Scirocco UPDATE

[Kermit]

What happened to the IROC style q's- suspect NCAP meant that grill had to go :-(  Torn on this one - was expecting something a bit special not this - I cannot see this competing with the TT (or put it this way I can't see a MK2 TT owner chopin in for one of these and thats the market they should be going at, plus  BMW Z4, Porsche Cayman - not Hyundai), for me this is a poors mans alternative - well it's not even a coupe its a hatch back (it even has a wiper on ther rear window!).  I just hope for the later model releases they lump in a higher PSI engine, quattro and some aggressive styling.  If this is the new look and feel of VW, how different will this be to the  MK6 Golf, apart from shorter and not available in 5DR! Does anyone in VW have any balls to try and compete with Audi (there must be an element of sibling rivalry)

Saying that I would love to test drive one (not the 1.4!) and see it in the flesh before commenting further - as I could totally change my mind  but at the moment my money is sat firmly on a TTS

there is no way they want this car to compete with premium product like TT, that is one of the reasons not to put 3.2 in Scirocco!

What do you mean - balls? This is VAG, not VW against Audi! They have brains, you know.

Both VW and Audi (and Seat, Skoda oh and Lamborghini  ) operate as separate legal entities - they all have to generate and pay revenue into VAG so why can't they steal market share from their sisters?  Audi is definately seen as the all round premier brand of the VAG group - this was not the case 15-20 years ago (I know things change).  Do you not think VW have aspirations of being the premium brand and not the mass market supplier (why bother with the Phaeton?).  All I'm saying is Audi have free design range (look at the R8) and so can VW - the MK1 TT was something totally different, this was not born out of intelligence of the market place and a potential consumer target, a set of designers were allowed to create what they wanted and prove it was feasible to manufacture and sell - IMHO I think it was the TT MK1 that changed peoples opinion of Audi and they have gone from strength to strength (also the Audi Quattro should also be recognised for this).   VW have access to the same parts bins, the same technologies and the same potential customers and I would hope ambitious designers and Engineers - why not create a TT beating coupe?

[Peskarik]

because the board of directors of VAG says NO.

[TagnuT]

What happened to the IROC style q's- suspect NCAP meant that grill had to go :-(  Torn on this one - was expecting something a bit special not this - I cannot see this competing with the TT (or put it this way I can't see a MK2 TT owner chopin in for one of these and thats the market they should be going at, plus  BMW Z4, Porsche Cayman - not Hyundai), for me this is a poors mans alternative - well it's not even a coupe its a hatch back (it even has a wiper on ther rear window!).  I just hope for the later model releases they lump in a higher PSI engine, quattro and some aggressive styling.  If this is the new look and feel of VW, how different will this be to the  MK6 Golf, apart from shorter and not available in 5DR! Does anyone in VW have any balls to try and compete with Audi (there must be an element of sibling rivalry)

Saying that I would love to test drive one (not the 1.4!) and see it in the flesh before commenting further - as I could totally change my mind  but at the moment my money is sat firmly on a TTS

DeSilva designed the IROC grill. The new VW boss said no as it distracted from the VW "vfm"- mainstream look and moved VW onto the Audi reservation

[block]

Here's some more info i found on vortex, seems quite thorough and from an official vw press release. It also mentions that vw will only be offering charged scirrocos, so that would mean no v6 version.

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_2235.shtml

[Kermit]

Not sure if anyone is interested but had the following through today - Sales speal for new Scirocco (VW SPAM  ):

http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/centralhosting/carlines/scirocco/tct_1b/en_GB.html#

[gary555]

i was just about to order a GTI, I'm now going to wait too see the Scirocco reviews and have a look at one in the flesh.will have to upgrade misses motor to a 5 door though because we have a baby, and just use Scirocco as my toy.probably not sensible but i like the look of the Scirocco,looks a bit like a squashed golf

[Cass]

because the board of directors of VAG says NO.

Quite correct - protecting each individual manufacturers interests/market share and the overall VAG brand

Cass

[hotrod]

Hi Red Robin,

Mine is a 3-door ED30. You should remember this as you keyed both sides before I picked it up.

Is your memory failing you fella?