Bluefin query

[182_blue]

is bluefin completely removable ?, as im lead to believe Revo and the others (handset remaps) just switch the map on and off ?

[vRStu]

As I understand it the Bluefin will actually flash the code to the ECU and then back to stack again when chosen.

Pretty much the rest of them will actually load a code which is kept on the ECU at all times and a stock mode is used to lower the performance to stock like levels.

There is another device which I think is called a BBR PPC that will work in a simialr way to Bluefin.

If you think you will be modding more than just a remap then REVO is the best IMHO followed by GIAC or APR.  To supprt my comments REVO is actually user adjustable for boost/timing/fuel so as things change then so can your map.

[sunnylunn]

yes, the bluefin handset holds the standard map,you just plug it in and it uploads the performance map back to the handset and downloads the standard map back to your car and vice versa, resets the flash counter as well, which is nice.   

[182_blue]

cool, so vw wont know how many times its been flashed then ?

[vRStu]

That's the idea.  I think the early ones didn't reset but it's been implemented now.

[brian g]

VRSstu please explain more why you think Revo is tops
we know the benefits of being able to turn off a map but why would you turn down boost and leave fueling and timing for example, is there any real benefit for avarage joe to have control of this?


are you or any close relatives a Revo dealer ?

[182_blue]

he does mention GIAC or APR

[vRStu]

VRSstu please explain more why you think Revo is tops
we know the benefits of being able to turn off a map but why would you turn down boost and leave fueling and timing for example, is there any real benefit for avarage joe to have control of this?
are you or any close relatives a Revo dealer ?

Sure -

I've seen a fair few remaps on cars over the years and to be honest I was an avid REVO hater when I ran PD130's however I am pretty convinced for the TFSi they do have the best product on the market.  As I am sure you are well aware peak HP figures are just pub talk and it's the torque that really does the business and is the figure you should be concerned with.  REVO claim something silly like 255HP from a stage 1 map which frankly isn't possible and I have worked with REVO to try and prove this to be the case even using the RR that they use in Silverstone.  Obviously they aren't keen to lower their figures as clearly it can be a selling point.

Apart from the obvious good power delivery, REVO also can be adjusted to suit future mods on your car or even the weather conditions.  There might be a time when running slightly less timing for instance would give much better performance, highest isn't always best I can assure you.  You might also find that you decide to add an intake system in which case that might allow you to run a little more boost.  Again, perhaps you might add the High Flow Fuel Pump in which case you could then afford to richen the mixture to give better performance.

Granted not everyone would be interested in this but what it can do for those that are is allow you to tune your car on the road using some simple VAG-COM data logging.

My bias toward REVO TFSi maps has no commercial interest nor gain but it is based on a fair amount of experience with both mine and other cars. - This is my second TFSi with software installed.  I would also be the first to admit that other REVO maps are not quite as good as they could be.

he does mention GIAC or APR

If you google APR vs REVO you'll have yourself a good read. 

GIAC is one map that i've not seen anything of but it is quite well respected in the US.

[brian g]

i must admit i did consider Revo after doing a bit of recearch and may consider Revo stage 2 or GIAC once i fit a turbo back system and new fuel pump
For a stage 1 remap without any other mods i just don't think either are good value
in the glasgow area there is the choice of Revo, CustomCode and ChippedUK and i had previously traveled to Kirkcaldy to Starperformance where i had a custom map done on my MK4. Starperformance are no longer APR dealers, instead they are now GIAC providers and Jim up there really rates them.

I had phoned my local CustomCode dealer 2 or 3 times just to get to speak to speak to their guy as he was never there, i was then told that they'd need my car for about 3 days as they had never done a custom map before , pity because i've read only good thing about CC but ruled them out because of local inexperience

At a RR day at Starperformance last month a MK5 gti DSG made 249bhp, 270lb ft with only the GIAC and no other mods. My MK4 AUM was the highest MK4 of the day with 236bhp, 270lb ft running a stage 2 ChippedUK map with turbo back Jetex,  K&N panel and SFS TIP, this is why i had no qualms about getting my MK5 done by ChippedUK and for £300 think it's good value all be it after a second attempt
i am looking forward to the next RR day in my area to see what the new map makes

[RedRobin]

I've seen a fair few remaps on cars over the years and to be honest I was an avid REVO hater when I ran PD130's however I am pretty convinced for the TFSi they do have the best product on the market.  As I am sure you are well aware peak HP figures are just pub talk and it's the torque that really does the business and is the figure you should be concerned with.  REVO claim something silly like 255HP from a stage 1 map which frankly isn't possible and I have worked with REVO to try and prove this to be the case even using the RR that they use in Silverstone.  Obviously they aren't keen to lower their figures as clearly it can be a selling point.

Apart from the obvious good power delivery, REVO also can be adjusted to suit future mods on your car or even the weather conditions.  There might be a time when running slightly less timing for instance would give much better performance, highest isn't always best I can assure you.  You might also find that you decide to add an intake system in which case that might allow you to run a little more boost.  Again, perhaps you might add the High Flow Fuel Pump in which case you could then afford to richen the mixture to give better performance.

Granted not everyone would be interested in this but what it can do for those that are is allow you to tune your car on the road using some simple VAG-COM data logging.

My bias toward REVO TFSi maps has no commercial interest nor gain but it is based on a fair amount of experience with both mine and other cars. - This is my second TFSi with software installed.  I would also be the first to admit that other REVO maps are not quite as good as they could be.

....I very much second what Stu is saying.

Whereas I don't personally want to touch any of the loaded Revo settings myself, I have the complete peace of mind that I can go to my highly trusted Revo tuner (Jim at JKM, Portsmouth) and he can check and tweak any settings and, indeed, keep my engine running sweet.

Yes, it's also been my experience from the dyno plots that Revo's numbers are very optimistic but it's all about driveability and not bragging bhp numbers in the pub. My torque is high and in fact at its advisable and sensible maximum for a DSG.

If the issue is important (spelt "expensive") enough, VW can send your ECU to Bosch in Germany and any past presence of a remap can, I'm told, be detected. It's an utter fool who seeks to hide his remap, especially from his insurance company.