edition 30 vs R32

[maxamus]

The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI

Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........

[DannyBoyR32]

audi maybe have better engineers???

i think at 300bhp, you've got a car and then they can shift the ed30 up to 250, if it were a continuing model

although saying that, the current drive in both cars is totally different so bhp is not the major differentiator, it's the way you can feel the power when you drive

[maxamus]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

[Peskarik]

The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI

Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........

that's an old V6 they are using in that car. Aftermarket improvements of it cost quite a lot. Now, imagine VW would do these improvements in-house - then R32 would cost just like S3, and S3 is the premium product. Moreover, I think VW wanted to keep V6 in their production line, to differentiate a little.

[Peskarik]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. 

actually, S3 features a clearly better version of TFSI, as it was heavily uprated before put into S3. They uprate the engine again for their TT-S. This also makes me wonder what a tune-up to 330 ponies does to E30 engine and to S3 engine, comparatively.

[Peskarik]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

a, cmon, Veyron... they collected parts of different vehicles and put them together. They did the same with the 12-cylinder GTI only they did it on-the-double (1 month or so) so it was not really running. Parts of Veyron were developed by ingineers from Audi, from Lambo, from whatever...

[maxamus]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. 

No, "The second generation Audi S3 is powered by a Volkswagen Group-sourced 265 bhp 2.0 L Turbocharged FSI petrol engine."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S3

[maxamus]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

a, cmon, Veyron... they collected parts of different vehicles and put them together. They did the same with the 12-cylinder GTI only they did it on-the-double (1 month or so) so it was not really running. Parts of Veyron were developed by ingineers from Audi, from Lambo, from whatever...

i wouldnt say they got parts from other vehicles and put them together as no vehicle in the whole of the VW group comes close to putting out as much power as the veyron. It was the GTI W12 that used parts from other vehicles such as the brakes from an RS4 and engine from Bentley GT etc.

The car started its birth in 1999 and was officially unveiled in 2005 so it took some time developing it. Its like no other car in the VAG group! Its a whole new car!

It was developed by VW engineers which would include engineers from the whole of the VW group:
Audi
SEAT
Å koda
Bentley
Bugatti
Lamborghini

And now Audi engineers pretty much design Lambo's so they are 1 group really.
For some reason people think Audi engineers are better than VW engineers which is not the case as they are one and the same across the whole group.

And lets not forget that VW works closely with Porsche so i wouldnt be suprised if they lend engineers to each other every now and then.

[Peskarik]

audi maybe have better engineers???

The S3 features the same 2.0T FSI engine as the Golf GTI / Seat Cupra.
I think it was a delibrate attempt by the VW/VAG group to place the R32 below the S3 so they are not in compertition with each other

And i dont think Audi have better engineers as VW have proved they have better engineers by producing the Bugatti Veyron. If anything they all share the same engineers around the whole VAG group (which was also shown by the Golf W12). They even sometimes share and work with Porsche engineers, more frequently then people think.

actually, you wanted to say that Leaon and GTI feature the same engine as S3, as TFSI was developed by Audi (yes, I know it is one concern, but still). So enjoy a piece of premium product in your V-Dub. 

No, "The second generation Audi S3 is powered by a Volkswagen Group-sourced 265 bhp 2.0 L Turbocharged FSI petrol engine."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S3

yeah, group sourced but originally developed for Audi

[yelmarb]

The thing that has always confused me is why the R32 is only 250bhp with its 3.2 V6 when the S3 is 265bhp from its 2.0T FSI

Shouldnt the R32 be 300BHP + .........

The limiting issue for the R32 power output is the DSG gearbox. VAG haven't engineered it for 300+ HP and similar torque outputs. Which is also why a DSG gearbox isn't an option on any other VAG performance cars. RS4, R8 etc.