2 late model 8v Mk2's - what to do????? Qualified adivce please

[Skid]

Hi All.

first of all - no offence to members, but I've spent 15+ years in the motor trade and I'm the first to say no man can know everything and I'm not afraid to ask, but I do want firm advice from long term Golf afficionado's, not wanna be's.

So, I have 2 late model 8v Mk2's.

No.1 is 5 door J plate run out model Schwarz black, rainbow interior PAS, etc etc with 170k. It is very original and un modified but needs I guess £1.5k to £2k spending on it for rebuilds, paint and some running gear work to make it spotless. The car has been mine for 7 years and has seen me through thick and thin. I'm therefore emotionally attached don't think I'm able to make a rational decision. I want the car to be a 'keeper' but the cost has to add up.


No.2 is recently purchased 3 door G plate '90 model (also digifant as above), schwarz black dodgy blue/gold on grey trim, no PAS, no central locking but only done 98k, has a good engine and recent clutch. I have no attachment to this one and wanting to do a VR6 or 20v conversion.

So....

How much would the 5dr 8v run out model be worth having renovated fully???

Would swapping in the 98k engine from the 3 door detract from the value of the 5 door by having a change in engine??? I'm thinking of the concept of the immaculate and original 5door being spoilt by an engine swap, even though identical model and type. Owners clubs (especially German ie Porsche) do their tits over things like this.

The recently purchased 3 door came with a spare set of BBS (RA's I think) as fitted to the run out model. How much are these worth if clean and tidy???

Also included in the purchase was some (believed due to hand painted notes) VR6 rear calipers. Are these a known upgrade for the Mk2??? Would it require bigger rear discs???

I'm confused as to the front hubs on both these cars. Are they the same as the 16v model? I'm looking at upgrading the 5 door brakes a bit if possible ( a light break from the un modified route) and serios whopping brakes for the 3 door, what's the best option here??? I know wheel size is a limiter but ignore that for now.

The matt black sticker finish on the rear hatch surrounding the window has come off under the jet wash, can these still be purchased and are they a bugger to fit???


That's it for now, though I'm sure I'll think of some more questions soon )

Thanks in advance for your help.
Mark

[dabill]

brakes - hubs are different on the 16v and 8v, if you want 256 or 280, you need to upgrade the hub to a 16v, then the gco carriers and calipers and discs just bolt straight up(280mm) this would be best option, many passats vr6, golfs vr6 and audi sports have the 280mm setup.
As for the vr6 rear brakes, not 100% sure.

the black vynl can stil be purchased. have a good look on ebay, definetely still on there, around 30bucks mark though...

the BBS ra rims, these got from anywhere from 150 - 300 dependant on hos well looked after they are! doesnt take too much effort, or cost mega amounts to have them looking spotless.

cost of the cars...look on pistonheads, on the classifieds section on this forum, and some others, decide how much effort your gonna put in and how mint you want it to be, then figure out the price, one persons idea of mint can be very diferent from anothers. £1600 would buy me a mint mk2 8v and thats a 1991. think i personally would struggle to spend more than that on a mk2.

hope this helps.

rob

[clipperjay]

Biggest expense is paint IMO you can pay 1K to 4K on a full respray depending who does it and what kind of a perfectionist you are?

Firstly I would decide if you should run one car and concentrate just on that, you will find that spending cash will decide for you in the end like most of us. Time and money?

Ar you motor trade mechanic +15yrs or just selling cars+ 15yrs?
 

Jay

[dabill]

either way im only 20 and been into vw's for about a year, and i knew the answers to some of the questions... experieice only counts if its relevant.

[Skid]

Thanks Guys,

Keep the advice coming though.

For your info I spent time in the Motor trade initially in finance and ended up running a number of Franchised Dealerships for big groups so experience in all areas, but as for getting my hands proper dirty, I have to do that at home in my own time. 

Anyway, any qualified thoughts on swapping engines effecting the originality of the 5 door?

Also : "you need to upgrade the hub to a 16v, then the gco carriers and calipers" GCO??? Sorry brain fade, what's that???... or was it meant ot be G60???

Yes I have done some research ie Pistonheads, but remember, what a seller 'thinks' his car is worth does not reflect it's true value. I'm interested in real world values of a 5door run out models in very good condition (but not concours).

Cheers
Thanks again and keep the info coming please please please.

Mark

[dabill]

yeah sorry, meant g60 although they will probs be girling 54 or 56 or whatever calipers they are... mine are from an audi 80 sport and they are lucas lol... as long as they are vag they will probbaly fit...

[stomper]

Thanks Guys,

Keep the advice coming though.

For your info I spent time in the Motor trade initially in finance and ended up running a number of Franchised Dealerships for big groups so experience in all areas, but as for getting my hands proper dirty, I have to do that at home in my own time. 

Anyway, any qualified thoughts on swapping engines effecting the originality of the 5 door?

Also : "you need to upgrade the hub to a 16v, then the gco carriers and calipers" GCO??? Sorry brain fade, what's that???... or was it meant ot be G60???

Yes I have done some research ie Pistonheads, but remember, what a seller 'thinks' his car is worth does not reflect it's true value. I'm interested in real world values of a 5door run out models in very good condition (but not concours).

Cheers
Thanks again and keep the info coming please please please.

Mark

Mark,

I bought a mint 3dr run out 16v with 120k on the clock in may for £2400.

It is mint though, interior looks like it's barely been sat in, engine pulls very well, gearchange is silky, all panels straight, no dings, no rust etc etc.

That was really top dollar.

Seeing as yours is a 5 door, 8v, 170k on the clock, max is going to be £1800-2000 i'd have thought if it's spotless.

Thats my opinion.

Oli

[Skid]

Ok thanks, as was thinking G60's would be a bastid to get hold of so interested in any equivelants in the VAG range.

So next question was there any difference in Mk2 16v hubs as I been offered some with 242mm discs?

Also correct me if I'm wrong are the G60 hubs same as the late model 16v's anyway?

[Skid]

Seeing as yours is a 5 door, 8v, 170k on the clock, max is going to be £1800-2000 i'd have thought if it's spotless.

Thats my opinion.

Oli

Thanks Oli, that makes sense.

So if I take the view that the 5 door in it's current state owes me zero, and that if I can get away with spending £1500 to £1800 to get a close to spotless car then it will stand me correctly and worth doing. If it's going to cost me over this then ..... sniff..... maybe the end is near..... sniff..... 

Oh the memories......     

[dabill]

the late 16v hubs were the same as the ones on the g60, but on the 16v they  had 256mm discs and obviously 280mm ont eh g60.

the early 16v hubs as you say had 242, these wont accept the 280mm discs as far as im aware, some one may correct me if im wrong, as i believe that they were the same hubs as the 8v. so the 8v hubs will accept 239 and 242mm discs and the late 16 hubs were 256 and 280mm...

again, some-one may disagree but im sure thats how it stands.

rob