Bluefin Edition 30

[Teutonic_Tamer]

i am with you on the remap curves. i have never thought about superchips maps, but after looking at the map and the product , iam seriosly considering it, especially as most tuning companies refuse to confirm the edition 30 is running the S3/ k04 turbo engine.

the curve looks good, the figures look good, the product is good (and switchable)

come on apr / revo / amd etc get crackin.

Perhaps the reason Superchips have a product out now, is maybe because it is underdeveloped, as was found out by the other chap, who eventually got a full refund.  I have personally experienced a previous Superchips product, which was uttely appauling, in terms of its development!

REVO, and the likes, are obviously developing, much more completely (bad english, but you get the gist!), and are only willing to release their own products after they are properly and fully developed and tested.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

i have just got the bluefin brochure and am really tempted, does anyone have anything good to say about bluefin. i really like the idea of being able to put the standard map back in when it goes in for a service.

REVO and APR also allow you to do this.  They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . 

In 6 months time, or so, the specialists will have a considerably better product than the Bluefin, and with a considerably better ongoing product support.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!

what do you mean by this, do you mean superchips is revo?

No - Superchips are a "jack of all trades, master of none" company who develop (loosely coined!) alternative ECU maps for a whole range of car manufacturers - including LADA (ffs)

REVO are nothing to do with Superchips - but are a completely independent company, with years of experience, and dedicate themselves soley to VAG brand cars.

[p3eps]

They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . 

Sounds good - do they worth the same as the Bluefin?  (Plug into the diagnostic port and reflash your ECU).  I like the idea of being able to do the upgrade myself without needing to take a day off work to visit a specialist!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . 

Sounds good - do they worth the same as the Bluefin?  (Plug into the diagnostic port and reflash your ECU).  I like the idea of being able to do the upgrade myself without needing to take a day off work to visit a specialist!

Every chip tuner on the Golf V (along with most modern cars which have flashable EPROM ECUs) just plugs into the diagnostic port.  They don't even need to open the bonnet to tune your engine!!!   

One problem with Bluefin and the likes, which allow the software to download onto your own PC, is that they can get corrupted with viruses and the like.  Indeed, a few years back, 888 racing, who ran the official Vauxhall team in the BTCC, had their own race cars ECU maps damaged in the same way.  At least when you go to a specialised dealer or reseller, the data link "should" be secure, and you can also put your car on the rolling road to individually tweak the map. 

[Organisys]

chaps, please have a look at morego / gti engineering

www.morego.co.uk
http://www.morego.co.uk/road_tests_item.php?road-test=2

[Teutonic_Tamer]

chaps, please have a look at morego / gti engineering

www.morego.co.uk
http://www.morego.co.uk/road_tests_item.php?road-test=2

Hmm . . .

Whilst the "headline" figures speak for themselves, this is another which I would be cautious about.  The company themselves are relatively young, their base experience is "racing 500bhp Sierra Cosworths", they are another jack of all trades (whilst you have your Ed30 in, you can have your 1991 Honda Civic, your 1989 LR Discovery, your "classic" Lotus Elan, or your 1993 Fiat Cinquecento all done too  ) - not exactly a company which dedicates itself to the VAG brand, nor one which seems to offer any knowledge of the FSI technology.

Looking at the road test from the quoted link, they also needed to fit their "power grip" suspension, to keep in pointing in the desired direction - you don't see REVO/Oettinger/MTM pushing "upgraded" suspension to cope with their chips!

[Organisys]

GTI Engineering have been doing Golf GTI tuning since the MK1 Golf. They have done some of the best engine tuning conversions ever for the Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs.

As for the suspension, the car is good as it stands, but their setup is a slightly more focused improvement, pretty sure they use Eibach springs and setup some negative camber on the front wheels.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

GTI Engineering have been doing Golf GTI tuning since the MK1 Golf. They have done some of the best engine tuning conversions ever for the Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs.

Two things hit me with that statement.

Firstly, the company name change - companies usually change their name to rid themselves of previous "bad" history, including previous warranty comittments.

Secondly - Mk1 and Mk2 - well - so what, big deal.  The 2.0T FSI engine has absolutely jack $h!t in common with the 30 year old Mk1.  All that proves, is a complete lack of consistency, dedication and ongoing support to the VAG brands.

Like I said earlier, morego seem to be a jack of all trades, and are merely jumping on the "GTI" bandwagon.

As for the suspension, the car is good as it stands, but their setup is a slightly more focused improvement, pretty sure they use Eibach springs and setup some negative camber on the front wheels.

Exactly - every single motoring press out there states just how good the standard GTI chassis is, so why the need for "uprating" the suspension - why didn't they offer just a chipped car to the press ??

[Organisys]

All I am saying is GTI Engineering have a good reputation based on past work.

As for the suspension, the mk5 has good ride handling compromise I am sure, doesn't mean you can't sharpen things up a bit, granted this won't be to everyones tastes, and ride will no doubt suffer. make the car too stiff from the factory and alot of people will complain the ride is not compliant enough.

Their suspension changes will no doubt remove some of the front end understeer and give the car a more neutral bias, as implied on their website, again this is not something that would be advise able straight from the factory. Understeer is safer for the driver with little or no on limit handling.

You pays your money, you takes your choice.