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« on: 02 January 2008, 01:11 »
spent an excellent day with Mark at Karlsson Collins recently...

background:

i picked up my mk3 8v about a year back and throughout the summer tried in vain to detail it to a point where i was getting decent results from the washing and waxing process... after many weekends and summer evenings spent either washing or researching I had reached a stage where I needed to call upon a professional

nooks, crannies and the trim all returned good results... a switch to the two bucket method, waffle weaves, decent shampoos and waxes and a couple of clayings returned even better results but it still wasn't right... this was about the best it got:



the problem:

previous poor washing technique from the previous owner had left the car with heavy swirl marks, the previous owner had also had a fit of 'paint stick rage' and got a bit over enthusiastic and put paint stick on every panel...  this left the car looking somewhat flat, dull and unsightly even when it was clean... i was either looking at mismatched paint stick or more scratches than a flea infested mutt  :undecided:



had been to several paint shops and asked every poor sod in the car industry that I met for advice and was quoted between £750-£4000 to solve the problem  :shocked:

i decided to leave it and then saw Mark's offer for work on the forum... was in like Flynn... and after a few PM's to work out what was needed and a while to find a mutual space in our diaries here is what happened....

the process:

joined Mark on a cold late December morning... had washed the car the day before but it got dirty and muddy on the journey over to Mark so we had to give it a quick clean before we kicked off with the paintwork correction...


Car pre rinsed with Citrus pre wash / non caustic traffic film remover solution applied using a hand held sprayer - smells great and you can visibly see it working




Wheels cleaned with Auto Smart Smart wheels (no pictures of this)

Car foamed with combination of Auto brite Supa snow foam / Raceglaze Aqua bath Ph neutral shampoo - produces a fantastic foam!



rinsed off and then dried using RaceGlaze drying towels... I normally use a Megs Waffle Weave and RaceGlaze towels are much better!



a virtually touchless wash - brilliant!

the car was then moved inside where Mark has a brilliant Halogen light set-up so that the paintwork can be inspected fully...

Mark then proceeded to take paint depth measurements  - 95 in total!! 

You can also clearly see the swirl marks in this photo...



Mark was able to detect that although the paintwork quality was fairly even the car had at some point been involved in an altercation needing a drivers side door repair.. which returned uneven depth measurements (I have since conferred with the previous owner and this was the case... someone had reversed into the door in a car park!)

the car was then masked off and we set about removing the paint stick with thinners....





paint stick removed - revealed some light scratching underneath where someone had used an abrasive cleaning pad to remove some type of stain...


 
more example of paint stick... this time on rear passenger door... (more on this one later)



Mark then set about wet sanding some of the worst affected areas... specifically the top of the bonnet where there were some deeper scratches...




Mark then set me to work on a test panel on the front quarter of the bonnet...  he taught me how to handle my new Meguiars G220 DA and we (Mark) worked out what pad and polish combinations we would be using starting with a less aggressive pad and compound and then working with more aggressive combinations to get the desired result...

proof I did some work!



i had brought with me Meguiars Mirror Glaze - Dual Action Cleaner/Polish #83 and all three Meguiars pads... decided that we were able to use the Meguiars Soft Buff 6.5" Foam Cutting Pad W7006 for maximum effect...

the test panel returned these results...

before:


after:



before:


after:



Mark worked on areas that needed heavy correction.... he used Poor Boys world SSR3 polishing compound applied via rotary and Porter Cable






One of the main things that I learned is that you will not get instant results... it takes time... the cutting/polishing process took two of us about 4 hours so you need to give yourself plenty of time and have lots of patience!

once we had been over the bonnet and roof of the car and Mark had addressed the worst affected areas we went over the rest of the panels with Menzerna Pro line Intensive polish applied via PC and Megs polisher

Menzerna I found to be an excellent polish to work with... it not only is easy but I found it virtually 'tells' you when it has done its work...

once this was complete we went over the car Menzerna Pro line final finish polish applied via PC and Megs polisher and a lighter polishing pad - in my case Meguiars Soft Buff 6.5" Foam Finishing Pad W9006 - this was a really enjoyable part of the process as the results really started to shine through! (sorry for the pun)

we experimented with some waxes and polishes and Mark suggested that we use Mark V Glisten sealant - this we applied using foam applicator pads and was left to dry and wiped off using microfibres

Mark then dressed the exterior plastics and tyres with Auto Smart Highstyle using a paint brush application process... noticed it was much easier than cloths creams squirting from bottles all over paintwork!

so... the results....

the bonnet Mark was wet sanding which had the swirls shown in the Paint Depth Measurement picture...


remember this....

before:


after:


paint stick was removed from this original spot:


after thinners showing evidence of abrasive cleaning methods:


after cutting and polishing:


remember this little blighter right in the middle of a door panel?:


now look!!: (my favourite picture!)


wet sanded area:


general shots:












there are still some surface imperfections but Mark has shown me how to address these and when there are spare weekends in the coming months I will be carrying on the good work that has been started... it has to be remembered that this is a daily driver that has had 13 years of use 12 of which were by people that really didn't care about the paintwork.

I would like to publicly thank Mark (Cornish Pixie) for his time, generosity and his excellent hospitality. Mark is such a detailed professional with a great work ethic and is really genuine - my advice to anyone umming and erring about needing help with paintwork correction or wanting to kick off their car detailing process is to use him... I am sure you will agree that the results achieved were astounding!

I hope you have enjoyed this as much as I did... I have ended up absolutely delighted with the results!  :grin: :grin:
« Last Edit: 02 January 2008, 01:36 by GTi Guy »

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« Reply #1 on: 02 January 2008, 10:38 »
Excellent post dude.

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« Reply #2 on: 02 January 2008, 16:54 »
It was a pleasure Guy!

Guy's car is one very straight and original Mk3 and the unusual colour (on a Gti) is great for getting the most out of finishing products that give a "wet look" finish. The overall condition of the car when it arrived at my place was a credit to Guy.

The Mark V sealant was chosen as a finishing product because it gives a nice wet look without the harshness of some of the dealer offered sealants such as Supaguard and it gives a good depth of shine and good longevity. As a stand alone finishing product Glisten is a great product and I would expect to see 9-12 months protection in everyday use.

Normaly I would probably have recommended finishing off with a good carnauba wax to really give depth to the shine but as Guy is going to continue to polish the car using the Megs polisher over the coming months this would have been a little pointless in the short term.

With time it would have been possible to remove the heavier defects using either the Megs polisher or the PC but the rotary does make a quicker job of it and probably is able to work more aggresive compounds such as Poorboys SSR3 and Menzerna Power Gloss more effectively due to the rotary's more aggresive nature.

It was interesting to compare my Porter Cable (which is used a lot and endures fairly abusive treatment) with the new Megs 220 polisher. The Megs machine is far smoother in operation and much quieter, The PC vibrates quite a bit more (but is an older design) may be a little heavier, but might have a slightly longer "throw" on the polishing action. Overall the Megs machine would be my choice for the home detailer due to the similar results achieved and the lack of need to buy a transformer etc.

As always I am more than happy to help out fellow Gti owners with queries that are related to detailing, just shout........

Mark
   
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« Reply #3 on: 02 January 2008, 19:32 »
^^^ very impressive. i also got a megs g220 for christmas and was advised by alex at elite car care to use the menzerna range. so i'm looking forward to giving this a go. i'm probably going to attack my passat as it is heavily swirled.
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« Reply #4 on: 02 January 2008, 19:50 »
A good starting point with Menzerna range for VAG cars older than 2-3 years would be 106FA Intensive polish and 85RD Final finish both of these are from the Pro line range and are easier to work with than the retail versions with the same name.

106FA has a cut rating of about 6.5 out of 10 and will give excellent de-swirling results if worked for a good period of time and appears to be a little more aggresive than Megs #83

85RD Final finish is the same product that Swissvax market as cleaner fluid pro and is a really good low cut finishing polish.
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« Reply #5 on: 02 January 2008, 22:57 »
Man that's just brilliant. Great job!

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« Reply #6 on: 03 January 2008, 00:29 »
thanks for your comments guys!  :grin:

^^^ very impressive. i also got a megs g220 for christmas and was advised by alex at elite car care to use the menzerna range. so i'm looking forward to giving this a go. i'm probably going to attack my passat as it is heavily swirled.

I got my megs G220 from Alex at http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/ and they really are a super couple... they do give good advice

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as it happens tonight I am fairly gutted...  was driving home from a snowboarding session when some lass pulled out in front of me when she was emerging from the pub and swiped across my bumper  :angry: :angry:

she stopped which was one thing... and she was in a bit of a state bless her... all shook up so I went very easy on her...

there isn't too much damage but still...



not too sure what to do now... my nail doesn't catch in it as such... but it is definitely 'rough'  :undecided:

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« Reply #7 on: 03 January 2008, 08:06 »
Gutted for you Guy, PM sent in response to yours.
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« Reply #8 on: 03 January 2008, 19:51 »
looks good! so is there now no lacker on the car?

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« Reply #9 on: 04 January 2008, 08:09 »
looks good! so is there now no lacker on the car?

Yes the clearcoat finish remains intact and will usually only be removed through inexperienced or untrained use of the polisher.

On most cars with this type of finish there is generally around 30 microns of clearcoat on top of the base coat which is the colour. The exception to this is where a car has been repaired or resprayed, in this instance the depth of clear coat is variable between cars due to differences in technique and skill of the person spraying the car.

The process of de-swirling and removing light scratches will normally remove around 2-3 microns of clearcoat leaving in most cases around 27-28 microns of clear coat on the car.

By using a paint depth guage to assess the depth of paint it is possible to keep an eye on the amount being removed and also to identify any areas that have been resprayed as these will always be identifiable by an increase in depth compared to others areas or if the whole car has been sprayed it will generally give very much higher readings than a car with factory paint.
   
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