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Offline MarkS

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #10 on: 02 March 2008, 22:22 »
The performance by using 98 would not change. The general census of opinion is that the higher the octane rating, the more performance. This is B.S. High peformance engines running high compression ratio, or turbos need higher octane ratings to reduce the risk of engine damaging detonation. If you have a normal engine for the average family car, then 95 is adequate. But for our Golf GTI's, although by todays standards have pretty mediocre power outputs, they are still high compression ratio engines and benefit from higher octane rated fuels.
In days of leaded petrol, tetra ethyle lead (TEL) was added to petrol to increase the octane. 100 octane which equates to about 6 or 7 star, is used for most light aircraft with 130 octane being available for high performance piston engined aircraft or high altitude planes. TEL has been replaced by another anti knock agent for todays lead free fuels.

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #11 on: 03 March 2008, 15:54 »
I find that my car is not as jerky/shaky with 97/99 ron at low speeds (pulling off/traffic)

Same here. Is this because mine's a K-Jet (doesn't have the knock sensor)?

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #12 on: 03 March 2008, 15:59 »
Yes mate, you car will be tuned to whatever fuel was in it last time the the fuel/air and timing was adjusted.

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #13 on: 04 March 2008, 10:48 »
The performance by using 98 would not change. The general census of opinion is that the higher the octane rating, the more performance. This is B.S. High peformance engines running high compression ratio, or turbos need higher octane ratings to reduce the risk of engine damaging detonation. If you have a normal engine for the average family car, then 95 is adequate. But for our Golf GTI's, although by todays standards have pretty mediocre power outputs, they are still high compression ratio engines and benefit from higher octane rated fuels.
In days of leaded petrol, tetra ethyle lead (TEL) was added to petrol to increase the octane. 100 octane which equates to about 6 or 7 star, is used for most light aircraft with 130 octane being available for high performance piston engined aircraft or high altitude planes. TEL has been replaced by another anti knock agent for todays lead free fuels.
But if your car has a knock sensor and the ECU controls the ignition advance I thought that the higher octane fuel meant that combustion is more efficient/closer to TDC - meaning that although there's no extra energy, there is a better conversion to kinetic energy?

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #14 on: 04 March 2008, 10:54 »
Well regardless of theories etc...  When i run my digi on 99 ron from tesco it runs noticably better than on 95 ron stuff. I can't explain the magic behind it, i just accept it!

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #15 on: 04 March 2008, 11:14 »
i just accept that mine will be constantly pinking if i dare put 95 ron in it...  :huh:


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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #16 on: 04 March 2008, 11:32 »
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But if your car has a knock sensor and the ECU controls the ignition advance I thought that the higher octane fuel meant that combustion is more efficient/closer to TDC - meaning that although there's no extra energy, there is a better conversion to kinetic energy?




Higher octane fuels have a higher flashpoint temperature than the lower octane fuels. Burning efficiency does not come into it when talking about fuels. The efficiency of fuel burning depends on the shape of the combustion chamber and pistons. I built up a Chevy 350 V8 for my Cobra and went against the general consensus of opinion that I needed domed top pistons to reach the desired C/R, as the flame would need to travel around the dome, thus acheiving uneven fuel burning and retarded peak pressure, not to mention high emissions. I went for flat top pistons and changed the heads with lower cc chambers. I reached a C/R of 10.3:1 calculated, which for a large street engine is more than enough. And I was happy in the fact that I was getting complete burning and acceptable emissions. For racing applications, domed pistons will achieve the desired C/R but then fuel ecconomy ceases to become an issue.
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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #17 on: 04 March 2008, 13:02 »
Higher octane fuels have a higher flashpoint temperature than the lower octane fuels.

Not quite. Higher octane fuels are more able to resist pre-ignition due to compression.

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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #18 on: 04 March 2008, 13:08 »
With compression, you get heat. If the heat is excessive you will get spontanious combustion.
Remember when you pump up a bicycle tyre, the end of the pump gets warm...


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Re: What fuel for a Digi?
« Reply #19 on: 04 March 2008, 14:14 »
So even though your analogy is wrong you agree? I'm totally confused as to where this thread is going now.