Break-in controversy?

[TagnuT]

Nice to see TT is back 

Hurdy when did you become a mod?

I followed TT advice in breaking in my ED30 slowly building up the revs. No oil used what so ever!

Now does anyone know what oil they put in the engines at the time-distance service. I know that they use Castrol Edge for the Variable servicing. But with the output of thr ED30 I think I would be happier changing it every 10,000 miles. Did someone say that the new S3 is not on variable servicing?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Both articles are from the US.

The US "know-it-alls" are extremely well known for ignoring both manufacturers instructions, and commonly established practices.

It was afterall, the yanks who seriously gave VW Audi products a bad name, by fcuking up the 1.8 turbo engines.  They were specifcally told to only use fully synthetic oils (to the relevent VW standards), but to leave the oil for 10k miles between changes.  The yanks said, hell-no, I aint gonna keep my oil for that long.  Instead, they used cheapo shyte mineral oil from their local WalMart (or wherever), and thought by changing it every 2,500 miles, it would be 4 times better for the engine than leaving fully synth oil for 10k miles.  What they didn't get, is that mineral oil cannot cope with the extreme heat of turbo bearings, the oil very rapidly broke down, forming solid carbon deposits, which then blocked the oil pick-up strainers and oil filters - causing engine failures from oil starvation!

Now, if you think that US bolloc&s is sound advice, then follow it - but my personal recommendation would be to stick with the manufacturers instructions for running in, and use the correct oil too! 

And he is back! 

Damn, and I thought I could sneakily return without anyone noticing . . . 

No, I like the 0-300 = 2500, ... more, and that is what I will follow.
I wonder, is it good idea to change the oil after 1000-2000 miles? What do you think, TT?
P.S. Welcome back from holidays!

Thanks for the welcome.

Changing the oil after only 1 or 2k miles is pointless - as the engine still continues to "bed in" until anything upto 10k or even 15k miles!  Actually, the most bedding in wear will only start after the initial run in period, when you start using full throttle, and high engine loads - so max wear will probably be between about 1,500 miles, to maybe 4 or 5k miles.  I personally changed mine at 4.5k miles (halfway between what the SID had calculated), and am on the T&D regime, but still use the much higher spec LongLife oils,

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Here you are

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=58268.0

Hmm, I posted a table some where, but can't find it now!  OK, I'll repost it - do you want my RS4 one with the 8,250 rev limit ??  OK, thought not! 


    0   -    300   miles   up to   2,500 rpm   /    1/4   throttle
 300   -    600   miles   up to   3,500 rpm   /    1/2   throttle
 600   -    800   miles   up to   4,500 rpm   /    1/2   throttle
 800   -   1,000   miles   up to   5,500 rpm   /    3/4   throttle
1,000   -   1,200   miles   up to   6,500 rpm   /    3/4   throttle
1,200   -   onwards          max rpm     /    full   throttle


The most crucial thing when running in, is to vary the engine speeds within those thresholds, so for example, between 600 and 800 miles, don't religiously stick at 4,500 rpm for the whole 200 miles - vary it up to 4,500 rpm.

HTH

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Nice to see TT is back 

Ta.

Hurdy when did you become a mod?

Huh, I missed that - come on Hurdy, own up, how much, whos' nipples did you have to grease?? 

I followed TT advice in breaking in my ED30 slowly building up the revs. No oil used what so ever!

Good, so it works.  However, one you start to use sustained high revs and full throttle, keep an eye on your dipstick (don't rely on the computer to tell you when to top up).

Now does anyone know what oil they put in the engines at the time-distance service. I know that they use Castrol Edge for the Variable servicing. But with the output of thr ED30 I think I would be happier changing it every 10,000 miles. Did someone say that the new S3 is not on variable servicing?

OK, I'll repeat what I've mentioned before.  All VAG engines are factory filled with the pukka LongLife oil, even if they are exported to countries unable to use the LongLife regime.  Now, if you take your car to a VW stealer, and it is on T&D servicing, then they are likely to use the older 502.00 spec oil.  However, my advice would be to still use the better spec LongLife oil - either ask the stealer to fill it with LongLife oil, or better still, buy your own LongLife oil, and get them to use that (that is what I do).

Regarding the Variable/LongLife servicing, for some time now, VAG have "indicated" that it is not suitable for either high performance cars, nor if you drive in an "enthusiastic" manner.  On the 2007 model year brochures, VAG now confirm this, by specifically stating LongLife is not suitable if you go above 3,000rpm.

One final point, there are about five or six different "brews" of Castrol Edge - make sure you get the correct one - which meets the 504.00 spec.

[Hurdy]

Quote from: TagnuT on Today at 12:55
Hurdy when did you become a mod?

Huh, I missed that - come on Hurdy, own up, how much, whos' nipples did you have to grease?? 

They said I was the only one who could keep TT in check Only kidding.

JV asked me earlier this week

OOOOHHH the POWER!......errr....not much actually. Just get to keep an eye on all you fine upstanding pillars of the community

I also get to put my details in the moderators section for you all to have a laugh..err..look at

[p3eps]

Hmm, I posted a table some where, but can't find it now!  OK, I'll repost it - do you want my RS4 one with the 8,250 rev limit ??  OK, thought not! 

    0   -    300   miles   up to   2,500 rpm   /    1/4   throttle
 300   -    600   miles   up to   3,500 rpm   /    1/2   throttle
 600   -    800   miles   up to   4,500 rpm   /    1/2   throttle
 800   -   1,000   miles   up to   5,500 rpm   /    3/4   throttle
1,000   -   1,200   miles   up to   6,500 rpm   /    3/4   throttle
1,200   -   onwards          max rpm     /    full   throttle

I'll try and stick to this... but the 1/4 throttle may be a bit tricky!  What is the top RPM of a Golf anyway?  I'm sure it will be lower than my Integra was 
That says 1200 miles!  Thats an extra 200 I have to do before I can properly boot it 

[Dinky]

Hurdy..not to burst ya balloon.. but jv only usually asks the trouble makers or noisy lot to become mods in an attempt to shut them up..
welcome to my world chuck..

Dinx

[Hurdy]

Hurdy..not to burst ya balloon.. but jv only usually asks the trouble makers or noisy lot to become mods in an attempt to shut them up..
welcome to my world chuck..

Dinx

Calm me down....naaahh

Mind you....I wonder if that's how I got where I am in my career

[Stiggy]

I recently had the oil in my car topped up after 3600miles - dipstick was halfway between min and max, but (only?) used 500ml of the longlife stuff.  is that normal?

Also, dunno if anyone else has encountered this, but when i purchased the oil from vw, they didn't give me any of the castrol stuff - they gave this shell helix ultra....blah blah.....stuff but assured/guaranteed that the oil was compatible with the car.  They said they had problems getting the castrol juice and may not supply it in the future, replacing it with the shell juice.

[2007GTI]

I put exactly the same amount of oil in at 3800miles, although I got the correct 504.00 oil (check handbook) from Halfrauds.