Edition 30 GTI Engine?

[illyun]

all the 30 hp is a remap of the ecu, same turbo , same pistons, cylinder head and valves, enquired at the parts desk at vw, so we came to conclusion, 230hp ed 30 is expensive re-map and expensive painted skirts, nothing that cant be adjusted with normal gti, and also was told expect to see standard GTI's coming out as standard at 230 bhp.

No disrespect to those that may work at VW parts desks - or dealers for that matter - but they mostly haven't a clue about the cars they are selling.  I have seen a post - on this forum - that shows the part numbers for the turbos on the S3 and GTI ED30 and they are the same, which means that the internals are NOT the same on the GTI and the ED30.

[Phil mcavity]

It is the same engine illyan, its been tweaked thats all, one thing i didnt check was whether it has a higher lift cams on the camshaft, which would induce more air/fuel.I expect they have tweaked the air induction side of the things, cus the air box on the GTI  is a poor design, maybe larger incooler,and remap of the ecu. that same engine has been tweaked before by other car makers ie audi producing more horsepower the vw's effort. theres NO major changes like you say in your post between both models.   Its a shame there isnt, you'd expect more for a limited edition, i cant see residuals making too much difference later , as whats proposed the standard GTI will have 230hp as STANDARD  later in the year, before the arrival of the MK 6

[bmx]

all the 30 hp is a remap of the ecu, same turbo , same pistons, cylinder head and valves, enquired at the parts desk at vw, so we came to conclusion, 230hp ed 30 is expensive re-map and expensive painted skirts, nothing that cant be adjusted with normal gti, and also was told expect to see standard GTI's coming out as standard at 230 bhp.

what a load of BS

how did you enquire at the parts desk? did you look through etka and cross ref the numbers?

[Simonet]

So.... we're not really getting anywhere here guys are we?

I guess until someone proves that the engine has / hasn't got improved parts the debate about the edition 30 will go on. It does seem a little odd how most GTI owners say the E30 isn't worth it's money and that the standard car is too much money to begin with but the simple fact is...

If you want a NEW car then you cannot get a better deal than the E30.

As stated many times on here, to add the the leather option to the standard car takes it into the same price bracket as the E30, however you don't have the other features and it WILL be worth slightly more in years to come.

However the main part for me was the increase in BHP, 30 BHP is 30 BHP and with the rest of the package (even the wheels!) it's a good deal.

Golf stands for quality in my book, and even my 130,000 mk3 GTI has been fantastic, and most people slate that!! The Golf GTI is a fantastic car all round car... the E30 just adds that bit more.

[bmx]

i have seen the etka page with my own mincers, it is definately the same turbo block etc as the s3 and seat leon cupra, how many times. 

check out the pipe on the side of the engine cover, that is from the  recirculating valve, on a k04 turbo car this valve is fitted round the front of the engine seperate from the turbo. hence the pipe going from the front back to the intake pipe.



on a k03 turbo, the valve is actually fitted onto the turbo, so no pipe.




also check the torque figures k03 torque max at 1800 revs, k04 torque max at 2200 revs

etka part numbers below

195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145 702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (edition 30) 06F 145 702 C KKK

Block and internals:

BHZ (S3) 06F 100 035
BYD (edition 30 ) 06F 100 035

[Simonet]

Thanks for the hard work BMX, I'm glad that that's cleared up now!

so...  WHEN'S MY CAR COMING!!

I hope this clears things up for everyone!

[meeker]

Respect to BMX

[DAZ$TAR]

'spect bro

 

Daz

[Hurdy]

Phil Mcavity,

You seem to have gone a bit quiet!

Are you sticking with your version of the Ed30 engine or do you now, finally, absolutely, ultimately agree with BMX that it is not just "an expensive re-map?

[illyun]

Yummy yummy - I can't wait 

VW are so strange not marketing that fact but its like the different engines on the Mk4 1.8T that had different internals with each different engine code - I think the earlier ones had the stronger internals and the later ones were easier to re-map or something like that.