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Offline gazbutmk5gti

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Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« on: 15 March 2008, 11:59 »
As above really, Dean from Awesome rang on tuesday to see if they could borrow my car for the afternoon so the boffins from APR, who are over from the states for a few weeks, could do some development work on a new uprated fuel pump they have.
The afternoon turned into 3 days, as they had a few issues.
 
First they ran the car with the original generic APR stage 1 map I had installed and it made 277bhp at the wheels ,about 300bhp at the flywheel which is pretty good.

Then they did some work on that map smoothing it out a bit in the midrange and finding another 11bhp at the top end, 288bhp at the wheels, 310ish bhp at the flywheel, which I'm really impressed with as the car has nothing but the Carbonio intake. This will become APR's stage 1 generic map for the ED30 when its been sent back to the states for approval.

Then they did some work with the fuel pump, fitting their uprated item and adjusting the map to suit, it made some really impressive figures, up to 305bhp at the wheels, 325ish bhp at the flywheel, not bad with a standard exhaust. But for some reason there were issues at the top-end of the rev range 6500rpm+ the ECU would just pull everything back, the APR lads couldn't find the reason for this working for nearly 20hrs trying to sort it out with no success. So its back to the drawing board but they are confident they'll sort it. Its strange because they have had no problems with any other Tfsi engine getting really good results.

To be honest I'll be more than happy with the new stage 1 map and its 310bhp, but the fuel pump might be to tempting when its sorted, especially since Jim's gonna do me a bit of a deal :rolleyes:

I had a good chat with the APR lads and they were really open and knowledgeable, taking lots of time to explain what they had done and how things work, their software guy, Joel, was really helpful explaining all the safety parameters they work within and I left feeling confident in the APR products.

Whilst Awesome had my car they loaned me their Demo car, which had just had its map adjusted, the DSG, lambo doored Mk5 Gti. This really is a bit of kit, K04 turbo upgrade, APR TBE, KW variant3 suspension, Tarox 12 pots, Neuspeed anti-roll bars.
It was nice to compare a remapped DSG car and my manual Ed30 as they were making similar power, and to be honest its down to personal taste, intially I thought the DSG car was much faster, but I think the main reason for this is when you put your foot down on the motorway it geared down 2 gears into 4th and right into the sweet spot of the rev-range, which is something you would never do in a manual car. Where it did come into its own was in traffic making it far less hassle. So like I said I thinks its each to their own and I prefer my manual. The APR exhaust is a bit loud for my liking, so I think I'll go the Milltek route.
Although not really my cup of tea, the Lambo doors got alot of attention, even drawing a crowd taking pictures on their phones outside the ice rink, although serving no purpose I can see why Awesome have fitted them to attract attention at shows etc..
The car handled really well, and I did try it out :evil:, it seemed to turn in quicker than mine but was a little more twitchy and torque steered more than mine, but that could be down to different make of tyres, I use Toyos, they have Michelins.

Over all I enjoyed my few days with the demo car I was glad to get my car back yesterday and enjoyed my drive home :evil:

Thanx for reading my ramble!
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Offline SKAVIA

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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #1 on: 15 March 2008, 13:56 »
Great review Gaz - I often wonder about what it would have been like with a DSG rather than manual but as they say, the grass always seems greener...!
I would defo go for an APR remap if they were local - I live in Surrey so it's a long way to go up north for a remap - esp if you have any problems afterwards.
I'm still deciding between Revo and Bluefin however neither offer an easy switch back to standard (unlike APR!).  :undecided:

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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #2 on: 15 March 2008, 16:31 »
Thanx for reading my ramble!

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Great and useful write-up, gaz :smiley:
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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #3 on: 15 March 2008, 18:09 »
 Fantastic info Gaz :cool:

Looks like I'll be getting a free upgrade then :cool: :evil:

Time to get back on a rolling road and the 1/4mile again I think :wink:
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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #4 on: 15 March 2008, 21:58 »
keep em coming Gaz , love the info.
Did they think it was peculiar to your car or all ED30's ?
I assume they were checking Air Intake temps , in which case I dont think an intercooler is needed  :wink:
APR know much more than me but suggests a limit has been hit somewhere? airflow/MAF sensor / injectors etc

Given its virtually same as S3 / Seat unit , have they also seen issues at 300+ at wheels?
I see the S3 guys are raving about the GIAC maps.

Any idea when the Stage 1 updated wil be available  :smiley:

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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #5 on: 15 March 2008, 22:08 »
yea, I spoke with awsome the other day and he was telling me about the fuel pump tests. I git the impression that he was really into what he was talking about and very happy to tell me all about it  :cool:

i can't wait to get down to awsome and get a remap!! I am really impressesed with them.
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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #6 on: 15 March 2008, 22:19 »
keep em coming Gaz , love the info.
Did they think it was peculiar to your car or all ED30's ?
I assume they were checking Air Intake temps , in which case I dont think an intercooler is needed  :wink:
APR know much more than me but suggests a limit has been hit somewhere? airflow/MAF sensor / injectors etc

Given its virtually same as S3 / Seat unit , have they also seen issues at 300+ at wheels?
I see the S3 guys are raving about the GIAC maps.

Any idea when the Stage 1 updated wil be available  :smiley:




Thats the thing, they need to test another ED30 to see if it is my car or all ED30's, after speakin to the APR blokes there sure the ED30 engine isn't exactly the same as the S3 there are some differences, either way the improvements will be worth the upgrade.
The updated map should be sorted by the end of next week.


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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #7 on: 15 March 2008, 22:48 »
cool , cant wait  :smiley:
Definitely agree.  the changes you are talking about are 10 wheel hp jumps which are not insignificant
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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #8 on: 15 March 2008, 23:46 »
keep em coming Gaz , love the info.
Did they think it was peculiar to your car or all ED30's ?
I assume they were checking Air Intake temps , in which case I dont think an intercooler is needed  :wink:
APR know much more than me but suggests a limit has been hit somewhere? airflow/MAF sensor / injectors etc

Given its virtually same as S3 / Seat unit , have they also seen issues at 300+ at wheels?
I see the S3 guys are raving about the GIAC maps.

Any idea when the Stage 1 updated wil be available  :smiley:




Thats the thing, they need to test another ED30 to see if it is my car or all ED30's, after speakin to the APR blokes there sure the ED30 engine isn't exactly the same as the S3 there are some differences, either way the improvements will be worth the upgrade.
The updated map should be sorted by the end of next week.

I think the other ED30 they are tesing is mine, 300 bhp here we come  :laugh:  :evil:



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Re: Interesting week with Awesome and APR
« Reply #9 on: 16 March 2008, 11:06 »
Thanx for reading my ramble!

....Ramble On!! - One of Led Zeppelin's greatest songs (of many!) in my opinion.

Great and useful write-up, gaz :smiley:

Sorry to go off topic...

Big Red saw ‘A Whole Lotta Led’ last night in Wimborne (Led Zep tribute band)... awesome very tight.
Guess what they played Ramble On.
Takes me back to my youth.

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