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Offline Lagerlout

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #10 on: 18 September 2007, 09:40 »
OK thanks all for the info. I'm trying to make my mind up over the DSG vs Manual. I had an M3 CSL with SMG2 and that was superb at full chat changes and was quite brutal but was a bit painful around town. Don't get me wrong it wasn't bad, just a bit jerky if you weren't in the mood to feather it.

I'll be ordering an Ed30 probably end of this week, but when I get it, I will want to tune my car pretty much straight after I've run it in, not bothered about the warranty. Brakes, Remap, Turbo back system. 230hp is just not enough for me  :tongue:, but I need the practicality of five doors at the moment and just don't like any of the competition at that price level.

For the loss of a little bit of torque with the Oettinger mods, I'm thinking that DSG might be the go for the traffic conditions on our roads, even if it is a slightly boring choice! Only problem with that is that if I keep tuning it, the mods might not be worthwhile due to the DSG limitation.

What do you lot reckon??  Decisions, decisions.. :rolleyes:

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #11 on: 18 September 2007, 11:35 »
Lagerlout, the DSG really is the best of both worlds.  The word "compromise" doesn't even exist with the DSG.

Around town in "D" mode, the DSG really is silky smooth.  I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between a DSG and the very best epicyclic traditional auto boxes.  Even in "S" mode around town, the box still changes smoothly, although you might get a few heads turning, due to the higher revs the box holds before changing up.  When using manual mode, with either the sequential floor shift or the paddles, around town takes a little practice, but again, can be perfectly smooth.

Out on the open roads really is where the DSG trounces any other kind of gearbox.  You can be a lazy git and leave it in "D", and the shift pattern will "learn" and adapt to your driving style, though this isn't very rewarding!  "S" mode is much better for "making progress"  :wink: in the twisties, and when slowing for a corner, will change down considerably earlier, and hold the gear at higher revs whilst powering through the bends.

When using the full manual mode, the box will hold the selected gear without any automatic override, UNLESS the engine revs rise to the redline, or fall to near tick-over, when the appropriate up or down change will be carried out.  When you come to a stop, the box will still change down to 1 by itself.

Also, if you are in either of the auto modes ("D" or "S"), you can override this with the paddles and gain temporary manual control of the shifts, and as long as you use the paddles regularly, it will stay in manual mode.  If you then don't use the paddles for a short period, it will default back to the auto setting as selected by the floor shift lever.  Also, if you manually paddle down the gears for greater engine braking, and come to a dead stop, it will immediately revert to auto mode.  If you don't come to a stop, and wish to cancel the manual mode, pull and HOLD the right + paddle for about 2 seconds, and it goes back to auto.

DSG isn't boring, either.  Turn the stereo off, and listen to the "barp" sounds as it changes up at high revs, and then listen to the way it "blips" the throttle on downshifts.  If you are so inclined, you can play "tunes", buy maintaining a constant speed, but paddling up and down the box, and you can also wonder at the very intelligent "kickdown" function, which will self cancel if you immediately come back off the throttle.  :nerd:

So, just in case there is any doubt:

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #12 on: 18 September 2007, 11:47 »
If you are so inclined, you can play "tunes", buy maintaining a constant speed, but paddling up and down the box

Get James May to knock up a tune!!  :laugh: :laugh: could be the new Top Gear theme tune  :laugh:

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #13 on: 18 September 2007, 20:32 »
When your "giving it some" the up changes on the DSG are great. Just tap the paddle and your up a gear.

If anything there are too many ways to change gear. The DSG box does not compare to a slushmatic at all, so much better. ( The other hald has a C240 with a slush bog). No waiting for the engine to wind up and go. On a couple of occasions I have put my foot down in the Merc to pull out of a junction and I have forgotten I wasn't in the Golf. AAAAAAAHHHHHHH ............. :shocked: Not what you want.     

I took a fellow member of this forum for a "little" drive in my DSG and he commented that it changed gear better and faster than a friends M3 CSL with SMG.

I rest my case................. GO FOR IT..................
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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #14 on: 18 September 2007, 20:33 »

You certainly can use brake and accelerator together, but you need to know how to "defeat" the override.  This is the same on all "fly-by-wire" accelerator pedals, be they DSG, slushbox, or manual.

How do you defeat the override?
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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #15 on: 18 September 2007, 21:01 »
When your "giving it some" the up changes on the DSG are great. Just tap the paddle and your up a gear.

If anything there are too many ways to change gear. The DSG box does not compare to a slushmatic at all, so much better. ( The other hald has a C240 with a slush bog). No waiting for the engine to wind up and go. On a couple of occasions I have put my foot down in the Merc to pull out of a junction and I have forgotten I wasn't in the Golf. AAAAAAAHHHHHHH ............. :shocked: Not what you want.     

I took a fellow member of this forum for a "little" drive in my DSG and he commented that it changed gear better and faster than a friends M3 CSL with SMG.

I rest my case................. GO FOR IT..................

I would say that the DSG changes gear much, much more smoothly than a CSL thats for sure in manual or auto mode. Not sure if it is faster, with DSC off and M-sport enabled, the CSL with SMG2 absolutely slams the gear changes home, it's super brutal and sometimes felt the diff was about to be spat out the back it was that hard and fast. Ooeer. ;) Can't really compare them because one is a racer for the road and the other a hot hatch. I'd like to experience DSG on something with some serious grunt. Word is that the 997 Mk2 or the 998 will get a DSG box.. I'd like to see that in GT3 form!

The only problem I have with DSG, F1, SMG is that it does take away some control and for me some of the fun. I drive everywhere double-declutching my cars, just force of habit after owning some seriously old machinery, but that for me is part of the fun. Just because DSG is better and faster doesn't necessarily make it more fun in some peoples eyes. The best gearchange I've experienced is on my old Fezza, the pedal spacing is perfect, the engine revs very freely and you can double-declutch like an on/off switch. Now thats satisfying. In an every day car tho, I reckon you are right, DSG is the go. I think I'll be ordering mine with one shortly.

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #16 on: 18 September 2007, 21:11 »
Fezza? Sorry being a bit slow Firenza?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Firenza
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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #17 on: 18 September 2007, 21:18 »
Ah, no, Ferrari.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=63&t=380550&i=0

Selling it unfortunately, up in the PH classifieds. Going this Friday..  :cry: Never mind, just a car, lol.  :huh: Just don't have room for it at the moment, get back into something Italian later on. I love Italian cars, just we don't have a 4 door car in the entire family so ditching this and the 911 and get something sporty again in a couple of years when I've moved to somewhere with a bloody garage. Have to keep this in storage most of the time.

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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #18 on: 19 September 2007, 12:47 »

I'd like to experience DSG on something with some serious grunt. Word is that the 997 Mk2 or the 998 will get a DSG box.. I'd like to see that in GT3 form!



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How about the Bugatti Veyron?!  That comes with DSG - 7 Speed of course...  :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: DSG - grabbing?
« Reply #19 on: 19 September 2007, 13:01 »
Does it? Wow.

Mate sat in one and got to rev it up the other day. Utter b@stard didn't bother asking me over to look at it.  He said he was a bit shocked that the interior build quality "wasn't all that" :grin: , well not compared to the SLR he'd previously had a look around..  :rolleyes:

Some people have it difficult eh. He can't afford anything like that, just happens to work somewhere where these cars pass through. Lucky git.