Edition 30 100 mile 'duel' with Megane F1.

[Hurdy]

err,

faster.
quicker gearchanges.
No missed gearchanges.
Let's you concentrate on the road as you're not constantly thinking about the gearchanges for the road ahead and so flows better.
Two hands on the wheel at all times and so it is safer.
Inspires confidence.
No fear of trashing the clutch/gearbox/engine by selecting the wrong gear.
You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
Launch control feature.
Lets you use it as both a manual or an auto for the best of both worlds

and for the boring bits:-

Better fuel consumption (although minimal)...apart from my 9.5mpg thread :embarassed:
Better round town in the awful traffic jams we get over here in the UK
Reversing up a steep incline doesn't fcuk your clutch up (I live on a city with hills everywhere!)

And the benefit of manual over DSG is?

[R32UK]

I wrote as fair and balanced a thread as I could concerning these two cars. I wrote it as I saw it. I didn't write it on the basis of cost price, residual values, build quality or subjective aesthetic appeal. It was an objective assesment of these two cars ground covering abilities across sinuous country roads.

It wasn't a brief traffic light thrash, a max speed run on an autobahn or an ownership statement on how these cars behave on the daily commute. It was 100 miles of very fast country road driving in two of the most accomplished cars for the money.

I also (mainly) left aside subjective analysis of their respective handling and power delivery characteristics in order to keep the thread simple.

The Megane may not be everyone's taste (no one's on here unsuprisingly) but there is no denying its ability to cover ground quickly.

These are cars that are seperated by 10ths on a race track so it's no suprise to find that 'figuratively' the are very closely matched on the road.

Illyun: I was in an Edition 30.

Andy B: Nice post about the Elise.

Hurdy: DSG versus manual, no contest

R32UK: Your well documented traction benefits due to 4 wheel drive cannot be denied, nor can the drawbacks of the excessive weight this system imparts. If I stuck a quarter of a ton of lead on my car it would have a huge detrimental effect and that is exactly what has happened to the R32. It's a great car, a really lovely one, but it weighs an awful lot.

FAir play... but you do realise the R32 has 50bhp more than the std golf! (on paper) And gets it down really well in any weather. No wheel spin, or understeer... yes a little more weight but overall a better bhp/tonne ratio. So now imagine your golf being able to get nearly all its power down all of the time. Just a thought..

[R32UK]

err,

faster.
quicker gearchanges.
No missed gearchanges.
Let's you concentrate on the road as you're not constantly thinking about the gearchanges for the road ahead and so flows better.
Two hands on the wheel at all times and so it is safer.
Inspires confidence.
No fear of trashing the clutch/gearbox/engine by selecting the wrong gear.
You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
Launch control feature.
Lets you use it as both a manual or an auto for the best of both worlds

and for the boring bits:-

Better fuel consumption (although minimal)...apart from my 9.5mpg thread :embarassed:
Better round town in the awful traffic jams we get over here in the UK
Reversing up a steep incline doesn't fcuk your clutch up (I live on a city with hills everywhere!)

And the benefit of manual over DSG is?

Hmmm let me think.

1. It just feels normal
2. Something to keep your left leg from being skinnier than your right one.
3. Perfect starts everytime, if you know how.
4. Skip gears when and if its required.
5. Better economy (yes this is true simply because i say so!! and the fact that you can read the road ahead better than the car can)
6. Dont have to waste time explaining to people that its manual.. when you really know it isnt
7. no jerkiness below 10mph
8. no problems parking.
9. No need to switch between modes
10. No future problems.. or paddel problems

i got more if you want

[Peskarik]

err,

faster.
quicker gearchanges.
No missed gearchanges.
Let's you concentrate on the road as you're not constantly thinking about the gearchanges for the road ahead and so flows better.
Two hands on the wheel at all times and so it is safer.
Inspires confidence.
No fear of trashing the clutch/gearbox/engine by selecting the wrong gear.
You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
Launch control feature.
Lets you use it as both a manual or an auto for the best of both worlds

and for the boring bits:-

Better fuel consumption (although minimal)...apart from my 9.5mpg thread :embarassed:
Better round town in the awful traffic jams we get over here in the UK
Reversing up a steep incline doesn't fcuk your clutch up (I live on a city with hills everywhere!)

And the benefit of manual over DSG is?

Hmmm let me think.

1. It just feels normal
2. Something to keep your left leg from being skinnier than your right one.
3. Perfect starts everytime, if you know how.
4. Skip gears when and if its required.
5. Better economy (yes this is true simply because i say so!! and the fact that you can read the road ahead better than the car can)
6. Dont have to waste time explaining to people that its manual.. when you really know it isnt
7. no jerkiness below 10mph
8. no problems parking.
9. No need to switch between modes
10. No future problems.. or paddel problems

i got more if you want

preach, my brother 

[speedynz]

Err,
It's faster (despite VW's claims)
It's one of the best manual changes in any hot hatch and a delight to use,
It's always up to the the driver what gear you are in, not the intuition of a computer,
The manual never misses a gear - sometimes DSG doesn't respond at all, sometimes it chooses the wrong gear,
You always, always know which gear you are in,
It doesn't break,
It's cheaper (much),
It doesn't pause then lurch on initial take off,
Launch control is always engaged
You have a choice to heel and toe (and the pedals are absolutely perfect for this)
It's tactile, far more engaging and a wonderfully integral part of the car/driver interface,
It's a real gearbox and not two tiny, tappy switches hidden somewhere between the steering wheel and control stalks,
If you've got fingers bigger than a childs you don't have to engage main beam and the rear wiper to fit the gear lever,
Was that two taps? or three? Oh noooooooooooo!

[speedynz]

I wrote as fair and balanced a thread as I could concerning these two cars. I wrote it as I saw it. I didn't write it on the basis of cost price, residual values, build quality or subjective aesthetic appeal. It was an objective assesment of these two cars ground covering abilities across sinuous country roads.

It wasn't a brief traffic light thrash, a max speed run on an autobahn or an ownership statement on how these cars behave on the daily commute. It was 100 miles of very fast country road driving in two of the most accomplished cars for the money.

I also (mainly) left aside subjective analysis of their respective handling and power delivery characteristics in order to keep the thread simple.

The Megane may not be everyone's taste (no one's on here unsuprisingly) but there is no denying its ability to cover ground quickly.

These are cars that are seperated by 10ths on a race track so it's no suprise to find that 'figuratively' the are very closely matched on the road.

Illyun: I was in an Edition 30.

Andy B: Nice post about the Elise.

Hurdy: DSG versus manual, no contest

R32UK: Your well documented traction benefits due to 4 wheel drive cannot be denied, nor can the drawbacks of the excessive weight this system imparts. If I stuck a quarter of a ton of lead on my car it would have a huge detrimental effect and that is exactly what has happened to the R32. It's a great car, a really lovely one, but it weighs an awful lot.

FAir play... but you do realise the R32 has 50bhp more than the std golf! (on paper) And gets it down really well in any weather. No wheel spin, or understeer... yes a little more weight but overall a better bhp/tonne ratio. So now imagine your golf being able to get nearly all its power down all of the time. Just a thought..

I said it earler R32UK, it's not "a little more weight" it' a quarter of a ton for christ sake, and the 'real' BHP/ton ratio of an Edition 30 is 180/ton and for the R32 it's 155/ton. My car will sit still, spin its wheels and go nowhere on an uphill wet standing start and your R32 would just rocket away but there are drawbacks to all that weight, we just have to be open about our respective cars benefits and disadvantages.

[speedynz]

err,

faster.
quicker gearchanges.
No missed gearchanges.
Let's you concentrate on the road as you're not constantly thinking about the gearchanges for the road ahead and so flows better.
Two hands on the wheel at all times and so it is safer.
Inspires confidence.
No fear of trashing the clutch/gearbox/engine by selecting the wrong gear.
You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
Launch control feature.
Lets you use it as both a manual or an auto for the best of both worlds

and for the boring bits:-

Better fuel consumption (although minimal)...apart from my 9.5mpg thread :embarassed:
Better round town in the awful traffic jams we get over here in the UK
Reversing up a steep incline doesn't fcuk your clutch up (I live on a city with hills everywhere!)

And the benefit of manual over DSG is?

Hmmm let me think.

1. It just feels normal
2. Something to keep your left leg from being skinnier than your right one.
3. Perfect starts everytime, if you know how.
4. Skip gears when and if its required.
5. Better economy (yes this is true simply because i say so!! and the fact that you can read the road ahead better than the car can)
6. Dont have to waste time explaining to people that its manual.. when you really know it isnt
7. no jerkiness below 10mph
8. no problems parking.
9. No need to switch between modes
10. No future problems.. or paddel problems

i got more if you want

Alleylooyah!!!

[SteveS]

Launch control is alwaysengaged

?

[illyun]

You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
 

I only use my right foot for both the accelerator and braking...   

My left foot is to heavy for anything except resting and a clutch if driving a manual...

[illyun]

err,

faster.
quicker gearchanges.
No missed gearchanges.
Let's you concentrate on the road as you're not constantly thinking about the gearchanges for the road ahead and so flows better.
Two hands on the wheel at all times and so it is safer.
Inspires confidence.
No fear of trashing the clutch/gearbox/engine by selecting the wrong gear.
You can always have one foot for braking and one for accelleration and so can react faster for both and don't have to mess about with heel/toeing which is a pain (but great when you get it right )
Launch control feature.
Lets you use it as both a manual or an auto for the best of both worlds

and for the boring bits:-

Better fuel consumption (although minimal)...apart from my 9.5mpg thread :embarassed:
Better round town in the awful traffic jams we get over here in the UK
Reversing up a steep incline doesn't fcuk your clutch up (I live on a city with hills everywhere!)

And the benefit of manual over DSG is?

Hmmm let me think.

1. It just feels normal
2. Something to keep your left leg from being skinnier than your right one.
3. Perfect starts everytime, if you know how.
4. Skip gears when and if its required.
5. Better economy (yes this is true simply because i say so!! and the fact that you can read the road ahead better than the car can)
6. Dont have to waste time explaining to people that its manual.. when you really know it isnt
7. no jerkiness below 10mph
8. no problems parking.
9. No need to switch between modes
10. No future problems.. or paddel problems

i got more if you want

You forgot torque limitation when remapping