 16 April 2004, 14:12 »
whats a van der walls force then?? fancy way of saying friction to make you look clever i say.
and its because of the suspensions characteristics that the rear inside wheel comes off the ground, so it has everything to do with it.

handling doesnt help you go quickly?? haha you are full of facts bodhi

handling charactreistics are different in every case and what they do when the limit is overstepped is different too, in every case. i think you will find the better the suspension set up, the less likely you will be able to correct it if you overstep it, because the grip will just 'snap' and you will under/oversteer and crash, but the limit is far above that of a standard suspension setup so you can go a lot quicker.