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Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« on: 21 February 2007, 09:16 »
The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" has now closed. This is a response from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.


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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #1 on: 21 February 2007, 09:16 »
A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Blair

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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #2 on: 21 February 2007, 09:27 »
If Congestion is so bad for business, Why take it out on the business man whos trying to get into london to Work in the first place? Thats like killing the dog because your running out of Dog food. You will have plenty of dog food afterwards, but nothing todo with it.

I drive 15minites to work at rush hour, Not becasuse i want too, But becuase if i dont, i wont get to work in time, and get fired.

And whats with the whole "Italy blah blah blah" are doing it. Well thats hardly an excuse. "Sorry i killed that man your honer, But harrald shipman did it so i thought i might too"?

10 Years until it comes into play, well heres an idea. Vote in a political party that wont do it.

hahahaha fielders a c**k. sorry but he is just a tit. What a waste of forum space for that moron.


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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #3 on: 21 February 2007, 09:53 »
I think they have realised that it can be used as a "Big Brother" tool and therefore will fall foul of Human Rights Laws.

I see that as a climbdown. A Minister was on the News last night and he was saying it wouldnt be after the next general election, but either after the next or even the election after that! so 12 plus years from now.
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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #4 on: 21 February 2007, 12:28 »
Whatever, the conservatives will prob scrap it anyway.

... it's turned into a fashion show for poofters.

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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #5 on: 21 February 2007, 12:39 »
Always supported Labour when I was naive and younger - born in 1975 so had the misfortune to grow up under Thatcher and that other guy who came after her... however, the Iraq war and these stealth taxes are really beginning to p155 me off - I mean they may as well get rid of these taxes and bring in 1970's Labour style income tax rises which would have the same effect - might even make us better off!
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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #6 on: 21 February 2007, 12:40 »
i can't be arsed to read thah but my guess is it says...

" drop 'em and get your wallet out cos you're getting fooked and paying for it".

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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #7 on: 21 February 2007, 12:57 »
Believe me they are both as bad as one another!
The Tories would definitely gone to war with the Americans!

The real danger is that they have pumped a lot of money into the road based hardware for this system that it will be a big temptation for any party to use it!
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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #8 on: 21 February 2007, 13:17 »
Believe me they are both as bad as one another!
The Tories would definitely gone to war with the Americans!

The real danger is that they have pumped a lot of money into the road based hardware for this system that it will be a big temptation for any party to use it!

Yes you're right about the iraq war, but at least they wouldn't be taxing us through the back-door... and ok the NHS might not have survived but then just be careful not to get ill or hurt  :grin:
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Re: Tony B'LIAR's response to road charging
« Reply #9 on: 21 February 2007, 19:16 »
We already do pay road tax by the mile Have you seen the price of fuel? also the money raised will go back into public transport as this is the real reason traffic is increasing because it's sh!te, dirty, unreliable and as good as useless so people use their cars, or another war, instead of making the roads better, maybe if the roads were better people wouldn't mind so much.

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