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Offline cняis

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bloody car!!
« on: 23 April 2007, 18:25 »
Right... what a crappy weekend  :angry:

Had the 8v digi timing and CO done last week, but its still pinking when hot. The garage advised me (when i picked the car up) that the head was quite coked up, and could cause hotspots resulting in pinking. When I enquired about de-coking today I was advised against using chemicals (by a third party) to soften the carbon up as a lump may fall off and damage valves etc... As i dont have the tools to strip the head, the car needs to go back to the garage again. £Â£Ã‚£

Then i notice some drops of water on my left foot... guess what, either the heater matrix or a pipe has split, and im getting a puddle in the footwell, and constantly topping up water! £Â£Ã‚£

Also i have a replacement steering column which needs fitting, as the original has dry bearings causing lumpy steering when the car is warm... £Â£Ã‚£

oh the joy of owning an old car!!  :cry:

p.s. Anyone know why its leaking in the drivers side footwell (by the clutch pedal) and not the passengers side? I've search and search on here, and all I can find ref leaking matrixes are puddles in the passengers side. The passengers footwell and behind the centre console are bone dry. It has to be heater related as my coolant dropping like mad, and it was dripping through on a dry sunday
« Last Edit: 23 April 2007, 20:52 by Crevice »


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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #1 on: 23 April 2007, 20:23 »
its great aint it. i got my clutch done bout 2mths ago only to find out the main crankshaft oil seal is now leaking so its another gearbox out job!!

but sure its all part of the fun!

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« Reply #2 on: 23 April 2007, 23:03 »
The pinking could be caused by another couple of factors than were discussed before. Check you spark plugs are the correct ones, and that they are not worn. If the wrong ones are fitted, then they could be overheating causing pre-ignition followed by spontaneous combustion. If they are worn, then the electrodes cannot dissipate heat fast enough, which will also cause pre-ignition.

Another thing that I have read on the internet, but would not recomend unless you have a strong engine is to drive the car in second gear to red line for one minute. Keep an eye on your oil temp. It should go up slightly. This is supposed to burn off any coke build up. Again, I DO NOT RECOMEND YOU DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A STRONG ENGINE. Personally, I wouldn´t do it anyway, but its an idea.

If it is thought that coking may be the problem, then I have also heard that if you pour a small amount of brake fluid into the bores via the spark plug holes and leave it for a while, this will soften the deposits on the pistons, and allow them to burn off, although the engine will smoke for a few seconds or minutes whilst the fluid is being burned off. I have never tried this, but I can´t see it doing any harm.
But look at your spark plugs first.


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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #3 on: 23 April 2007, 23:38 »
under the scuttle, the clutch cable and accelerator come in through 2 holes there, is water getting under the tray and leaking down through there?
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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #4 on: 24 April 2007, 02:09 »
whats pinking? ive asked before but cant remember.
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« Reply #5 on: 24 April 2007, 03:12 »
Pre-ignition i think. The mixture ignites before the piston is in the correct position.

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« Reply #6 on: 24 April 2007, 05:34 »
whats pinking? ive asked before but cant remember.
Pinking is spontaneous combustion caused by pre-ignition, which itself is caused by excessive heat. The maximum pressure in the combustion chamber should be reached after TDC at the start of the power stroke. Causes for the excessive heat source could be a number of things.
Hot spots in the combustion chamber, ie spark plug electrodes, carbon deposits etc.
The wrong grade of fuel being used, ie 95 instead of 98. In old money, the higher the octane rating, the more TEL (tetra ethyle lead) was added to the fuel. Lead helps delay the onset of detonation, allowing higher compression ratios to be used, thus higher combustion temperatures. High altitude piston engined bombers of WWII used to use 130octane fuel with water injection. Lead has now been replaced by another substance which has escaped my memory.
Ignition timing being too far advanced, (pre-ignition effectively) causing the max pressure in the cylinders occuring before TDC rather than after.
Too lean a mixture. This is important as fuel is a volatile liquid, ie it gives itself up as a gas very readily. This is because it is cold, and it is the coldness of the fuel, and how much of it there is that detrmins how hot the combustion is. As said before, excessive heat leads to detonation. If you go the other way, and have a rich mixture, not all of the charge will be burned as there is not sufficient heat to burn it all. (Indicated by sooty black smoke from the exhaust. This is unburned fuel) Bear one thing in mind. The fuel is supplied to burn the oxygen to expand the nitrogen in the charge.
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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #7 on: 24 April 2007, 12:13 »
erm thanks my head is now very sore! how would you know if your car was pinking what would be different?
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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #8 on: 24 April 2007, 16:20 »
1. Pull the vacuum lead off the airbox, and submerge it in a jug of water and hold the throttle at about 2k rpm.  You should hear the engine bog down, if it seems like its about to stall take the pipe out of the water and let it clear.  Put a pint or so through, this will clean out all but the worst of the carbon deposits!

2. Wont be the heater matrix, the pipes to it are on the passenger side. Its more likly to be a water leak thru the bonnet release cable grommet or the windscreen!

3. Piece of piss, should take you about half an hour ;)
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Re: bloody car!!
« Reply #9 on: 24 April 2007, 20:54 »
1. Pull the vacuum lead off the airbox, and submerge it in a jug of water and hold the throttle at about 2k rpm.  You should hear the engine bog down, if it seems like its about to stall take the pipe out of the water and let it clear.  Put a pint or so through, this will clean out all but the worst of the carbon deposits!

2. Wont be the heater matrix, the pipes to it are on the passenger side. Its more likly to be a water leak thru the bonnet release cable grommet or the windscreen!

3. Piece of piss, should take you about half an hour ;)

1. This is definately worth a shot, thanks for the reply! :smiley: which lead is the vacuum lead though??
2. It was a hot day, it had not been raining at all and I had not put the washer jets on. Plus im losing coolant. maybe the water is travelling somehow across the inside of the car? I'm only doing 5 miles to work at the moment, so I'm low on coolant hence the leak has stopped.
3. this is being done tomorrow :)


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