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A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« on: 29 January 2004, 12:31 »
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I am both a Veedub and TDi fan, but there is a project in the making that should silence the critics forever...

One of the reasons I am now driving a tuned Golf TDi is that a deal feel through  :( to buy the first diesel-engined sports car ever, the "Weasel"...( ??? err.. like Westfield and Diesel, get it  ;))

This was a sensation when it hit the road back in 1992: a bright red wide-bodied Westfield fitted with a 1.8 litre Ford turbo-diesel engine, tuned to 125bhp and 180lb ft of torque using the expertise of Richard Wilson. Plus a handy turbocharger and intercooler from a Sierra Cosworth  ;D All in a car lighter than an original mini, with a centre of gravity lower than an Oompa-Loompa... yeehaa!

Whilst 0-60 in 6 seconds and 60mpg was quite respectable, especially in 1992, it was the Ferrari Testarossa beating 30-70 time that nailed this oil-burners true colours to the mast.

So the deal fell through, but I did end up in contact with a guy building himself the next generation of Turbo Weasel, John. I blame him solely for my affiliation to the Mk3 Golf TDi. He has run his since new as an everyday car and trailer-puller. Racked up over 220k miles so far without a problem - no surprise for a well-maintained Veedub.

Except he is pushing out 190bhp from an original 90bhp engine, (albeit detuned to 150bhp for road use) yes this car does a lot of trackwork too. And he expects it to last a lot longer, which is why I am copying him  :)

But I digress, the interesting thing is what this guy is doing with a 130bhp PD TDi engine...

I believe he has it up to 220bhp, with enough torque to tow an oil tanker, and it will push another 50bhp with propane injection!

But he is not going to drop this into a heavy Golf. Like Diesel engines, Westfields have come a long way. So it will end up in a lightweight modern Westfield, setup to handle all that power. I would estimate around 470kg weight, so with 270bhp you do the maths!

If you have ever heard of the venerable fire-breathing Westfields fitted with 4.0 Rover V8 engines, they trounced everything in a straight line but with a heavy engine were understandably a hairy experience round the corners. Actually, you could drive them everyday without changing gear. 3rd was enough to pull off quick and break 100mph! Well, this TDi-powered Turbo Weasel will have much more power, tons more torque, and still be lighter and better balanced!

Added benefits: 60/70 MPG plus, rather than 20mpg from a V8 Westie (or dare I say it hard-driven VR6?  :P) particularly useful when you have a small tank or do track days. Seriously, don't know about you lot but in a crash I would rather have diesel than petrol leaking around me.

So, I think that is gonna be one car to hail up for the Veedub crowd when it's up and running. One for Westfield too, except many owners are vehemently anti-Diesel, the luddites!  ;D

Any thoughts guys?  ;)

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #1 on: 29 January 2004, 15:57 »
still makes the wrong noise  ;D
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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #2 on: 29 January 2004, 16:10 »
Sorry but Westfield are rubbish.

Their last single was pants and they're all poofs.

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #3 on: 29 January 2004, 16:11 »
yes agreed... that "CLATTER CLATTER CHUG CHUG" noise puts me off.. ive had a diesel... and NEVER AGAIN will I have one, until they irradicate that noise

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #4 on: 29 January 2004, 18:23 »
hmmm.... was that a pun on Westfield the group or did you mean something else by their last single?  ???

Westfield cars are synonymous with affordable supercar performance and the best of crazy British sports cars in the spirit of St. Colin Chapman. We rule the world in this arena! They will also thrash anything I have seen on these pages, and that's as a big VeeDubs fan.

As for the noise, if you decide to hate something you will!  :) Every great car has it's foibles, that's why people put up with constant faults and ?3k clutch services to drive a Ferrari. God knows Westfields and Sevens have practical limitations. Bear in mind that you only hear "clatter" at tickover. Tuned TDis rev higher than normal too.

Finally, if you are referring to crappy old diesels then ok, did you own a modern common-rail TDi? The modern PD variants in the Mk4 Golf are from a different planet to other diesel engines...
 
Of course, if noise was everything I'd swap the Golf for a Triumph TR6!  :P  Also I learned to drive on the 2.0 16v, neither that or the 8v is a terribly impressive noise as performance petrol engines go  :o I much preferred the old 5cylinders I've driven  :P

(VR6 owners you can sit more smugly through this discussion!)

By the way, have you ever heard a tuned FORD (yes Ford!) Crossflow or Zetec engine, on carbs, in a Seven or Westfield? Or a twin bike-engined car? Sat inches from the ground, exhaust at your elbow, racing smells - low flying they call it!

I suspect you would then think your Golfs sound pretty lame in comparison!

It's all a matter of taste  ;D

And driving...enjoy!
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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #5 on: 29 January 2004, 20:29 »
Even the modern common rail diesel engines sound like Massey Ferguson's. I've driven my father's 320d, yes it's torquey, but the stupidly narrow power band and the fact that a BMW really should rev past 4500 revs marred the experience somewhat. The engine sounds O.K (for a diesel), but the clatter at start up and when cold ruin the image somewhat, anyone who's heard a 6 cylinder 3 series fire up will know what they're missing.

Diesel engines are useful for commercial and people who view driving simply as a method of getting from A to B. I'm sorry, but the rest of us are quite happy with petrol thankyouvery much.
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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #6 on: 29 January 2004, 22:22 »
Diesel engines are useful for commercial and people who view driving simply as a method of getting from A to B. I'm sorry, but the rest of us are quite happy with petrol thankyouvery much.

Sorry mate, but I have to disagree. I have a PD 150 and i don't fall in to either of the catagories that you suggest.

Whilst my diesel may clatter on start up once you get it rolling in second it looses a lot of its diesel soundtrack. I do 35-40k miles a year, so believe me, if it sounded shi!t, it would be gone by now.

Besdies, the 8v engine in your golf isn't exactly a stunning aural masterpiece in itself either - just a bog basic 4 cylinder noise. The only people that can criticise the diesel noise without being hypocrites are V5 and VR6 owners, as they have the only decent sounding Golfs as standard.

Speaking for myself, I think the sound of my turbo whsitling more than compensates for the noisy idle.

Frankly, I can't see how you have the nerve to criticise the PD engines when they would humiliate your 8v, narrow power band or not - unless you are heavily modified, you would not see which way I went!!!!  ;D

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #7 on: 30 January 2004, 00:15 »
Does that mean i can say diesels are crap?  :-*

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #8 on: 30 January 2004, 07:15 »
It certainly means that you can say your VR6 sounds a hell of a lot better - I'm the first to admit that a V6 sounds awesome, especially when being thrashed to within an inch of its life, yes!

Still doesn't mean diesels are crap though!  ;D

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Re:A TDi to trash all petrol Golfs on earth!?!?!
« Reply #9 on: 30 January 2004, 13:35 »
When did VW produce the first PD?